There will never be a compromise.... Greece is right ...FYROM is right wing extreme and DANGEROUS people!

The song remains the same below: This new republic, with capital the city of Skopje, emerged as the successor to the former ``Yugoslav Federative Republic of Macedonia'', after the collapse of former Yugoslavia, and applied for admission to the United Nations with the name ``Republic of Macedonia''. Greece strongly opposes the use of the term Macedonia, which is the name of its northern region. Greece believes that the use of this name along with the continuing use of irredentist actions and symbols by this new republic against Greece, clearly imply a claim to Greek territory. It is important to point out that the authorities of this new republic affixed on the new flag of the republic the emblem of the ancient Greek Macedonian dynasty that was found in Greece in the tomb of King Philip II (the father of Alexander the Great). Moreover, in the constitution of this new republic there are references to the possibility of changing the current borders in order to create a ``Greater Macedonia'' that will include the northern province of Greece ! Maps of this ``Greater Macedonia'' have already been issued and circulated by the authorities in Skopje. The United Nations acknowledging the Greek position admitted this new republic with the temporary name ``Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M)'' and currently negotiations are taking place in order to settle this issue. Recently, the Clinton administration has issued a directive to use the name ``Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (F.Y.R.O.M)'' when referring to this new republic. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MACEDONIA FAQ (This is a FAQ about the Greek main positions.) In 1994, Greece imposed an embargo on products from FYROM (except for food, medicine and humanitarian assistance), on claims that the adoption of a Greek name ("Macedonia") for the country, a Greek symbol (the Vergina Sun/Star) for its flag and certain articles in its constitution, hide irredentist designs against Greece. For the embargo to end, the flag, certain articles in its constitution, and the hostile propaganda have to be changed ("small package"), while the name can be decided in later negotiations. 1) Why does Greece dictate to FYROM its name, symbols and constitution? Greece does not dictate to FYROM what name or flag to adopt, just to choose any of the million possibilities that are not Greek or offensive to Greeks. Countries have to choose their national symbols based on International norms. (i.e. Can Syria employ the Nazi cross as their flag, if they choose so? Can Cuba change its name to Florida, employ the statue of Liberty as its flag and start propaganda that the Florida state in the USA belongs to Cuba, by virtue of so many Cubans living there?) Naming a country after a neighboring region is a de facto irredentist strategy aimed at destabilizing the region, and hoping that the country, will absorb the neighboring region. 2) Why does Greece object to the use of the `Vergina Sun' on the FYROM flag? The Vergina Sun, the emblem of Philip's dynasty, symbolizes the birth of our nation. It was the first time (4th century BCE) that the Greek mainland (city-states and kingdoms) with the same language, culture, and religion were united against the enemies of Asia in one league. At the same time the fractured Greek world grew conscious of its unity. And, in this sense, we have never been apart since then. The `Sun' was excavated in Greece in 1978, and it is sacred to us. 3) Why did Greece impose the embargo? After talking with the FYROMian Government fruitlessly for 2 years and going nowhere, then and only then did the Greek state implement the partial embargo as last resort to advance the issue. 4) Why do you claim exclusive rights to the symbols of the ancient Macedonians? We have linguistic, cultural, genealogical, and geographic ties to the ancient Greeks and Macedons. They (FYROM) are mostly Slavs who descended after 600 CE in the region, and have no ties whatsoever (ancient Makedonia was within modern Greece since its inception). Even after the great expansion by Philip the II and Alexander the Great in the 400s BCE, perhaps even less than 10% of the FYROMian land was part of the `enlarged kingdom'. The reader should realize that the punitive expeditions of the Macedonians in the north, as well as their imperial acquisitions in the Balkans and Asia did not necessarily produce a `wider concept of Macedonia' - a country with boarders extending to India. That would be most simplistic! Pella, the capital of the ancient Makedones, is well within modern Greek borders. 5) What proof do you have that the ancient Macedonians were Greek? The vast majority of major historians believe that the ancient Macedonians were Greek. Those who still remain skeptical, say that they need more evidence before proclaiming the ancient Macedonians as Greek. But no one says that ancient Macedonians were not Greek. Recent excavations close to their ancient capital, Aigai, including the discovery of the `tomb of Philip the II', reinforce the Greek identity of the ancient Macedonians categorically. In any case, all historians admit that by Roman times the ancient Macedonians were fully homogenized with the rest of Greeks, and that Macedonia stopped existing as a separate socio-cultural entity some 600 years before any contact with the first Slavs in the Balkans. 6) How can appropriating Greece's history, be irredentist? History is the means for laying claims on foreign lands. The Macedonian argument was promoted by the 3rd Commintern (USSR) and their allies in the region just prior to WWII, to create an independent greater Macedonia for social experimentation. Bulgarians have said that Alexander the Great was a Bulgarian while occupying Macedonia (Greek) on behalf of the Germans in WWII. Tito sent 5,000 Yugoslavs and "Slav-Macedonians" to Greece after WWII to work with their allies in the region to annex Makedonia (Greek) while we were too busy fighting a civil war. These were the same people that now live in FYROM. 3 times in the recent past the same propaganda has been used as justification by different interests (Commintern, Bulgaria, (S)NOF-Yugoslavia) to invade (or try to) Greece. Even today, just when the name and flag were been adopted in independent FYROM, VMRO and Gligorof were talking about reclaiming "their" lands in Greece and Bulgaria. 7) Who populated the lands of modern FYROM in the past? The ancient people inhabiting the area around Skopje, at the time of the ancient Macedonians, were the Dardanians, and their land was called Dardania. Throughout their modern history, the region now occupied by FYROM was populated mostly by Bulgarians. The creation of "Macedonia" (FYROM, SROM) was artificial. Ex-Yugoslavs will attest to that. FYROM is comprised of Albanians, Serbs, and Bulgarians and their language is a Bulgarian dialect with a few Serbo-croatian words. Bulgarians will attest to that and understand/speak "Macedonian". 8) What about their claim of a large minority in Greece? After usurping the name and the flag, surprise! They start claiming that Greeks in Macedonia (Greek) are a FYROM minority. After all we all identify as Macedonians. Thus, we must be the same... Some people in the Net claim 1 mill minority in Macedonia (Greek). The population of Macedonia (Greek) is 2 mill. I am a Macedonian (Greek) same with other Greeks on this group. We don't want anything to have with FYROM. We are Greek. Finally the recent Euro-Elections revealed only with their cause (therefore propably a FYROM minority) 10,000! Not fantasies of 1 million! 9) Why doesn't the Greek government recognize the "Macedonian" minority? Greek parents have been sending their children to Macedonian schools for years, expecting them to learn Greek, not Bulgarian. Macedonian people (Greeks) are already a majority in Greece, with Macedonian churches, schools and cultural centers teaching Greek and regional dances and songs. The Greek government can neither recognize a minority with the same name, as the majority, nor build non-Greek schools and churches with the same name. Greek courts have offered to open cultural centers for their minority, under a different name (than Macedonian). They have refused. As long as they use the term "Macedonian" to describe their nationality, their minorities in Greece and Bulgaria cannot be recognized. 10) What are Greece's objections with FYROM's constitution? There are two points of concern: In their preamble, they define their FYROM state as a departure from the " ...historic decisions of the Anti-Fascist Assembly of the People's Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM)... ". The problem is that ASNOM had called for the "Macedonians" in Bulgaria and other countries to unite under Tito's rule. Their language in article 49 is also problematic (too extensive to go into here). At Greece's request they have added 2 amendements stating that they have no claims on neighbouring countries. Still, that is in contradiction with their preample, and it is to their benefit to rewrite those articles to avoid contradictions and vagueries in their Constitution. 11) Does Greece have any territorial or other claims on FYROM? In 1993, Serbia's President Milocevic, invited Greece to invade FYROM. Greece declined it. FYROM is surrounded by claims of Greater Albania, Greater Bulgaria and Greater Serbia. Greece is the only one not interested in FYROM. It is a poor, barren place with no Hellenic ties or history. Greece has the beach-front property (Aegean), and the economy differential between the two countries would only create problems for the richer one (Greece). 12) Is Greece really afraid of FYROM? Presently FYROM is too weak to threaten Greece militarily or otherwise. However, considering that: a) A general draft can raise an army of 700,000 in FYROM; b) Greece has had to fight several times against similar claims in this century to secure and defend its northern region (Macedonia); c) the Balkans are currently in a map-changing mode; d) shifting alliances may change the balance of power in the near future; The Greek state feels that the "inexplicable" adoption of an irredentist name and flag by FYROM are hostile and provocative acts designed to establish future claims on Greek Macedonia. These are the main points and we can support them with facts and evidence.

