Vardarskans are sadenned because they know quited well the whole world sees them for what they are: Slavs and Albanians, certainly not Makedones. Mr Gruie, please continue to amuse us. I strongly recommend writing a few letters to Eurovision and Mugabbe the honorable president of some African nation.

The word macedonia in most languages means a fruit salad. Why not rename Skopje's Macedonia as "Fruitsaladia", then everyone could be happy.

To be Macedonian is to be Greek!

Parliamentary speaker of the Republic of Macedonia is right on asking UN to look into the Greek violations againts the Macedonian minority in Greece.The treaty of Serves on Audust 10,1920 under Articles 7,8 and 9 the Greek government wasto undertake certain obligations regarding "the protection of the non-Greek national minorities in Greece".These Articles specificaly stated free use of languages and education.initially greece sought to neglect its obligations,however in March 1925 the League of Nations directed Greece to fulfill its obligations. By May 1925 an elementary school reader was published in the Macedonian language,it was known as the ABECEDAR.The ABCEDAR was to be used by Macedonian children in Macedonian schools which were yet to open in Aegean Macedonia.Serbia and Bulgaria objected the ABCEDAR being printed in Macedonian.What occurrednext is truly a rare example,the Greek representative at the League of NationsVasilis Dendramis responded by defending the Macedonian language as being"Neigther Bulgarian,nor Serbian but anindependent language."The highranking greek official representing the Greek State not only recognized the existance of the Macedonian identity,but openly defended and supported it.However,the ABCEDAR was destroyed,but ewmaines as a reminder to the Greek government of the Macedonians as a seperate national entity.On November 1932 a Greek newspaper clearly describing the level of Macedonian awarness."What we have in Macedonia are neigther Greeks nor Bulgarian nor Serbs but the Macedonian people, the Macedonian munority which, in spite of all the blows and in spite of all the repression,preserves its economic and its national existance and a seperate culture."It is these Macedonians states another correspondent who wrote"Clench their teeth stabbornly speak their Macedonian language of their own,for a free Macedonia."To solve the problem in the Balkans need to recognize the existance of Macedonian minority in Greece,to recognize there are Macedonian in Bulgaria and for both neighbours to recognize the distinct Macedonian language and ethnicity.Greece has not fear from the Republic of Macedonia in any way.Greeces armed forces are at 240000 to Macedonias 8000.Is Greece realy afraid of an invation by the Republic of Macedonia?What Greece and the UN are doing now is totaly againts logic.The only thing for the Republic of Macedonia is to do STOP NEGOTIATIOS WITH UN AND GREECE.The Macedonian people can not and will not change their identity,period!The Greek part of Macedonia is a province,Republic of Macedonia is an independent country,has nothing to do with Greece.Of course, Greece is afraid to recognize the Macedonian minority within their teritory.The USA can also claim Georgia has no right to exist as there is a State in USA by the same name.In Ohio there is a town called Macedonia,also a town called Athens in both USA and Canada.Is there a logic to all of this what Greece is demanding from the Republic of Macedonia?

I guess that if the Georgians were whining about how they are the real Georgians and that one day they would liberate their brothers and lands in the Americas, if they kept bringing forward manufactured studies of how the US Americans do not exist, how their DNA is from dolphins while they are truly Arrian, if they claimed that any great American to ever live in Georgia was theirs by right of history, if they claimed that they were in the US 7.000 years before Colombus's caravels arrived and then whine again about how the evil dolphinmen from afar came and conquered their lands, if they produced Shakespear and say he wrote proto-Georgian as they say about Homer, if they produced the Glastonbury Tales and claim it has nothing to do with the British isles but are instead a generous meal order for their Georgian Kings, as they have done with the Rosetta Stone, if they produced every American census ever made and claim that whoever was called a US citizen in the state was in reality an oppressed Georgian, as they have done with every Ottoman census there is, if they insisted that it is them that taught the Americans how to read and speak, as they have done regarding all Slavs, if they insisted that there are 2.500.000 Georgians in a region of 2.500.000 people who claim they are American Georgians and then the US had allowed them to form a political party that achieved to attract some 1.000 votes in the whole of the State of Georgia and they still would whine and complain how the other 2.499.000 had not the courage to speak up, if they circulated maps of the State of Georgia being a part of their country and above all if that country was, let's say Alabama, then I am sure that they would have the same problems as Greeks have with those people...

Hey Pete Greece doesnt want anything its OBVIOUS....17 years PROVE IT! No war NO aggression....GREECE ROCKS DUDE! THE people want the truth and we all know ALexander the Great was not slavic nor is there a MACEDONIAN language (until just recently )TO be Macedonian is to be GREEK so lets not try to STEAL history... Sorry if the truth hurts but ..... The Greeks are a very tough lot of people they have sustained death in wars, destruction of property and occupation of their citizens for hundreds & hundreds of years ... WHat makes you think the name issue will do to them? (LAUGHS) This is a MINOR issue GREECE thinks FYROM and the name issue they are claiming is a JOKE !!!!!!!!!! Grueski is such a comedian the whole EU thinks hes a charlatan!

