Weekend blog special edition: The Palin-Biden debate: Few gaffes, fake smiles and fighting for the ‘change’ mantle 07:08 Fri 03 Oct 2008 - Clive Leviev-Sawyer Sarah Palin and Joe Biden together proved one thing – that modern-day television debates are less debates in the classical sense than like watching rival infomercials attempt to occupy the same space on the small screen and destroy each other.
Ahead of the October 2 debate, everyone knew the pitfalls facing each candidate, not least the candidates themselves. From Palin, many have expected a Thursday Night Live succession of own goals as her lack of grasp of issues, notably on foreign policy, would mean an inevitable set of pratfalls destined for YouTube. Biden, media reports said before the debate, should be careful not to patronise Palin.
A danger was that Palin would sound coached, and she did not entirely evade it. Stock phrases like “greed and corruption on Wall Street” turned up at intervals about four times. She snatched for the mantle of Ronald Reagan by invoking one of the Gipper’s own television debate phrases, smilingly telling Biden: “There you again, looking backwards again”. Most of all, Palin grabbed for the “change” mantle that once had been the hallmark of the Barack Obama campaign, hammering out the message that John McCain is a maverick, that a McCain White House would be team of mavericks, while in what was anticipated to be a battle for the middle class, Palin was careful to be proud about claiming to be batting for “Joe Six-Pack and Soccer Moms”.
In a fast-paced debate, with moderator Gwen Ifill pitching out short, sharp and very clever questions, it was inevitable that in 90 minutes there would be some stumbles. Palin could be forgiven for getting one or two things backwards. The “toxic mess on Main Street that affects Wall Street” is a reverse of reality, and similarly she said that she was “not the one to attribute the activities of man to the climate” when surely she meant the opposite, that she does not blame climate change solely on human activities.
Some Palin soundbites abandoned all subtlety, but after all no doubt she unspokenly shared the view of Biden that this election “is the most important in your lifetime” as he repeatedly told viewers. “It’s so obvious I’m a Washington outsider,” Palin told Biden, as an overture to accusing him of reversing his positions on issues, throwing in how astonishing it was that this was how “you guys” worked.
Her messages about McCain the maverick and his band of fellow-mavericks came close to sounding like it meant that a Republican victory on November 4 would be tantamount to a bunch of 1960s long-hairs occupying the college dean’s office.
On the body language front, Biden and Palin undoubtedly had been coached about McCain’s mistake in his first debate with Obama in which McCain cast nary a glance at his opponent. The two vice-presidential candidates rarely failed to turn to watch each other during speaking turns. Palin and Biden both had crocodile smiles to deploy, although for my money, Palin’s was the more eerie, often suggesting sneering or smirking at Biden. He had been warned not to be condescending, but more than once, Palin came across just that way. As to the flag pin question, Palin may have won the game of tic-tac-toe. Her flag pin was bigger than Biden’s, and appeared to be gilt-edged.
The opening questions on domestic policy were a happy hunting ground for the two to accuse each other and their principals of being ready to soak the middle class, to raise taxes and of contradicting themselves. Palin clearly had been briefed to continue the damage control about McCain’s successive and mutually contradictory statements about the economy. For Biden, the message was, time and again, that McCain was “out of touch” on the economy. Twice Biden pushed out his selling point that Obama had warned two years ago about the sub-prime mortgage crisis, while for McCain, Biden insisted, it had come as a surprise.
Palin countered that the “team of mavericks” of which she was a member reflected middle America’s view that “we’re tired of the old politics as usual”. “We need to send the maverick to the White House,” Palin said. It was her opener for scathing remarks about “predator lenders” and her first of those several references to “greed and corruption on Wall Street”. Followed up with a homely homily about households themselves needing to remember, as mom and dad no doubt had taught them, she said, “we need to not get ourselves into debt”.
In a debate of this kind, it is inevitable that some questions will not be answered, and the fudging that started in the Obama-McCain debate on the implications for election promises from the financial crisis continued with Biden and Palin. Asked what plans of theirs could not go ahead because of the, ahem, changed financial circumstances, Biden spoke only about what a McCain administration would not be able to do. It sounded almost as if he expected McCain to be sworn in on January 20 next year. Palin evaded the question by talking about what she had done in Alaska, and when pressed by Ifill about what promises she would have to backtrack on, Palin said that she had been in the campaign only since September 4 and had not made many.
Ifill’s question about benefits for people in same-sex relationships saw both vice-presidential candidates pirouetting carefully on the fence, however firm each tried to sound. Biden invoked the constitution to say that same-sex couples in committed relationships should have equal rights before the law, carefully – for conservative undecided voters – apparently trying not to sound frighteningly liberal, while Palin tried to give a similar answer while carefully – given her right-wing background – trying to imply that she was not homophobic. “I am tolerant,” Palin said, in case anyone missed the point. Neither wanted marriage redefined as meaning anything but a union between a man and a woman.
Ahead of the debate, some commentators had cautioned that Ifill should not overload the debate with foreign policy questions, lest she be open to accusations of favouring Biden, chairperson of the senate committee on foreign relations. For all that, a rough glance of notes of the debate shows Biden’s answers as boasting better detail and substance, and this phase of the debate conjured up images of Palin sitting in McCain’s ranch being coached on the issues. Essentially, the exchange on Iraq and Afghanistan was a repeat of the McCain-Obama exchanges on the same topics, if a little bit more vicious. Biden’s support for a drawdown in Iraq was, Palin said, “raising a white flag” in that country. Palin repeated the Republican portrayal of Obama as willing to negotiate with Iran, North Korea et al unconditionally as “dangerous”.
Biden’s assertion of his consistent track record of having been right on foreign policy issues from Iraq to Bosnia and in between, while scathingly condemning the Bush administration’s track record in the Middle East as an abject failure opened the way for Palin to accuse him of talking only about the past. “The past is prologue,” responded Biden, saying that there was no evidence that McCain’s policies would differ from those of Bush.
In all, for all the scarcely concealed aggression and the forced amicability, the caution in the one and only debate, with the stakes so high, made both Palin and Biden risk-averse, and thus every soundbite sounded rehearsed. There were a few good ones.
Biden: “The reason ‘No Child Left Behind' was left behind was because the money was left behind, we didn’t find it”.
Biden (on the implications of the McCain health insurance plan): “I call that the ultimate bridge to nowhere” (a reference to a controversy in Alaska governor Palin’s home state).
