Mediator proposes 'Northern Macedonia' as compromise in name dispute - media reports 11:26 Thu 09 Oct 2008 - Clive Leviev-Sawyer Meeting senior representatives of Athens and Skopje in New York on October 8 2008, United Nations mediator Matthew Nimetz proposed a compromise name for Macedonia - according to some media reports, the proposal is "Republic of Northern Macedonia" - and asked the two sides in the name dispute to consider it, without setting a deadline for a response.
The two countries are at odds over Skopje's use of the name "Macedonia" for the country. Greece objects to this name for the former Yugoslav republic, saying that it could be used to reinforce Skopje's territorial claims in northern Greece. Earlier in 2008, the name dispute moved Greece to block Macedonia's hopes of getting an invitation at a Nato summit to join the military alliance.
In spite of earlier media reports that Nimetz's proposal would be a "final" one after a prolonged series of exchanges in the mediation process, he told reporters that "I don't think that a mediator is in a position to throw down an ultimatum" and that he had given no deadline for a response.
"My ideas are based on a lot of thought and consideration of what might be a reasonable settlement and they do, in my view, represent an honorable, dignified, workable proposal for a settlement," news agency Reuters quoted Nimetz as telling reporters. Other media reports noted that Nimetz avoided using the word "proposal" and said that he had offered a "package of ideas".
Macedonian daily Dnevnik, quoting diplomatic sources, said that the proposal was that "Republic of Northern Macedonia" be for international use. The country's language would be labelled Macedonian and its people as citizens of Northern Macedonia.
In New York, Greek representative Adamantios Vasilakis said that Greece did not want the people of the former Yugoslav republic to be called Macedonian because that was the name of people living in northern Greece.
Macedonian newspaper Vecer said on October 9 2008 that Greece would, as it had blocked Macedonia's Nato aspirations, also block its attempts to join the European Union.
On October 8, it was reported by Greek daily To Vima that Greek prime minister Costas Karamanlis and foreign minister Dora Bakoyannis were drawing up a strategy on the name issue, local daily To Vima. The daily said that Karamanlis was likely to assume full responsibility for eventual rejection of Nimetz' proposal if it did not suit Greece's interests. If the Greek government rejected Nimetz's proposal, it was almost certain that Karamanlis would veto Macedonia's bid to start EU accession talks in December, To Vima said.
US defence secretary Robert Gates visited Ohrid in Macedonia on October 8 for a regional meeting of defence ministers. The US is keen for the name dispute to be resolved so that progress can be made with getting Macedonia into Nato.
On October 6, Macedonia's leaders clashed on what the country's position should be on the name dispute. Prime minister Nikola Gruevski has called for a "double name" solution that would see one name for international use and another in engagements with Greece, but Macedonian president Branko Crvenkovski insisted that further concessions were needed before a deal could be achieved. Crvenkovski said he that would accept a name with a geographical adjective that would not jeopardise Macedonia's national interests.

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Comments by Biljana - 13:14 09 Oct 2008 |  | I thought there are no
Macedonian in Greece.At least they are claiming that. So Mr. Vasilakis, why are you so afraid for the Macedonians in R of Macedonia to be called Macedonians.You said. Real Macedonian are the ones in Greece. So they are Macedonian in Greece.And you confirmed it. |  | Comments by Makedon - 14:57 09 Oct 2008 |  | He is saying that the Greek citizens that live in the Province of Macedonia are called Macedonians. Greek Macedonians outnumber you Skopians, Greek Macedonia is bigger than FYROM and yet you want to monopolize their Macedonian identity! |  | Comments by Doktor Teknikal - 17:19 09 Oct 2008 |  | The FYROMians are always howling about being denied their identity but what of mine and 2.5 million+ others-they have the temerity to accuse Hellas, the rightful owners of the term "Macedonia" and all that comes with it of denying them an identity yet their hypocricy and idiocy prevents them from realising that they are firstly outnumbered, and secondly usurpers of history manufactured merely to serve a Communistic agenda. They are a false statelet, a cancer of Europe and hijacker of everything around them as to create an identity-they have nothing of their own and need to steal from other nations in an attempt to forge some form of identity given their pathetic contribution to the world-I would say cowardice and terrorism but I digress.