Unfortunately, Mr. Gruevski is showing that he really is not interested in solving this issue. The inclusion of the rights of the Macedonians of Northern Greece and the recognition of the Macedonian Church are just ploys to derail the talks. It will be much easier to deal with these issues once Macedonia "joins the club" instead of fighting from the outside. The Greeks certainly have to remove their heads from the lower regions of their bodies over human rights issues, but Gruevski has to learn how to play like an adult and focus on the name issue. Successful nations also have a clear separation of church an state - the MOC issue should be left to the Church to solve - not the Government. The Macedonian Diaspora who have shown little interest in investing or helping Macedonia can fight for their rights through the EU with their own funding!

It sounds like a joke.

To my Greek friends,did you understend what Mr.Vasilis Dendramis said in 1925? Did you understand what a Greek newspaper [Rizospastis]writen in 1932?Do you understand that Greece has been accused of violating Human Rights againts the Macedonian minority in Greece by the courts of Stratsburg and Brussels,they are members of EU?Do you understand why a Greek Professor Athena Skoulariki who said"The greek arguments are not convincing because it is a fundamental right of all people to freely choose their name. We insist that our neighbor has no tight to use the name Macedonia,ignoring the fact that during the 19th and 20th century there was a wider region called Macedonia"Do you know what Ex-Premier of Greece said in 1995? here is his words"From the moment I first saw it I recognizwd Skopje theme in its true dimension.What made me uneazy from the beginning was not the name of this country...the problem for me was how to avoid creating a second minority problem in Western Macedonia.If the problem of the Slavo-Macedonian minority in Western Macedonia is added to the Muslim minority, which sadly ,with our errors is a dangerous development,the situation will become unsustanable for Greek external politics.."emphasized the former Greek Premier in the introduction of T. Skinalis book"For the name of Macedonia"The Greek history is nothing Greek,but a Macedonian history that Greece has adopted as its own.What Premier Gruevski is asking is to make sure that the World know what is going on in Greece with the Macedonian minority,and the Human Rights violations againts the Macedonians.I dont understand,why Greece is so afraid of the Macedonian quastion.Do you know that Gruevskis grandfather fought for Greece and gave his life for it?The Macedonian people fought for their country,and lost blood for those rights.Now then, why cant we as civilized people agree on one thing,"All people on this earth have the right to chose thei own name and get along with each other in peace."

If the name, Macedonia, is Greek, and if slav-Macedonians have Bulgarian roots, and if the ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe, do you still have a "right" to call your country Macedonia, and the people, Macedonian? Is that "self-determination" or stealing another people's heritage?

Look Macedonia is actually acting on the Balkans like Russia in the former Soviet Union territory. Skopje is trying artificially to open minority problems in all of it's neighbors. The claim Macedonian minority in Bulgaria, in Greece. In fact in both countries there are no people who recognize them self as Macedonian nationals. May be there is also Macedonian minority on Mars also?

The Republic of Macedonia acts as it should,to protect its identity.The problem is you [cons&pete]Macedonia does not act as Russia.Greece is up in armes and claimes Macedonia is stilling the Greek name.Understand one thing,part of Macedonia was given to Greece in 1913 by the Big Powers,therefore it is not yours.Greece is making a mistake by claiming Macedonia is Greek,same on the subject of Alexander the Great.Greece is back to mythology.I like to suggest to you the following;see what former PM Ralis said to the New York Times on Dec.1903,PM.Mitsotakis,Rizospastis in 1932 ,Anastasia Karakasidou Athena Skoularakis and many more prominent Greeks on the Macedonian question.When you do,we can have a miningful disscution on this subject.Well, I am from the Greek part of Macedonia,and I know what is going on,and was going on in my area.You people from Greece proper know what you have been told by the Greek governmemt just for political reasons and not the truth.Kostas Karamanlis is in a bind with only 2 votes in parliament,but he is using the Macedonian reason to hold onto the power for political reasons only.What PM Gruevski is asking is the same as Rizospastis of 1932,Anastasia Karakasidou,Athena Skoulariki and Vasilis Dendramanis in 1925 at the League of Nations.

To be Macedonian is to be Greek! END of story. FYROM should get wise and just use NORHTERN or UPPER Macedonia (luckily the Hellenes offered those names to you). But FYROM doesnt want peace NATO or the EU.