name issue? i have say the past day,s i do have the solution! to stop this argument with those greek asians atheopian! greekgays as you call us! my solution is this one we the macedonian greek minority suggest you move here to geece, to salum ? where IS SALUM ? I DON,T KNOW ! WE THEN CAN MOVE OVER TO MONASTIRE AND SCOPJIE WE THE TRUE MACEDONIAN GREEKS OF TWO MILLION SEVEN HUNDRED,WILL MOVE OVER THEAR TO ARE LANDS SO YOU MOVE HERE AT GREECE ! TAKE ATHENS, THESALONEKI,VOLO EVERY WHERE YOU PLEASE! BY THE WAY HOW MANY YOU ARE ? I BET WE THE TRUE GREEK MACEDONIAN ARE MUCH MORE ! SO YOU WILL HAVE LOT OF ROOM! GUYS YOU GET GOOD DEAL LETS DO IT! WE ARE SICK OF THE GREEK HARRASMENT ! THIS WAY THE NAME FUSSE IS FINISH! AFTER ALL WE LIKE TO LIVE , TITOS STYLE DEMOCRACY!PLEASE GET READY TO MOVE OVER TO GREECE GAYS LAND LIKE YOU SAY , SO CAN HAVE ROOM AT SCOPJIE! JM,PLAIN!

Get it inside your thick heads FYROMians, once and for all. The battle is over, YOU HAVE LOST, NO - EU, NO - NATO until you drop it. FYROM should be renamed to TYROM. TYRI is Greek for cheese. That reflects the country's one and only industry: Farming. You little nobodies have been victims of propaganda and you are forced to believe what you believe. As most of you are totally uneducated, you spend all of your time reading TYROMIAN posts, newspapers etc. What you really deserve is a military action just so you finally get your heads out of your as*es for good