Palin (on energy independence of the US): “The chant is, ‘drill, baby, drill’”.
Palin (addressing Biden, on the Middle East): “I am encouraged to know we both love Israel”.
Biden (when Ifill asked him if he had any Achilles Heel other than his lack of political discipline): “You’re very kind suggesting my only Achilles Heel is a lack of discipline”.
Palin (concluding remarks): “I like to be able to answer the tough questions without the filter of the mainstream media”.
And, in many ways, that was what this television spectacle was about. Hyped up by Palin’s gaffes and lacunae on questions of foreign policy, by her generous role in providing hilarious material for posting on YouTube, and further hyped by the fact that Biden has been reliably unreliable over the years, at least part of the television audience may have been tuned in in the hope of a Palin horror show, a reinforcement of the call from some Republicans that she withdraw on the grounds of being an embarrassment.
Pundits are already chattering about who, if anyone, won the debate. On the gaffe front, at least Palin did not lose it. She at least showed the mental capacity to come out with the material she had been coached about. All eyes were going to be on her anyway, if only for entertainment value, but Biden was too defensive – bad for a ticket promising change – and his answers on apparent contradictions in the past insufficiently definitive, especially for those viewers unlikely to fact-check the candidates’ respective claims later. One remarkable thing was Biden seemingly choking up when talking about his family during his concluding remarks, and his telling swipe against Palin, the self-described “soccer mom” for implying that because he was a man, he was less qualified to talk about being a parent.
It is doubtful that the election was won or lost in the Biden-Palin debate. Now, on October 7 and 15, Obama and McCain will have their chances to strike the killer blow that never fell on October 2. 
Comments
Comments by Amber - 08:10 03 Oct 2008 |  | Way to go Joe!
Did you watch the VP debate?? Joe Biden was the clear winner if you are judging by substance. Some may think Palin won on likeability but she was completely vacuous!
Biden obviously knows what he is talking about, especially when it comes to foreign affairs and I for one, find him likeable! Palin constantly veered off topic and the answers she gave lacked any meaningful content. She gave lots of repetitive one-liners but no real answers.
These two were a stark contrast. Biden showed that an executive can be down to Earth and remain composed while speaking intelligently! The American people don't need any more baby talk/Bush talk/straight talk...whatever you want to call it. We need to hear the facts and real solutions not more vacuous sound bites and empty promises!
Good Job Joe! You Rocked it Tonight!
|  | Comments by Rusty - 08:22 03 Oct 2008 |  | I caught the last hour of the debate and I was really glad that I had the opportunity to see the Vps debate and really solidify my level of comfort with the second in line...and it did...go Biden! I really did think that Palin did a better job then expected (but that is only because her own party set expectations so low, that any joe shmoe could have down better then the expectations set for her. Its sad. I teach high school and I am always telling my students to set high expectations...and then we look at the national stage and we have a President and VP ticket setting very LOW expectations..good role modeling!)...but Joe Biden really spoke to me and related to me. I grew up in a small rural town in Idaho, went to college in Utah (all very conservative areas, and am beginning my professional career and he related more to me. Paline, first of all doesnt seem very sincere to me...too thought out, too planned, very robotic...and Biden seemed more natural. Second, I couldn't help but analyze the break down of each two minute segment they were allowed. Palin would take a good 30 seconds to introduce her main ideas, beat around the bush...30 seconds before she started talking about the issues...that gives her only a good minute, give or take, to really talk about anything. Its not hard for someone with very limited knowledge to fill just a minute of information. Biden would introduce his main ideas in a matter of seconds, allowing him to really layout his supporting details. If I were an English teacher, Palin's thesis would need some real work. A thesis needs to be direct and to the point, not long and drawn out, and in her case often longer then her supporting details. Finally, I had a pretty good idea I was set on the Obama/Biden ticket prior to this debate, and seeing what I saw, and seeing the strengths and weakenness of each number two pick, I have solidified my vote! Biden is the person to be number two, and Obama is no doubt a brilliant man for chosing him. Cheers Obama! |  | Comments by Jed - 08:39 03 Oct 2008 |  | It was inevitable that Palin would do as good as she did, given all the media attention on her gaffes for last week or so. But to assume on that , that she is anywhere near becoming President is plain moronic.
But thats what we will get in the end of day. Did we miss that she had no answer, none, nada, zilch which was not actually recited ? Then the rambling, asked on housing issues she went into energy, on Darfur probably again energy, mostly parroting the lines.. Can you believe she just said she agreed with Dick in extending her powers as VP ? and all that folksy stuff.. Some of you think "she is so like me, thats the american dream, where anyone can become what he want" Well here is surprise : If you are as dimwitted as Palin you ought not become the President of this country. Anyone can be aspiring to get to highest position, that applies to Obama who has struggled to get where he is not Palin who was handpicked to just appease Women and catholic base.. ( btw did you notice she supports gay rights and oh my god.... HAS A GAY FRIEND!!) |  | Comments by Ian Broggy - 08:45 03 Oct 2008 |  | Everyone I know was expecting Palin to spew more nonsense, apparently even Palin herself- It seemed clear to me that she had studied herself into a numb minded state, answering questions in a way to make it painfully obvious that her handlers had taken no chances- Possibly propping her eyelids open ala clockwork orange to prepare her for another rare public Q and A. Still, not enough work done- She looked at her notes the whole way through, and although it's comforting to know that while she apparently doesn't read about things like supreme court decisions, she does have the ability. Also, was it just me, or can she not say the word "Nuclear" either? Perhaps "Nucular" weapons are something the terror loving terrorists are closer to getting their hands on. Maybe the first thing on the republicans' agenda should be to teach their foremost politicians how to pronounce the word. |  | Comments by bobbi - 09:55 03 Oct 2008 |  | I came to your site hoping as a journalist that you would give an unbiased view of the debate. As a journalism major, I am disappointed. I left the field due to the liberal slight. Everyone questions Palin's experience she is not running for president yet she has the same experience as obama.. Oh correct myself, like Bill Clinton..... she is only a governor. Obama 177 days as a senator most of which he has been running for president.