I dare any FYROMian to prevent credible evidence to suggest they are what they claim they are-it is always the case they allege that modern Hellenes have no relations to the ancient Hellenes and yet what is to say they are descended from the Macedonians then themselves?-thus far there is and there will be no evidence to prove their claims save for the idiotic ravings of crackpot historical revisionists and plagiarists such as Tentov, Stefov, Donski et. al. whose work are only fit for toilet paper at very best. Were it the case that Hellas was in the wrong then these fools' works would have been acknowledged as such and the world over would have marvelled at Voukefalovski and co. yet for all intents and purposes, any university on the planet save for FYROM's "educational (read, brainwashing) institutions" with a Classics Department teaches that the Macedonians were a Hellenic people who spoke a dialect of north-western Hellenic not far removed from Aeolian or Acarnanian Hellenic. Countless findings have indicated the Hellenic character of Macedonia, artefacts have indicated as much and the Pella katadesmos is a devastating piece of evidence to further prove this. Ι needn't go any further as there are mountains of evidence that the world willfully ignores as an act of appeasement to the nations that support FYROM and its mission of destabilising the Balkans (for those lovely petro-dollars and other vested interests). Yet I will await with great enthusiasm for whatever mental-flatulence the FYROMians can come up with, I am in need of some amusement.
Face it FYROM-you are frauds, thieves and cowards who antagonise and when are rightly censured/beaten cry foul; the next veto will come down hard and the farce will end once and for all.
|  | Comments by gjorgjievski - 00:18 10 Oct 2008 |  | Dr.Teknikal: You are advised top stop spewing rancor and poison my friends, as you will get yourself a cancer.
R.Macedonia and the Macedonians do not try to monopolize anything, it is the Greeks who are monoploizing both macedonian nomenclature and everything related to it. Unfortunately for you Greeks Macedonia is much larger that the part you conquered in 1913, and everybody in the area has the right to the macedonian heritage, not just ellas. |  | Comments by PlanetEarth - 00:47 10 Oct 2008 |  | Macedonians do not claim to be decendents of the ancient Macedonians, most don't anyway. Greece dragged ancient history into this. And as a result Greece has been exposed. Todays greeks are not purely decendents of the ancient peoples of teh region. To agree some are but there is so much mixed blood that no one has the right to claim sole ownership of the regions history as greece has. In fact I would put my life on the fact that there is as much slav blood in greece as the republic of Macedonia. And there is "hellene" blood in Macedonia as well.
So lets get over this and get on with being human beings! |  | Comments by Doktor Teknikal - 01:47 10 Oct 2008 |  | Gjorgievski-then why pray, does your diaspora belch venomous propaganda against Hellas and fund pseudo-scientific research which has tried to link us to Ethiopians-studies I might add that have been debunked thoroughly by world-leading geneticists such as Cavalli-Sforza for example; lest I go into your education system which prints maps showing portions of other sovereign nations as your own, money showing the White Tower of Thessaloniki, distortions of historical events and sensationalisation of all news items, most notably the recent military maneouvers which every sovereign nations is entitled to do within its boundaries; were it the case we wanted to intimidate you we could and could level your country in minutes-but the last thing we need is to do exactly what the US and Turkey want us to do in initiating conflict in the Balkans so they can accomplish their ends and make a grab for the petro-dollars.
Quite simply, you are petulant children who when rightly admonished squeal-you ought to look at your own wretched state of affairs and ill-treatment of your minorities before you dare to speak. Last I checked your country was nearly dismembered because of segregation and ill-treatment of Albanians not ours. Your people are synonymous with cowardice and lies and ally themselves as they would change their underpants-first it was as Fascists to the Germans and Bulgarians and then as Communists-and now aligning with the Turks who for centuries had oppressed you, murdered you, abducted your children and committed unspeakable evil-but then the mantra "the enemy's enemy is my friend" must hold true for you, but rest assured the Turks only love you in as far as exacting some kind of evil upon Hellas.
Onto another point, get it through your skull, there was never a sovereign Macedonian entity and this nonsense about 1913 etc. and Treaty of Bucharest relates to the region being liberated from the yolk of the sickly and crumbling Ottoman Empire and not a nation whose territories were annexed-nobody else on the planet shares in such a distorted, dare I say, retarded, view of history.
That said, the issue is extremely simple-Hellas is thoroughly opposed to anybody stealing its history and cultural identity; and particularly incensed that people that came a thousand years after the death of Alexander the Great and who had absolutely nothing to do with Macedonia continue to do so; the fact that you happen to live in the region does not entitle you to steal my history and distort it for your own sick purposes of creating an identity. And on that note, Bulgaria has a region called 'Pirin Macedonia' and why am I not quite as offended-simple; because they do not distort history, steal historical figures and create imagined genocides/ethnocides and so on. Spare me the stupidity and show a little respect for the people who suffered in genocides-the Jews, Native Americans, Maori, Aboriginals, Pontians, Kurds, Armenians, lest I regrettably forget any other people, your pathetic bunch did not-it is an affront to history and an insult to the memory of innocents lost to such monsters to make such claims.
Stop the drivel, and the repeated provocations and maybe we'll feel generous and find some amicable solution-I'm thinking along the lines of dumping the lunatic nationalistic and jingoistic Gruevski government which has used cheap populism to appeal to its constituents but which will backfire spectacularly-Saakashvilli anybody?
