Macedonian political leaders increasingly obstinate –Greek newspaper 15:08 Mon 05 May 2008 - Rene Beekman With the June 1 polls in Macedonia nearing, Macedonia’s political leaders were becoming “increasingly obstinate” in negotiations over the name dispute with Greece, Greek daily Ekathimerini said on May 5.
Ekathimerini said that Greek diplomats were concerned about the impact on negotiations of what the newspaper referred to as “intransigence in the neighbouring country”.
The newspaper claimed that Macedonian president Branko Crvenkovski’s statement on May 3 that “we will not allow Greece’s right to veto our accession to Nato... to become the right to determine our country’s name” had ruffled many feathers. Greece’s New Democracy secretary Lefteris Zagoritis was quoted as asking Macedonia to “abandon its historically baseless fixations and expansionist aspirations so a mutually acceptable solution can be found”.
Greece did also not accept Macedonia’s intention to put any settlement of the dispute up for a referendum. “We do not regard as an agreement something that is submitted to any kind of review process,” Ekathimerini quoted a statement from the Greek foreign ministry as saying. 
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Comments by Peter - 21:53 05 May 2008 |  | First of all ,Republic of Macedonia did agree to change its constitution in regards to Northern Greece.Greece is afraid of recognizing the Macedonian Minority in Greece. This and only problem Greece is afraid of.The Macedonian name has nothing to do with other problems Greece is preaching. |  | Comments by james gabriel - 22:42 05 May 2008 |  | PETER WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MACEDONIAN,S MINORITE ? MACEDONIAN WAS ONE GREEK STATE LIKE MANY OTHER !SO MACEDONIAN MEAN GREEK ! FRIEND , HOW COME ALEXANDRE AT ATHENS YALE !THANKS GOD! TO BE BORN GREEK ! ABOUT GREECE IS AFRAID !YOU WRONG SIR, THEY DON,T BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REASON ! SEE GREECE DON,T THREAT ANY BODY ,NEITHER COPY OTHERS HISTORY !HAVE VISIT ALL THOSE COUNTRY,S ! HAVE NOTICE YOU LANGUAGE IS BULGARIA,N MIXED WITH ALBANIA,N !WHICH NOTHING WRONG OF IT BUT TO CLAM YOU ARE MACEDONIAN,S THAT IS INSANE TO ME !AFTER ALL HOW COME ALEXANDRE TRY TO SPREAD THE HELLENIC CULTURE ? YOU TEL ME , BY THE WAY FROM WHAT SCHOOL HAVE YOU GRADUATE ? GREECE HAS MACEDONIAN MINORITES SPARTAN MINORITES ATHENIAN MINORITES RUMALIOTS THESSALIAN AND MORE ! HOPE THIS MAKE YOU HAPPY ! TO ME THE LAND YOU ARE ON BELONGS HALF TO BULGARIA AND HALF TO GREECE AND WILL HAPPEN YOU LIKE IT OR NOT ! WE MUST BE OBJECTIVE FRIEND ! GOD BLESS YOU !Y NEED HELP , FROM Y, FRIEND. (JAMES THE MACEDON GREEK!) BY ! |  | Comments by john - 06:40 06 May 2008 |  | first of all alexander the great spoke a barbic language,nothing greek,second of all he did not spread hellenic around,alexander did not even know what is hellenic,third of all,when the athenians spoke too him in greek he did not reply because he couldnt understand what they were saying,now the athenians already recognised the ancient macedonians as barbarians,now james gabriel open a english history book and read and stop reading the greek propaganda websites,ok finally,everyone has the rights too call there country how they wish,and the greeks will be pressured with the name for a very long time because macedonia is not changing its name :),so get over it and live with it,if macedonia was really greek there wouldnt be a country called greece it wouldve been all macedonia but no macedonia had borders with athenia,there wasnt a name called greece it was athenia,so why dont the greeks change there name too athenia! |  | Comments by Peter - 14:50 06 May 2008 |  | The President and Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia are right to put the name dispute to a referendum for the Macedonians to decide their identity. Greece can not dictate to another countrys to change its constitutional name.The UN and EU must go after Greece to accept the fact that there are minorities in Greece such as Macedonians,Albanians, Vlahs, Roma and Turkish and to follow the basic Human Rights for these minorities before these institutions can ask the Republic of Macedonia to negotiate its constitutional name.Greece is acting like a spoiled child, crying foul just because they are the problem in this dispute.What can Macedonia do to Greece that they feel so threatend? Their Human Rights violations and denial that minorities do exist in Greece, that is the most feared problem for Greece,not the name issue.Greece today are learning the Macedonian history in their scholes which is wrong.Greece should learn their own in their scholes.The minister of defence of Greece went in so far as saying the prime minister of greece is Macedonian when we all know his family came from Asia Minor,that does not even making him a Greek let alone Macedonian. This only shows how far the Greeks will go to claim for their own when it is NOT THEIRS. |  | Comments by Peter - 15:54 06 May 2008 |  | Gabriel, you dont even sound like Greek, but I will try to explain one think; Alexander the Great was Macedonian not Greek. When the court marshal begin for treason of a Macedonian general, Alexander asked him in what lanquage he will address the people, his answer was in Macedonian.I am proud Macedonian my friend, proud Macedonian of our history.Here is somthing you could read by Steve Gligorov; On Oct.20-1995 finalruling in the case of Uranio Toxo and others v. Greece. Application no. 74989/01. The court unanimously held that Greece violated article 11 an 6 of the European Convention because Greece deniedGreek citizens of Macedonian national origin, who are a minority in Greece, the right to freedom of assembly, freedom of association, and equal protection of Laws.Member of the "EFA"{EuropeanFree Alliance} Rainbow Political Party of the Macedonian minority in Greece alleging government sponsored discrimination based on national origin, ethnicity and religious discrimunation. Nearly three years later, Greece has not taken any affirmative steps to address and abide by the Court decision. As a result, on April 17,2008,the EFA-European Political Party, in cooperation with the Federationof Western THrace Turks in Europe,EFA-Rainbow{associationof the Macedonian minority of Greece}and the Federal Union of the European NationalatiesOrganised an international panel discussion in the European Parliament in Brussel titled "Ignored Minorities in Greece"Western Thrace Turks and Macedonians" The EFA message in Brussels was clear: Greeces decision to veto an ivitation to the Republic of Macedonia to join NATO is an irresponsible act motivated by its refusal to recognise the existance of a distinct Macedonian ethnic identity in the Republic of Macedonia as well as in Greece, which in part led to a violation of Article 11 and 6 under the case of Ourani Toxo v.Greece. The Human Rights violations in Greece as represented for the European Parliament because EU member state Greece refuses to abide by the European Court ruking says EFA.NOTE: All you Greeks read this one and think what your government is saying. The lies you have been fed about your distorted history.I think you know more about Macedonian history then Greek. |  | Comments by Milen - 12:26 07 May 2008 |  | Hi people, don't fight! Truth will come soon and the world will know who are the Macedonians and the rest around them... I dedicated this page to my Homeland Bulgaria and started to read books and information from all possible sources.
http://www.myspace.com/atanasovmilen
have tried to translate in English some books and materials about this issue. There are many lies about all of us together. I had to come to Australia so to see everything clear from a far that Macedonians and Bulgarians are brothers in blood - here in Australia the Macedonians when they meet me they call me "brother" ... THERE in the Balkans all the hate between Macedonians and Bulgarians and Greeks are initiated and encouraged by "third parties"... MACEDONIANS and BULGARIANS WERE THE SAME PEOPLE - called differently at different times. IT WAS AAAAALLLL PELASGIAN people called first by the Greeks TRAKI (Wild - savage) - it became a ethno-name . Then called MOESI (MISI),and finally when the Romans came called us Vulgari (Bulgari) - i.e the simple mob - nothing special....Same as we call the Albanians in KOSVO now KOSOVARS....so after 500 years someone will claim that KOSOVARS are not Albanians and are separate nation....So they called the PELASGI = TRAKI then MOESI, THEN BULGARI....The truth is that we are the INDIGENOUS people in the Balkans. Greeks come later and try to claim many things - JUST because they HAD THE ART - LITERACY , ALPHABET, taken may be from the THRACIANS itself... even this truth will come out one day... and world will know that in the Balkans live ONE PEOPLE - ALL MACEDONIANS, BULGARIANS, EVEN GREEKS AND ROMANIANS ARE 90% one blood people. language changed - depending on where we lived... As I hear the Macedonians here in AUSTRALIA speak like my grandmother - SAME . My granny use to say she is BULGARIAN. But in Bulgarian school they taught us not to speak like OUR GRANDMOTHERS - it's not good they said . SO... But read please - read what the diligent monks wrote thousands of years ago about Bulgarians, Macedonians and Greeks...read http://www.myspace.com/atanasovmilen
|  | Comments by taz - 16:08 07 May 2008 |  | I hate to tell you this but the Pelasgian were Greekread below this is what i found:
Archaeological excavations during the 20th century have unearthed artifacts in areas traditionally inhabited by the Pelasgians (i.e. Thessaly, Attica, and Lemnos). Archaeologists have described Pelasgian material culture as "Neolithic" (i.e. Sesklo and Dimini), "Middle Helladic" (i.e. Minyans) and even "Late Helladic" (i.e. Myceneans). The sites discovered so far possess material evidence indicating that the Pelasgians were either a proto-Greek tribe(s) or at least a tribe(s) akin to the Greeks.[citation needed]
|  | Comments by Albanian KOSOVAR - 17:16 08 May 2008 |  | Hahahaaaa! Mister Greek the GABRIEL! Macedonian language is Bulgarin dialect but has nothing in comen with Albanian language, except the worlds are used same from all Balkan folks! Macedonia was never greece except in the occupation times and if we work with greek logic, Greece is Turkey because turkish ottomans was there for over 5 centuries!!!! Dont sell us the "how good are the Greeks, because we know your being "good" what it means! First apologise to the folks you burned down, killed and deported! When you got Salonika greeks was a minority there! Bullgarians(macedonians), Jews and Albanians was the city's inhabitants! After "greek revolution"which was mean to fight against Turks, you turned your swords against, bulgari, turks, muslims, macedonians, albanians, jews! You never apologiset for that but you played ever the VICTIM! Hahahahah! You have to stop to sell around and bullshiting with ANCIENT "GRECE"! Ancient BALKAN was a mix of cultures and folks which all contributed to build that balkan culture! Hellenic language was just how is now the ENGLISH, but doesnt mean that USA or CANADA are english territories anymore and CANADA and USA or AUSTRALIA are not ENGLISh because of language! Ï think you have a complex which you have to work it out before we all balkan folkes(except serbia, that they use you for their interesses), will start and ignore you and put you names as haters and unhumane! Read different history and only what the greek priest and MEGALOIDEA wrote!
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