Seriously, At what point and time do we discuss Biden's sons that under investigation Obama's history with the bailout and the 20 million plus that he profited? I am all about living by your record but seriously Obama doesn't even have one! |  | Comments by Jarrett - 10:26 03 Oct 2008 |  | I usually hold my responses and try to work out either side of a debate by applying devil's advocate rationale on the meat of what each says (not the fat). I also try my best to keep my opinions and views of anyone in a debate as being "conservative" or "liberal" (or applying pessimism to either of those labels)... but I'm going to open my mouth! Biden, when you boiled everything down, took both socially liberal and fiscally conservative positions, which I had expectations he would, and ultimately I was satisfied with him. Sigh, Palin made me feel a bit worried however. It's clear that Biden was fully himself, but Palin seemed like she was unfairly thrown through flash card sessions before she went on stage. I don't believe she's a monster, in fact she seems very charming, and I'm sure if left unfiltered, she would've performed ALOT better. It really bothers me how obviously the McCain camp has turned her into a Stepford running mate, and by doing so, may have caused irreparable damage to her public perception and political future. |  | Comments by Sue - 10:29 03 Oct 2008 |  | Really, Rusty? A high school teacher? Perhaps you should reevaluate the expectations you have for yourself and improve your communication skills, you may then be able to write a cohesive, error-free commentary on the VP debate rather than a mistake-laden rant lacking in substance and proper grammar. And in regard to instilling values and good work ethic in our students, let us teach them about taking responsibility rather than placing blame. Perhaps we should use Senator Biden as a negative example for the lesson. |  | Comments by Andy Cencula - 10:33 03 Oct 2008 |  | I am completely stunned by the public perception of this debate. I thought the American public was more politically aware than they deserved. I only say this in reference to complete ignorance to the actual outcome of the debate. I viewed the confrontation with my Republican friends and they said that Palin was an utter embarrassment. Biden ran circles around her in almost every topic. Analysts are morons for believing this as a draw Biden was the clear victor. |  | Comments by beingajoe - 12:08 03 Oct 2008 |  | I agree that Biden won. It is obvious that he much more well versed and can speak from a depth of knowledge and is not restricted to talking points.
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Clearly, Biden came off confident and informed.
I'm not sure exactly what both of them were smiling/smirking for while the other was speaking.... Biden restraining himself from laughing, Palin from crying.
|  | Comments by Fagan - 13:04 03 Oct 2008 |  | Palin this woman is not only irritating , annoying but seriously very dangerous !! Do Americans really take her seriously ??? She needs to live overseas in the real world for a lifetime before she should be allowed any where near the presidents office . GOD help the world if we had to have her lead the USA. We do not need a hockey mom we need great leadership !! |  | |  | I think that if Palin would give up her acting career (trying so hard to be a "heck of a " good girl) she might actually have a better chance, her bullshit can only last so long and time is about up!! |  | Comments by Ehsaan Moosa - 14:19 03 Oct 2008 |  | If it takes a week to "coach" Palin for a debate, then is should be scary to think how long it would take her to make decisions when she's in the White House? |  | Comments by jsmith - 15:44 03 Oct 2008 |  | Gosh, no one can be VP if the people on “Meet the Press” don’t approve! /sarc off.
Quite obviously, Palin hit it out of the park last night. The “past is prologue” bit is fine when you’re criticizing someone based on their own past, like when she hammered on Obama and Biden’s respective records in the Senate, and their prior comments in the Dem debates. But George W. Bush’s past doesn’t tell us much about a McCain-Palin administration.
And the classic line of the night: "Senator, your plan for Iraq is a white flag of surrender."
Ouch.
|  | Comments by Marlene - 15:46 03 Oct 2008 |  | I am waiting to see this fact in coverage of last night's debate: Nobody has mentioned that Sarah Palin still doesn't know the difference between the Shiites and the Sunnis in Iraq. From the transcript, "We cannot afford to lose against al Qaeda and the Shia extremists who are still there..." [from the CNN transcript online]
In truth, the al Qaeda network led by Osama bin Laden is comprehensively Sunni and subscribes to a form of Sunni Islam known for not tolerating theological deviation. In fact, U.S. officials blame al Qaeda's former leader in Iraq, the late Abu Musab al Zarqawi, for the surge in sectarian violence between Sunnis and Shiites. I double checked this on Reuters just to make sure I wasn't making any error. |  | Comments by Renee - 16:37 03 Oct 2008 |  | We need REAL LEADERS, NOT DITZY CHEERLEADERS. |  | Comments by Lauren - 16:39 03 Oct 2008 |  | Enough of this scary soccer Mom. Can anyone seriously tell me that they want her as a front person for the United States? She has the brains of a prawn.
|  | Comments by Beth Smart - 16:46 03 Oct 2008 |  | Biden was the clear winner of last night's debate. He was well versed on the issues and spoke confidently. In comparison, Palin avoided topics and relied on "cuteness" and corny sayings to get her by and distract the public from the fact that she's clueless about many topics critical to the success of our country. As a female myself, I hope that one day soon we do have a female in the White House in the role of President or V.P. - but NOT this election...not when the choice is Palin as V.P. She doesn’t have what it takes to be V.P. The mere thought of Palin being 2nd in command is frightening; she's the political equivalent of Betty Boop. Well, I pray that Americans will not be so distracted by high-pitched vocals, a wink & a smile, that they miss her severe inexperience and lack of sophistication.