It's up to you FYROM, you have angered Serbia in your appeasement to the US-but the Republican gravy-train you had for 8 years is ending very soon and US foreign policy will have to adjust swiftly as they have alienated Europe and antagonised Russia; they can ill-afford to make diplomatic blunders given how they are held in such low esteem. You have time and again made baseless claims which have been throughly debunked and your propaganda merchants can only continue to fill the internet with their smut.
My dear charlatans, in the end you will prove to be only the pawns you have always been; the spineless hordes who would bend on a whim and act only as a lapdog.
Pitiful.
That's my piece-my intelligence is wasted on you post-Communistic knuckle-draggers. |  | Comments by PlanetEarth - 15:08 10 Oct 2008 |  | Once again a greek claiming we are trying to "steal" your history..
This is not about history, greece keeps digging up the issue to justify the dispute. It is an identity which greece had little concern for for centuries till now. It is beyond that now. The name will stick.
I would be interested to know that if in future there is a discovery made that proves Alexander was actually Illyrian, would greece proudly proclaim them an ancient greek tribe? |  | Comments by Doktor Teknikal - 04:14 11 Oct 2008 |  | And wouldn't you just know it-the good Doktor was proven correct in FYROM being American lapdogs. By recognising Kosovo you have made a smooth move: you have effectively alienated a powerful ally in Serbia and moreoever, Russia who are becoming a super-power and sided with only 3 other American puppet states and your American godfathers.
Now as for you PlanetEarth; my suggestion is that you actually come back down to earth from outer-space or the Twilight Zone where FYROM's version of history might have one iota of credibility and learn some history-Hellas has always claimed Macedonia and everything associated to it as Hellenic however due to the Ottoman occupation this was extended to encompass the wider geographical area that FYROMistan is in whereby leading to the beginning of Macedonism which took full effect under Tito. Read Hammond or Badian or for that matter any other Oxbridge (Oxford and Cambridge University) or reputable scholar and they will unanimously agree that Macedonia is and always was Hellenic; the few that don't have a political agenda and do not agree not so much because of their ignorance but because of the US realpolitik climate and their efforts to destabilise the Balkans. Further, FYROM claims exclusivity of the name by its deeds and words and with its provocative acts of imagined genocides, renaming airports etc., antagonism towards it neighbours and house of cards 'facts', and its lunatic diaspora who are in need of a reality check:they are more than quick to dehumanise Hellenes and then squeal like hogs when they are rightly ignored, corrected or laughed at. FYROM's ridiculous jingoism has shown how pathetic they are. Hellas has even given a concession of using the name 'Macedonia' for that artificial state but with a suitable prefix-if that is not a compromise then I don't know what is. Hellas has been overwhelmingly patient, but naturally FYROM will reject and in the process look even more insane a la Milosevic in the 90s; the Balkans do not need nor want another nationalist lunatic like Gruevski; a punchdrunk former boxer who has diverted attention away from FYROM's wretched poverty in a vainglorious attempt to become the modern-day Goce Delchev; and it's a shame because the average person of FYROM is being duped by these politicians and being brainwashed with a pseudo-identity to make them feel better about themselves-terrible really. But then it can all end if FYROM cuts the nonsense and wakes up to itself.
Hellas need not claim that which is not theirs-and for the stability of the Balkans the nationalistic and jingoistic hordes that follow Gruevski and his idiotic crusade must be vanquished; we do need any more ethnic tension because of the US playing games with everybody for the almighty dollar; that's been done and look at the human cost.
FYROM it's up to you: Hellas can sit back and veto you till the cows come home; whether you like it or not we are your meal ticket and we are benevolent only so far.
|  | Comments by david orchard - 12:23 13 Oct 2008 |  | Re the great Makedonija name debate - has anybody thought about re-naming Greece as the "Former Ottoman Province of Yunanistan" ? That would be equally accurate, and actually rather a Good Idea. |  | Comments by alexander the great - 23:08 13 Oct 2008 |  | Facts are facts.....macedonian culture, history, artifacts, alexander the great, St.Cyril & methidius were all hellenics. Please read wikipedia....the most unbiased encyclopedia. The FYROM was called Varder Banovina....go back to that name....you are Bulgarians who were left out of the Bulgarian Borders & you manufacured A new history, church & language. You are a tiny improvised tiny insignificant land locked state with no economy. The hellenic History of Macedonia is not for sale & if we did not care about the issue then why did we spill blood to get our ancestral lands back. You FYROM's are barking up the wrong tree. You are not Macedonian & never will be & worst of all the peasants you have in disporia are even a bigger joke calling them selves Macedonians. It an insult to the hellenic integrety. Go check with your Bulgarian forefathers who started all these problems & it certainly was not our greek great grand fathers. The joke just has to end you Skopjian slavs are of Bulgarian Stock just like Delchev, tatarchev, Gruev & co. You slavs are suffering an identity crisis....also rename your airport clowns |  |
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