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US presidential elections blog: Zen and the art of the Obama-McCain debate
06:26 Wed 08 Oct 2008 - Clive Leviev-Sawyer
 

The final question in the John McCain-Barack Obama presidential elections second debate came via e-mail, and was introduced by moderator Tom Brokaw as having a “zen-like” quality: “What don’t you know and how will you learn it?” After 90 minutes dominated by the two candidates going head-to-head on economic issues, the question might equally be asked of the US’s remaining undecided voters.

Brokaw opened the debate by noting that much had happened since Obama and McCain previously met in televised debate, but at times – perhaps inevitability – there were sequences that seemed like remakes of that debate, and a sense of deja vu from exchanges traded in the Biden-Palin debate.

Reportedly trailing in the polls, McCain held back from trowelling on questions about Obama’s past in the way that his campaign and he had done in the days that were the overture to the debate. Said to be at home in the town hall meeting format, McCain did lay the patriotism and jus’ folks touches on thick – it would be an interesting statistic to see just how often he subliminally invoked patriotic sentiment by using the words “America” and “Americans”, interspersed with the touch of repeatedly responding to questions by addressing the studio audience of 80 undecided voters as “my friends”.

Whatever warnings had been given to the two by their advisers ahead of the debate, some habits die hard. It may have been the camera shots, but McCain did not seem to spend much time looking at Obama, a repeat of his much-criticised behaviour in the first debate. In that first debate, Obama reportedly made Democrats groan by the number of times by prefacing responses by saying that he “agreed” with McCain about some things; this time around, Obama did it only twice – by my count – although the second time around was as a preface to saying why he did not agree with McCain.

The exchanges on domestic economic policy, on taxation, health care and entitlements followed predictable lines. Each accused the other, with the detail differing, of seeking to soak the middle classes through taxes. McCain tried hard to portray Obama as someone who during a short time in Washington, had never met a tax increase he did not like, and Obama responded in kind, although he sought to damn McCain precisely through McCain’s considerably longer spell in Washington.

McCain did better in short, concise sentences in his first answers on economic policies, but Obama had clearer detail to offer (but has had considerable practice repeating his message) about the numbers that would mean that an Obama presidency would go easier on all but the wealthiest income earners. He managed a clear soundbite: “I am cutting more than I am spending”, Obama said in reference to the massive increases in deficit and national debt run up in the Bush II years.

“You’re not interested in the politicians pointing fingers,” Obama told the audience at one point, although much time was taken up by McCain and Obama doing just that. McCain pushed hard his record of bipartisanship, and trotted out the maverick horse again, saying that unlike Obama, he had been ready to challenge his party’s leadership on differences of principle.

Obama’s line “the Straight Talk Express lost a wheel on that one” in reference to McCain’s plans for entitlements and to the name of the McCain campaign bus had an echo of something cooked up ahead of the debate and McCain – while candidates were not allowed to ask direct questions of each other – managed to ad-lib a line about how Obama had “failed” to say how much those who did not comply with the Obama health care plan would be fined. That may not add up much with Obama’s reasoned attack against the McCain health care plan and its real cost for households.

It took close to an hour before foreign policy was raised, and when it was, matters livened up.

In McCain’s view, “the fact is that America is the greatest force for good in the history of the world…we are peacemakers and we are peacekeepers”. His would be the cool hand on the tiller, he said, citing his policy positions of the past decades on Lebanon, Kosovo, Bosnia and the Gulf wars. Predictably, McCain sought again to portray Obama as a junior who lacked understanding of the issues.

That was a point when Obama “agreed” with McCain, noting precisely how McCain tried to portray him as lacking understanding. “I don’t understand…I don’t understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11”.

The Obama doctrine on US interventions on humanitarian issues elsewhere in the world would, it seemed, see the US working with allies (“mobilizing the international community and leading” – he did not have to spell out Bush’s shortcomings when he said that), allowing for the fact that America could not be “everywhere at the same time”.

McCain responded with an emotive assertion that the Obama plan for a withdrawal from Iraq would “have brought our troops home in defeat. I will bring them home in victory”.

Obama, however, made one of his clearest responses yet to the frequent charge by the McCain-Palin camp about Obama’s supposed readiness to negotiate unconditionally with hostile states. The purpose of such talks, Obama said, was to deliver the US standpoint in a “tough direct message”.

For all the uncommitted status of the audience, McCain had his moment for a shoulder pt and a handshake with a questioner in the audience who was a former US navy chief petty officer. All he knew he had learnt from a navy chief, McCain said, adding a “thanks for serving”. Obama, never in the armed forces, prefaced his subsequent response by telling the same questioner “we honour your service” but it sounded like catch-up. On the emotional stuff, even from in front of a cold television screen, one could sense a brief moment of rapport as Obama, speaking on the health care issue, recalled his mother dying of cancer and spending her last months in an argument with authorities over regulations for health care.

And that question: “What don’t you know and how will you learn it?” (One suddenly seemed back in the days of Oliver North and Irangate – “what did the president know and when did he know it?”) saw Obama reply that being president meant that the biggest challenges would be not the ones that were expected but the ones that were not (a line reminiscent of Bill Clinton’s “no one is ever ready to be president” that so annoyed the Obama camp for its failure to endorse the candidate). Obama’s wrap-up was better: “Are we going to pass on the American Dream to the next generation” as he outlined how the dream had been tarnished in the past eight years.