|  | Comments by Liz Crawley - 16:49 03 Oct 2008 |  | I know a man in his late 70's who has had multiple heart attacks, lost sight in one of his eyes, has two false knees, and recently climbed under a PARTA Bus to fix it when it broke down infront of his house. The bus fell on the man and caused severe third degree burns to his stomach and side. The man is still stronger than me and works hard every day. I'm only 27 years old and couldn't do the work he does. I don't know what if anything will kill him. He's not the only man I know with a determination to live. I believe the likelyhood that Senator Obama will be assassinated is just about as good as the chance of McCain passing away during the next four years. There is enough protection around Obama with that very thought in mind that I don't think he'll be harmed. If elected, I highly doubt Palin will ever become the President. But if she did, she could rely on a strong intelligent staff to support her. Obama has already admitted during the first debate that he doesn't have to know anything about foreign affairs because Biden will take care of it for him. So why would Palin have to know when McCain will take care of it because he will actually be the President? She'll be just as effective, if not more than any other VP before her. |  | Comments by Mark - 17:07 03 Oct 2008 |  | Given Palin's performance during this debate, it almost seems like she tanked the CBS interview to help create low expectation of her performance during the debate. |  | Comments by Michael Piety - 17:19 03 Oct 2008 |  | The Vice Presidential debate did not disappoint. It lived up to the hype for the most part. Everybody watched on pins and needles to see if Sarah Palin would screw up or that Joe Biden would make one of his famous gaffes. The mainstream media is still dogging her undeservedly. They are also giving JB a gaffe pass. He did make a gaffe during the debate. Aside from the stretching of the truth that took place on both sides, Joe did some double speaking that seems to pervade their campaign; Saying one thing to one audience and another to a different one. Gwen Ifil asked; “who is a bigger threat a nuclear Iran or an unstable Pakistan?” Joe responded by naming Pakistan as the bigger threat. He went on to say; “ [Iran] is not close to getting a nuclear weapon that is able to be deployed.” Two questions later Ms Ifil asked about solutions for Israel. Joe goes on to say the no one is a better friend to Israel and that the Bush policy is an abject failure. He then said “speaking of freedom being on the march, the only thing on the march is Iran, its closer to a bomb…” Those are direct quotes. If you don’t believe it get a copy of the debate transcript and see for your self. Call it a gaffe or call it double speak. I call it pandering. |  | Comments by Dave Falllis - 17:46 03 Oct 2008 |  | I have read the comments on the debate and most of you must have been watching a different debate. Sarah Palin was amazing and represented American ideals and the American dream. We are not a socialist, populist society and never intend to become one. |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 17:52 03 Oct 2008 |  | "Ditzy", "Brains of a Prawn" ??
You do not know anything about Sarah Palin or her accomplishments. Your ignorance is shameful. |  | Comments by JCM - 17:53 03 Oct 2008 |  | Why is it ok if Palin winks at everything and if a male did it it would been seen as sexual harrsement? |  | Comments by C. Simon - 18:01 03 Oct 2008 |  | A high school debate team captain or a talented actress after a solid week of intense coaching could have done what Sarah Palin did last night. Another way of looking at it is: had it been a dog show she would have taken first place for personality and shiniest coat.
Obama/Biden 08 |  | Comments by Collette - 18:04 03 Oct 2008 |  | I Love Joe Biden! Sarah Palin did redeem herself by coming in second. Talk about sexism, if Joe had talked to Palin the way that Sarah sniped at Joe, He'd be toast. Joe had a tough job. Palin came across like a pageant contestent with the head tilts and winks. Sarah's lucky that the expectations (given her recent displays of terrifying ignorance) were so low that by not talking in unfinished sentences leading to nothing, she did much better than expected. For many reasons (my children and grandchildren) I hope that Palin stays far from the presidency. I think that Palin's beautiful newborn son deserves and needs the full attention of his mom way more than a fragile America needs Sarah Palin. |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 18:17 03 Oct 2008 |  | I have to say, anyone who thought Palin was good last night, or anyone who thinks a McCain Palin administration would be good for the US is severely lacking in any critical thinking ability. Tell me, what do you think is so good about her? She says nothing except advertising slogans. Woo Hoo!! Let's vote for the because they say "America First" and "We are mavericks!" What a joke. I WAS watching the same debate as you were last night, and Palin was an imbecile. Name one single plan of action that she, or McCain for that matter, has outlined or explained. You can't. Because they don't. Just saying, "We'll bring government back to the people..." is not a plan. How?! How are they going to bring it back. The whole McCain platform seem to me like a football coach hiding his playbook in case the opposing team tries to steal his plays. I don't want to hear, "Trust me, we can do it if you elect us." I want to hear, "This is how we are going to do it if you elect us." No one seems to be talking about the fact that neither of them says anything except pep ralley exposition. I didn't even like it when I was in school. I certainly don't want it running my country. |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 18:24 03 Oct 2008 |  | Talk about sexism. Your comment "I think that Palin's beautiful newborn son deserves and needs the full attention of his mom way more than a fragile America needs Sarah Palin"
Fragile America?
I have nothing against Joe Biden other than it is a toss up who the most liberal person in the Senate is, Biden or Obama.
America is the most powerful country in the world and we hold steadfast to our ideals. I will write no more on this site, but before you make absurd comments, you should educate yourself. |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 18:33 03 Oct 2008 |  | Dave Fallis... why would you write no more on this site? You sound like you have so much conviction, yet you do not offer any information to back up your testimony. What is YOUR education, since you seem to call others ingnorant. What do YOU know about Sarah Palin and her accomplishments that isn't available to everyone else in the news. What is it that you support in the McCain-Palin campaign that is more than slogans and cheerleading. Without getting defensive, or offensive as you have in your previous posts, I am interested in hearing someone actually support Palin or McCain more than just saying, "They're good." Why are they good. Please educate us on your beliefs. |  | Comments by Orangebear - 19:05 03 Oct 2008 |  | Sarah hit it out of the park, her laying low in the CBS interview put lowered the expections and weeping joe underestmated her. History shows candidates who cry on camera always loose. |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 19:15 03 Oct 2008 |  | OK, then I have to get back to work. I have two masters degrees, was an educator for many years, worked in media and I am currently in educational publishing. I also believe in the Judeo-Christian ethics that this country is founded upon. If you wish to have a socialist society, then go to one, be happy and live your life. Many comments on this site are attacks, and nothing more, and if written by Americans, shame on you.
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMADINEJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALTERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
Lastly, do you really know Obama? You may think you do. Read about him, or better yet read his two books. Here are some quotes, and then determine if this man is someone you want to run our country.
From Dreams of My Father:'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'
From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.
From Dreams of My Father:'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'
From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'
From Dreams of My Father:'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:'I will stand with the Muslims should the political
winds shift in an ugly direction' |  | Comments by Ken - 19:19 03 Oct 2008 |  | Concerned: What makes you so certain Obama will do anything that he's said he's going to do? I've heard him change his opinion several times on several key issues. Not a leader, just telling people what they want to hear when they want to hear it. What you don't get about Palin, is that she's not a Washington lifer (like Biden, and McCain for that matter). She fills many of us who are disillusioned with an out-of-control government that she's not going to accept the "politics as usual" way of governing. And she has her record in Alaska to prove it. Don't get me wrong -- if you love big government, with politicians trying to solve all your problems for you, then the Obama/Biden ticket is your dream ticket. I like Palin because I believe she may be the only one genuinely trying to change the culture in Washington. |  | Comments by Kenbit - 19:25 03 Oct 2008 |  | The media continue to run Sarah down because they do not know how else to attack her. Despite a lack of experience, no one can deny that in three weeks she has boned up on events to the level where she held her own against Biden. Which means that she is ahead of Obama. |  | Comments by JB - 19:41 03 Oct 2008 |  | I am overly vexed by the author's inability to hide an obvious bias to the liberal movement. For once, can a reporter use critical thinking and apply facts to a story rather than opinion? I am so sick of idiots in the media giving my party (Democrat) a bad name by mindlessly spewing opinion in their stories. Blech! |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 19:52 03 Oct 2008 |  | Everyone needs to vote and do not trust the polls. I worked in the liberal media for years as a lone Republican, and not all is as it appears.
Biden - Well what does Biden have to say
Biden on Obama
Biden On Whether He Would Meet Unconditionally With The Leaders Of Rogue States As Obama Said He Would: "Absolutely Positively No." Biden: "Would I make a blanket commitment to meet unconditionally with the leaders of each of those countries within the first year I was elected president? Absolutely positively no." (Sen. Joe Biden, Remarks At The National Press Club, Washington, DC,)
Biden: "If the Democrats think we're going to be able to nominate someone who can win without that person being able to table unimpeachable credentials on national security and foreign policy, I think we're making a tragic mistake…" (Sen. Joe Biden, "The Diane Rehm Show," 8/2/07)
Biden on John McCain
Jon Stewart: "You may end up going against a Senate colleague, perhaps McCain, perhaps Frist?" Biden: "John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off -- be well off no matter who..." Stewart: "Did I hear, Did I hear with?" Biden: "You know, John McCain and I think…" Stewart: "Don't become cottage cheese my friend. Say it." Biden: "The answer is yes." "The Daily Show" 8/2/05)
|  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 19:58 03 Oct 2008 |  | Okay, go back to work, and I won't respond to your lengthy and appreciated post, except to say that I am always disappointed to hear people say that this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles when, in fact, it is exactly the opposite. This country was founded by people looking to escape religious persecution. I am sure you have read the Constitution, and in doing so you might note that there is no mention of God or religion, as the framers knew religion should play NO PART in governing a nation. The only, even slight, mention would be in Article VII, where they call the day as "The Year of Our Lord." Some of the framers may have been religious, but the tenants that govern our society are to be expressly VOID of religious precept. |  | Comments by Socialism Sucks - 20:02 03 Oct 2008 |  | Dave Fallis is clearly educated and understands the issues. It is so easy to understand that Obama and all his followers are moving to a socialist government the likes of which we have seen fail over and over in other countries. The power should remain in the people, not the big-government idiots who are only out to secure a future for themselves. If you want a government that runs your life, you can test the waters in countries such as Iraq, Cuba, and Venezuela. Have fun. |  | Comments by BJ Ferrell - 20:04 03 Oct 2008 |  | Sarah Palin's love of the spotlight and "head cheerleader" charm and perkiness could not hide her repeated strategy of, when she did not understand a question, saying: "I want to go back to the issue of ______, and then substituting a monologue on her experience with "energy," her expertise as a Mayor (of a 7000 pop. town where she grew up), taxes (she seems to have been prepped on that), or slams against Obama with numbers (more prep material). She did not seem to recognize the expression "Achilles heel" so went off and talked about something else...her qualifications, addressing soccer momes, etc. This strategy was repeated so often, that I was astounded that the post-debate analysts didn't seem to recognize that this is how she got through the debate looking, well, not intelligent, but enthusiastic.
Her prep team was very good in working with her deficiencies. |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 20:06 03 Oct 2008 |  | To put it simply, Joe Biden does not feel Obama is qualified to be President of the United States. I can provide you quote after quote regarding this.
Joe Biden, though, has a great respect for John McCain and said he would be proud to run "with" him - a direct quote from his appearance on the Daily Show.
|  | Comments by jim - 20:12 03 Oct 2008 |  | Mr. Fallis -- I am glad you got McKiernan's name right in referring to that military commander. Pity that Palin couldn't do the same. But even your facts are not quite right on what he said, which was "I do think there's a role for traditional tribal authorities and tribal structure in Afghanistan, in the rural areas especially, to play in a community-based sense of security, of connection with the government, and of environmental considerations. But I think that tribal engagement, it has to be led by the Afghan government."
BTW, on gay rights, I am so glad that Palin is so 'tolerant' of 'adults who choose relationships that they deem best for themselvs'. And wasn't it clever to imply that she has gay friends and supports their civil rights without actually having to say so? |  | |  | Dear Concerned American. As I stated at the onset, get your facts straight and become educated, before you lash out. You are attacking a woman who does it all, does it well, and shame on her for being beautiful.
In regards to the Judeo-Christian ethic .........Here you go .........
The United States of America is the only country in history to have defined itself as Judeo-Christian. While the Western world has consisted of many Christian countries and consists today of many secular countries, only America has called itself Judeo-Christian. America is also unique in that it has always combined secular government with a society based on religious values.
But what does "Judeo-Christian" mean? We need to know. Along with the belief in liberty — as opposed to, for example, the European belief in equality, the Muslim belief in theocracy, and the Eastern belief in social conformity — Judeo-Christian values are what distinguish America from all other countries. That is why American coins feature these two messages: "In G-d we trust" and "Liberty."
Yet, for all its importance and its repeated mention, the term is not widely understood. It urgently needs to be because it is under ferocious assault, and if we do not understand it, we will be unable to defend it. And if we cannot defend it, America will become as amoral as other countries have become.
First, Judeo-Christian America has differed from Christian countries in Europe in at least two important ways. One is that the Christians who founded America saw themselves as heirs to the Hebrew Bible, as much as to theirs. And even more importantly, they strongly identified with the Jews.
For example, Thomas Jefferson wanted the design of the seal of the United States to depict the Jews leaving Egypt. Just as the Hebrews left Egypt and its values, Americans left Europe and its values.
Founders and other early Americans probably studied Hebrew, the language of the Jewish Bible at least as much as Greek, the language of the New. Yale, founded in 1701, adopted a Hebrew insignia, and Hebrew was compulsory at Harvard until 1787. The words on the Liberty Bell, "Proclaim Liberty throughout all the land . . . ," are from the Torah. Vast numbers of Americans took Hebrew names — like Benjamin Franklin and Cotton Mather (kattan in Hebrew means "little one" or "younger").