By a toss of the coin, Obama had the first response in the debate and by McCain had the last word. Not quite the last word of his response was “What I don’t know is what the unexpected will be”.

A Zen enough response in a debate that held little of the unexpected.


 

 
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Comments by Antonio Sosa - 08:16 08 Oct 2008
Our main question should be, will Obama work for the United States or for our enemies? His life-long association with people who hate America is truly scary. I'm terrified watching how people in the United States are being manipulated to put a Marxist in power, just like people in Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador. Ecuadorians were fooled into believing that the young and charismatic candidate with no experience would bring CHANGE and help the poor. CHANGE and YES WE CAN were Rafael Correa’s slogans. When Ecuadorians discovered they had made a mistake, it was too late. The CHANGE has been towards Marxism and greater poverty. YES WE CAN means that Marxists like Correa (and Obama) can lie and take over.
Comments by Justine Nofal - 10:15 08 Oct 2008
It's a pity Michael Bloomberg, the billionaire Mayor of New York City, is not a candidate in the US presidential race. Should we be worried by the fact that he is not interested in the Treasury job? Or will his influence be greater if he works behind the scenes? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/7656583.stm
Comments by mary ann thomas - 17:42 08 Oct 2008
obama not in real world... said to audience member you may not to go out to dinner as often..or buy that new car.... millions of Americans must be more concerned about buying a big bag of rice and and one of beans..replace worn tires on or put gas in car..( most have no access to public transportation) most can't think of paying college tuition. people out of job after decades with company having always paid bills could be homeless All politicians come down from ivory tower We need a Naked Emperor Party that knows they can't "eat cake".
Comments by Sean - 19:41 08 Oct 2008
Obama is constantly giving specifics, while McCain keeps saying he is for the American people, but is not listing specifics. How can I vote for a man that is not telling me what his plan is, and is only trying to win me over emotionally. I am a middle class citizen. Mr. McCain how will you HELP me! I was in the middle, but Senator McCain gives me no choice but to vote for the one that is laying out what he is planing to do to help me and my family. Am I the only one seeing this? McCain, stop with the politics and be straight up, so I can make an EDUCATED decision and not an emotional one! I am more intelligent than that!
Comments by Signalmn Second Class Jones - 13:54 12 Oct 2008
What better launch site could one want than Bulgaria? For light relief: "Fair Play All my life I've worshipped God Up high or on his tree So carve this on my tombstone For everyone to see: Now, God, as I'm a democrat, It's your turn to worship me." Public domain. Ignore or improve to suit. Go for it, America, be daring, elect a human being for a change. Good luck, and don't forget to scrap the missiles, pension off the waterboard men and send the marines home. Then the rest of the world will love you Or at least, we will consider flirting again. Signalman Second Class Jones, Closeburn Signal Station, Oz.
Comments by dianna - 18:13 12 Oct 2008
has anyone told obama that most the people he has said he it not going to increase their taxes are not even paying taxes. They know what this means the rest of us will pay more so they will get back more in their low income tax credit. I wish someone would give me a big fat check for nothing so that i can go shopping or that great vacation. Maybe he should take that money and pay for their health care so the rest of us are not picking up the tab for theirs. The hospitals are over billing our carriers to offset their losses on the non insured. When are we going to stop rewarding people for having children they cant afford. I would loved to have more children but I couldn't afford to I don't feel that everyone else should be responsible for their lack of responsibility
Comments by Dani - 21:26 13 Oct 2008
McCain stands no chance, and by the way Europeans support Obama 10 to 1, http://www.europevotes.com
Comments by karen crowe - 20:33 14 Oct 2008
why isn't anyone talking about this???? Letter by a Florida teacher................ A teacher speaks This is a subject close to my heart. Do you know that we have adult students at the school where I teach who are not US citizens and who get the PELL grant, which is a federal grant (no pay back required) plus other federal grants to go to school? One student from the Dominican Republic told me that she didn't want me to find a job for her after she finished my program, because she was getting housing from our housing department and she was getting a PELL grant which paid for her total tuition and books, plus money leftover. She was looking into WAIT which gives students a CREDIT CARD for gas to come to school, and into CARIBE which is a special program (check it out - I did) for immigrants and it pays for child care and all sorts of needs while they go to school or training. The one student I just mentioned told me she was not going to be a US Citizen because she plans to return to the Dominican Republic someday and that she 'loves HER country.' I asked her if she felt guilty taking what the US is giving her and then not even bothering to become a citizen and she told me that it doesn't bother her, because that is what the money is there for! I asked the CARIBE administration about their program and if you ARE a US Citizen, you don't qualify for their program. And all the while, I am working a full day, my son-in-law works more than 60 hours a week, and everyone in my family works and pays for our education. Something is wrong here. I am sorry but after hearing they want to sing the National Anthem in Spanish - enough is enough. No where did they sing it in Italian, Polish, Irish (Celtic), German or any other language because of immigration. It was written by Francis Scott Key and should be sung word for word the way it was written. The news broadcasts even gave the translation -- not even close. Sorry if this offends anyone but this is MY COUNTRY. IF IT IS YOUR COUNTRY SPEAK UP -- please pass this along. I am not against immigration -- just come through like everyone else. Get a sponsor; have a place to lay your head; have a job; pay your taxes, live by the rules AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE as ALL other immigrants have in the past and GOD BLESS AMERICA! PART OF THE PROBLEM, Think about this: If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone -- YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM! It is Time for America to Speak up If you agree -- pass this along.
 
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