The significance of this belief cannot be overstated. It accounts for the mission that Americans have uniquely felt called to — to spread liberty in the world.
This sense of mission is why more Americans have died for the liberty of others than any other nation's soldiers.
It is why those who today most identify with the Judeo-Christian essence of America are more likely to believe in the moral worthiness of dying to liberate countries. That is why conservative Americans are more likely to believe in American exceptionalism.
The second meaning of Judeo-Christian is a belief in the biblical God of Israel, in His Ten Commandments and His biblical moral laws. It is a belief in universal, not relative, morality. It is a belief that America must answer morally to this God, not to the mortal, usually venal, governments of the world.
That is why those who most affirm Judeo-Christian values are unmoved by the idea that the war in Iraq is moral if Germany, France, China and Russia say so, but immoral if they oppose it. We ask first what God and the Bible would say about liberating Iraq, not what Syria and other members of the U.N. Security Council say.
|  | Comments by Hjalmar - 20:21 03 Oct 2008 |  | Yes, Gov. Palin met her challenge - after two weeks of coaching and preparation. We are still entitled to wonder how she would do as president in a fast changing crisis.
Sen. McCain is now 72 years old, in an age category in which some of my friends and former colleagues have died or are now in poor health, are in nursing homes, or are otherwise not as capable as they once were. If McCain dies in office or becomes unable to manage the enormous responsibilities of the presidency would Palin be able to handle those responsibilities? |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 20:34 03 Oct 2008 |  | In response to "Socialism Sucks" remarks... Your statement begins with a lack of understanding of what you're talking about. Socialism is not a system of government, but a system of economy. So, no one is looking for a socialist government. There is no socialist government. And you propose that I am advocating for a government that solves all my problems for me. So I ask you, how many times have YOU written a letter to a Senator or someone in your local government? How many times have YOU been involved in your government, more than just voting. Because if all you do is vote, albeit important to do, you are just voting for someone to solve your problems for you. I have not heard anything about eliminating our capitalist economy in favor of a socialist one. What I have heard are proposals that make you pay for your ability to control capital. "The middle class is the economic engine..." is exactly true, and often overlooked by the wealthy. How does one get wealthy, I ask you? Well, the wealthy will tell you it's hard work. Hah! Then why do I make so much more money than my brother, who absolutely works harder than me? It's because his product is not in as high demand as mine. You don't get wealthy by working hard. You get wealthy by convincing other people to give you their money. Microsoft? Everyone bought his product. They gave him their money. So he got wealthy. Nothing wrong with that. Hollywood? Smartest money making system I ever heard of, next to supermarkets. Instead of asking people to give you large amounts of money once, ask them to give you just a little bit of money over and over again. Well, no economy has an everlasting supply of money. The 20/80% rule applies, that 20% of the people control 80% of the capital. So how do you figure the middle class are not controlled by the upper class. I can't type any more right now, there is too much to say on the matter, but this is not a debate on socialism vs capitalism. Neither party is crossing that line. |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 20:42 03 Oct 2008 |  | Yes, you are correct. Palin twice called the commanding U.S. general in Afghanistan "Gen. McClellan"; his name is Gen. David McKiernan. I am sure that you caught that, correct? Or did you have to find something, anything to attack Sarah Palin. Lastly, and of course the most important fact one should consider, I have read the word cheerleader more than once on this blog, and I find that very humerous. By the way, before you say it one more time, did you know that Katie Couric wa a high school cheerleader and homecoming queen? |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 21:24 03 Oct 2008 |  | Hey, I used cheerleader too. Okay, it's just as much a cliché as what she says up there on the podium. I have no problems with cheerleaders, but I want to see more than just pep rally cheers.I want to see someone who can demonstrate more than that. Once upon a time this country was led by scholars. Early political leaders did not necessarily want to be in their posts, but they did it from a sense of duty. We are beyond that now, as our politicians are in the position to make a lot of money from their posts, and many use it to that advantage. Note that I am NOT lumping anyone in that category as of yet...and interesting that the term maverick comes up so often, as if this is a good thing. I don't want a maverick in the White House. A rebel does not represent ME. A maverick, (not the animal mind you) goes his own way, not the way of the people.
|  | Comments by Marguerite Mason - 21:32 03 Oct 2008 |  | On Sarah Palin:
Sarah Palin's folksy, cutesy attitude is not my idea of good vice presidential material.
I believe her objection to answering the question(s) she was asked was because she had her 'learned,' set pieces to say, and wasn't sure she could wing it on her own, if she hadn't already rehearsed it.
I also object to the double standard that says 'they wouldn't think of asking a man about his children' though they ask a woman; then expect the female candidate to be treated deferentially, while she smilingly zings if she chooses.
To me, equal is equal. If you want fairness from one direction, you're entitled to fairness from the other direction.
I also object to the use of the term "Joe Six Pack," apparently meant to describe the average American man. I believe there is a multitude of American men who do not fall into that category, but who are certainly
"regular Joes." I was married to one of them for many years before he had to leave forever. He was a "regular Joe," but you could never have called him a "Joe Six Pack."
Other terms: Sarah Palin's presidential running mate has been self-described as having been a hot-shot and a rebel; and now a maverick, which last is also used as a self-description of both him and his vice presidential running mate on the Republican ticket. Am I suuposed to understand that they are mavericks, not Republicans, but are willing to use the Party to help them get elected.
I know what the dictionary definitions of a maverick are, and I have no idea what anyone else thinks, but when someone uses the word, maverick, the mental picture I see is of a steer which has separated from the herd, and is running willy-nilly here and there because
it doesn't know what it is doing, and has no idea where it is going.
I got the idea that Sarah Palin's idea of being a maverick is doing whatever she wants to do, regardless, and heaven help anyone who gets in her way. Haven't we just had two of those in the White House the last eight years?
As for more power, under the constitution,
for the Vice president, God forbid!
I would like whomever wins future elections to fully understand, they are elected to lead. They are not elected to rule! They should be decisive, but they should not rule by decree. We elect a president. We do not elect a king, a dictator, or an emperor of the universe!
|  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 21:35 03 Oct 2008 |  | Dear Concerned American:
My apologies. Now I get it. Hit me with a brick. You are a socialist........... I believe everyone deserves to live the life they wish to live. You may want to try China, Syria, Cuba or North Korea ......... but I am sure you really are a nice person, so I would suggest Sweden.
When I say educated yourself, kinow that what I fear most about this election is that our society has become so illiterate. Did you know that:
50 percent of adults cannot read a book written at an eighth grade level.
20 percent of Americans are functionally illiterate and read below a 5th grade level.
Nearly half of all Americans read so poorly that they cannot find a single piece of information when reading a short publication...........and they are voting just like you and I ........... all they know is what they hear in the media.
|  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 21:44 03 Oct 2008 |  | My apologies. I sounded like a radical liberal with my below the belt remark my concerned citizen. I also used bad grammar as I am multi-tasking. I love America, and as I tell friends, it is because I can sit across the table from my far left friends and enjoy each other, and not hate or kill each other because of our political beliefs. I only ask for you to read and study the facts and the issues before you make your choices. |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 22:06 03 Oct 2008 |  | Dear Dave, no apologies necessary. I would not be engaged in this discussion if I did not find it an intelligent dialogue. But I am certainly NOT a socialist, even though I see strength in a socialist system. Unfortunately, socialism HAS failed all over the world, and there are too many ideas on what socialism is. I don't belong to a party, and never will. I, instead, allow myself to ally with whomever I believe is best suited for whatever job is in question. And, lacking that, I have stepped up to lead when I see no other option. And I too have been an educator for 11 years, and am very familiar with the statistics you mentioned, and it is appalling. I have traveled the country east to west, north to south, ten times in my professional career and spent time with people from all walks of life. (No, I am not a missionary...) I HAVE educated myself on these issues so as not to make rash statements that I cannot support. I am always interested in hearing the opinion of one who might oppose me, otherwise society reaches a standstill. And I object to the notion that I have to move to another country if I disagree with what this one does. The old mantra "love it or leave it" is about the most asinine thing I ever heard. Really the statement should be "love it or change it..." Isn't that what a Democracy is about? |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 22:08 03 Oct 2008 |  | BTW, not to make much of a point, but the people of Sweden LOVE living in Sweden, and feel that they are free in many ways that other nations are not... |  | Comments by jim - 22:32 03 Oct 2008 |  | I, too, am well-educated. I am bilingual and have a degree in English. I have a fine grasp of semantics and nuance of speech; I watch, and I listen. Watching the debate, I could clearly tell when someone was reading from a set script, repeating pat buzzwords, avoiding answers, twisting facts and spouting patronizing, patriotic flattery designed to warm the hearts of the viewer. Such behavior does not inspire me with confidence in that person's ability to lead.
Also, kudos to Marquerite Mason for providing a definition of the word 'maverick'. It made me smile. |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 22:46 03 Oct 2008 |  | Now, that being said, how can you have multiple mavericks banding together? Wouldn't that connote a herd, thereby negating the maverick distinction of any single member...? |  | Comments by Derrick Morris - 22:52 03 Oct 2008 |  | You congressmen and women get healthcare for life and the few of us who work for companies good enough to provide good healthcare will now be penalized by taxing us for having it. You talk about taking care of the veterans, and yet my father-in-law a WWII hero, cannot get plavix, for his heart paid even partially for by the VA...Hypocrits all, I hope you can't sleep at night, all of you with your pork bellies and your spending. At least Sarah just doesn't know what's going on, you do. |  | Comments by Craig - 23:07 03 Oct 2008 |  | This is John McCains last chance to be president. This is why he is willing to take such huge gambles, they are not huge to him this is his last chance. This is how we got to the choice of Sarah Palin. John McCain was desperate to fulfill a lifelong dream which may have been realized earlier in his life if not the congressional scandal he was involved in , it was his fault those valuble years were wasted not ours. Now with every desperate move everything is the medias fault , shut the media up with good plans and policies that you would provide to the USA. He sounds like a child who is afraid to fight back when being bullied. In one of his speeches he sd stand up and fight. He does not fight he just complains fight back with solid policies and plans that cannot be refuted by the media stand up and fight yourself. I WOULD NEVER FIGHT FOR SOMEONE WHEN THEY GET HIT THEY JUST CRY. |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 23:34 03 Oct 2008 |  | In regards to Palin vs Obama on experience or ability, I would just like to add; Obama stood up with several other candidates and was CHOSEN by the people to be where he is. Palin was not. She was chosen by the party. Interesting though that people would compare Palin to Obama. Are people somehow EXPECTING her to wind up President? |  | Comments by Linda - 23:41 03 Oct 2008 |  | Dave Fallis brands anyone who disagrees with him a socialist, and suggests banning such a person to a country such as ooooooh! Sweden. I have been to Sweden and it is a very nice place, lacking the ugly poverty that exists in the U.S.
You talk about the high rate of illiteracy in the U.S. Perhaps smart government support of education, rather than the test-driven model, would improve literacy.
But keep the populace illiterate and there is a greater chance of electing intellectual lightweights. |  | Comments by brock - 23:48 03 Oct 2008 |  | This is starting to read like some elitist load. Do you really need to preface things by your scholastic achievements? The opinion of a simpleton (like me) isn’t valid? Maybe people should have to take a test before they put their hanging chad ridden card in the ballot box. Even the uneducated and those caught in the headlights of the media get to vote.
“I like her, she’s purrdy” (his son is the one that goes to war)
This is how Lewis Black put it (from Bush vs Kerry but it applies here)...
”we are basically voting between two bowls of sh*t”
|  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 00:44 04 Oct 2008 |  | On the contrary, you are EXACTLY who matters. And I assume you are just being humble in calling yourself a simpleton. But the fact is that most people don't have, or don't try to, access more information than the media places in front of them. It is imperative that the common American is better informed than they are so they can make the best decision possible. If you are voting because you think someone "thinks like you" then I ask, do you think you are capable of leading a nation of 305 million people, all wanting something different? If so, put your hat in the ring and let's see what you've got. I suspect not. I don't think I can either. But I am capable of deciding who I think best serves my interests. As are you, as long as you are well informed, and not lambasted by marketing and sales gimmicks. |  | Comments by Dave Fallis - 02:04 04 Oct 2008 |  | I had to come back into this forum just to see what has gone on for the past few hours. Concerned citizen, I am sure you understand what I was saying to you was an ill attempt at a joke. If one truly does hate our American system, though, I do strongly suggest they check out another country.
Back to Sweden. I know a married couple who live in Sweden and they are both doctors. They stated to me that the government takes over 70% of what they make. Nice place to visit ....... but not for me. ..........If you read the anger and uninformed attacks made by many in this forum, one simply cannot take those people serious. You believe what you wish, but educate yourself on the facts. Read all about Obama, and study the facts, not what the media decides to tell you the flavor of the day is. You attack Sarah Palin, but explain what it is about her and her accomplishments that you find so awful. All you are doing is attacking, with no substance behind what you say. It ruins not just your credibility but all those that consider themselves a liberal.........I was simply appalled to hear some of the ignorant comments on The View today. There was no substance, just stupidity. I firmly believe and would bet my eye teeth, that if you would stop and study all about Obama, his politics, how he won his two elections, and his voting record, many of you would think twice about first, that he is qualified and second, that his intentions are in the best interest of all Americans. |  | Comments by PHonesty - 06:18 04 Oct 2008 |  | Neither McCain nor members of his campaign bothered to tell Palin they were pulling out of Michigan. It wasn't until a newsman approached her today and asked her about it. She was surprised to hear about McCain's decision to pull out of Michigan. This should be an eye opener for you. She is running for the second highest position in the United States and not McCain nor ANY member of her party let her know of their plan to move out. It had to be someone not even within her party who told her. What does that tell you THEY think about her? Obviously they have been using her to lure in women voters. McCain will gain from the lured-in votes. This would be his very last chance to try to be president (due to his age) and Palin would also gain because in exchange for luring in votes she gets rewarded with the title of Vice President (despite her lack of knowledge in many areas). But what do you and I have to gain? We definitly gain NOTHING, not a thing. In fact, we put ourselves at risk. Stand back and take a harder look, are we being lured in? Palin has nothing to lose and everything to gain (even if she knows she is being used, she will be well rewarded). |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 18:11 04 Oct 2008 |  | Mr. Fallis, I must say I am SO disappointed in you. Upon your request that I EDUCATE myself with the facts, I went and read the Obama quotes that you posted earlier, and I am only going to mention one of them, the last one, since you deemed it "the most damning of all..." First, you quoted it INCORRECTLY from the book, in order to make your point. Isn't that what you criticize the media for doing? You added the work Muslim's to your quote, but in fact, it is not in there. The work THEM is there, and when you read the ENTIRE PARAGRAPH, you see that it is actually exactly the kind of statement you would want a leader to make. The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." ----- C'mon now Dave. This is not the remark of a man taking the side of Muslims against America. This is a man saying that he will fight for the liberty of ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS, and he will not abandon them just because things get tough. He will stand by them as their leader, and as ours. You talked about my credibility, well my friend, that one statement of yours made you lose all of your credibility, with me anyway. I looked into many other of your statements and I am afraid YOU are the victim of media persuasion. You may be a nice guy as well, but you are not honest. If you want to argue effectively, don't just offer the information that makes you look good, recognize all aspects of the situation, then pick a side and defend it. You omitted information that others might find valuable in order to make your point easier to make. So sad. I was enjoying this dialog, but I think I am done. Thanks. It's been interesting. |  | Comments by concernedAmerican - 18:27 04 Oct 2008 |  | OMG! Can't believe it! While just snooping a little more, I just found over 30 sites with the exact same, incorrectly quoted, and unfairly isolated statements from Obama's books. YOU DIDN'T EVEN READ THEM DAVE! YOU ARE QUOTING OTHER SITES! YOU DIDN'T READ THEM! You should be ashamed of yourself for claiming that you did. You didn't even change the order in which you listed them. Every site lists them EXACTLY AS YOU DID! |  | Comments by Canadian - 22:17 04 Oct 2008 |  | Wow, Are americans really that isolated? do they not know whats really happening in the world. Why is it so difficult for you to see the truth. Why is it so easy to fool soo many americans via mass media marketing. Palin is dumb and was only picked to take the woman vote. is she that dumb herself to not know that. She wasnt picked because of what she's accomplished. she was picked for VP because shes a WOMAN . How desperate is Macain. Why are Palin supporters so proud of Palin for her performance at the debate???? Are they proud because she didnt fumble or didnt make any major mistakes. She still lost the debate you know. Why do Palin's supporters settle for less? Its like you live in your own world and you are all blinded (most of you) by things which are not true. Its all a bunch of really smart and media savy people promoting some really dumb candidates. yee ha mavericks...haha
WAKE UP |  | Comments by charles - 23:08 04 Oct 2008 |  | Change you can trust, a slogan that could turn around McCain's campaign?
Change you can trust contrasts beautifully with change you can believe in.
Everyone wants change, only with a team that we can trust to implement it.
If you're in a tough spot, you want someone to come to help you that you can trust, not someone you believe may want to help you.
John McCain, polls show, is rated as highly qualified and highly trusted. This slogan, change you can trust, reinforces this message.
It can even be added on to John McCain’s current slogan. Country first, change you can trust. Or perhaps Change you can trust that puts Country first. Or how about Change you can trust that puts America first
It implies without directly saying it that the other side is perhaps a little less trustworthy.
It also reinforces the message that in a time we were facing battle with Al Qaeda worldwide and two conventional wars, John McCain is a commander in chief you can trust to lead us to victory.
There are 30 days left before Election Day. Sarah Palin’s debate performance was good, but it's really up to John McCain to win.
CHANGE You Can TRUST
CHANGE You Can TRUST to put COUNTRY FIRST
CHANGE You Can TRUST to put AMERICA FIRST
CHANGE - TRUST
COUNTRY FIRST
John, are you listening???
http://strategicthought-charles77.blogspot.com/2008/10/change-you-can-trust-slogan-that-could.html |  | Comments by John McCain Supporter - 23:13 04 Oct 2008 |  | I am quite disappointed in Palin’s debate performance. She didn't answer many questions; only fed back multiple sound bites. McCain may have picked her to get the female vote, but he must think that woman are pretty shallow. She clearly isn't qualified and can't think on her feet; only throw out sassy sound bites.
Combine that with her extreme views:
- Would force her child to have a rapists child
- Fired librarian who wouldn't agree to censor books
- Lies about 'Bridge to No Where'
|  | Comments by Sandra - 06:30 10 Oct 2008 |  | It's totally obvious that Sarah Palin has a lot of people running scared!! You Go Sarah!! |  |
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