Dear FYROMian Peter, The Greeks of course are not afraid of an invasion. They are sick and tired of others trying to steal their history. Greeks never had a problem with this little state's existence, they only had a problem with this state's citizens stealing Greek history. What is really interesting is that officially, the FYROMian state does not claim any link to the ancients. Museums in Skopje, which I hope you have visited, since you are an ethnic FYROMian, still support that the country's hitory begins in the medieveal years and do not claim ancient relics as theirs. The same applies to their highest officials, who openly have stated that the ethnic FYROMians are Slavs and have no link to the ancients. Even Gruevski, a clearly extremist PM, has not openly claimed any link to the ancients. BUT! Despite the official position of the FYROMian state, the extremist (according to FYROM's ex Foreign Minister D. Malevski) population of FYROM are nurtured on these unhistorical claims, are dreaming of "liberating" their old lands and thus make it impossible for good relations under this name. It does not matter if a state has the capacity to today militarily harm a neighbor. History has shown that rarely is a war fought by just two states... And the fanaticism of the FYROMians under the guidance of their state is clearly hampering any viable solution. What is most interesting is that FYROM was "driven" to enmity against Greece, the ONLY neighbor that had no territorial aspirations against it. Bulgaria always claimed that the "ethnic FYROMians" are really Bulgarians and to this day it has NOT recognized any such nationality and that NOT BECAUSE OF ITS NAME, but because it considers them Bulgarians! Albania always eyes the western regions, where Albanians mainly reside, boasting an amazing percentage of at least 25% and after seeing what happened in Kossovo... The Albanian leaders already talk of disolution and the war against the Albanian minority in FYROM just 7 years ago is just the start.. As for Serbia? Well, it justly considers itseld as the rightful heir of Yugoslavia and FYROM is a renegade province. ONLY GREECE had no aspirations whatsoever and only Greece would intervene if Albania and Bulgaria shared this country, mainly out of fear that its position south of them would be compromised... And what happened? They were driven to such an absurd war of ideology and clear history that they made the only people who would stand for them, not because of love but because of fear for the Albanians and the Bulgarians, Greece's historical enemies... Apart from that, it is the ONLY state that was allowed to form with such a multinational population and that mainly Albanian. Have you ever thought about WHY no other such state was formed and why any such territory is being awarded with "independence"? It is clear that FYROM is scheduled to disolve and the lands to be shared chiefly among Albania and Bulgria. The Greek people would revolt at such a development and that would destabilize the situation. This is why this plan was devised to make Greeks sigh at relief the moment they learn that FYROM is annexed by Albania and Bulgaria, something that would br unimaginable 20 years ago... Of course you will disagree with this analysis, but see into it and you will see that there are many reasons to be afraid of and that your real enemies are not Greece, who only wants to keep its history but Albania who wants lands and Bulgaria who wants its Bulgarians back.

Peter, the issue has nothing to do with what you think Macedonia is, what you call yourselves nor about minorities. Truth be told, nobody really cares or could be bothered with what you call yourselves. See this is truth behind the name issue, you Skopjians still have territorial claims on Greek Macedonia. Don’t play the little innocent landlocked country that’s fighting for its minorities because in truth no one cares what you call yourselves. Even Bulgaria has a Macedonia and Greece doesn’t care because unlike you guys they don’t refer to Greek Macedonia as occupied territory that belongs to them. If you think that Greek Macedonia is rightfully yours then why don’t fight for it? Why don’t you come and get it? And by the way , it’s THESSALONIKI, not Solun.

Just hold on Mr.G.Mr.GK and pseudo Slavo,Solun was called way before the Big Powers gave you part of Macedonia.The Big Idea of Greece goes as follows;Belgrade,Sofia and Ankara are Greek.Who the hell are you kidding?Did you read about the Greeks are saying about Macedonia? would you like me to tell you more,or are you just ignorant uneducated individuals who cant put two and two together?Here again what a French newspaper write on July 10,1998."Greece condemned for discrimination againts Macedonian minority.The European Court of Human Rights on Friday condemned greece for having banned an association called "The House of Macedonian Civilization"The Court ruled that Greece had violated the applicants to liberty of association"The plaintiffs come from Florina, Northern Greece.It awarded the applicants a total of $13.300 in costs.The Greek administratio and court had refused to register the association,ruling that its objective was to create a Macedonian Slav State with access to the Aegean Sea.Is this a joke on the part of Greece or not?These are the type of people like yourselfs,who at any cost will lie to the world.Granted,you have succeeded up untill now,and now it is Macedonias turn to tell the world the truth of our history.Furthermore, I am not FYROM,I am Macedonian.Possibly you are a left over Turk?Both our countries were under Ottoman Empire for 500 years,does that make us Turks?You are a bunch of sheep led by your government astray for only political reasons,nothing else.Wake-up and put two and two together,then you will see the truth.One more thing,Alexander the Great was European,Greeks are not European.Greeks are Afro-Asian,obviously he could never been Greek,but Macedonian.Macedonians were and are not Greek,get it through your heads.My comments are factual,unlike yours distorted as usual Greek propaganda that holds no water.Here are some more facts;On Oct.20th 2005 final ruling in the case of Uranio Toxo and others V.Greece.Application#74989/o1.The court unanimously held that Greece violated Article 11 and 6 of the European Convention because Greece denied Greek citizens of Macedonian national origin, who are a minority in Greece,the right to freedom of assembly,freedom of association,and equal protection of Laws.Member of the "EFA"[European Free Alliance]Rainbow Political Party of the Macedonian minority in Greece brouht suit againts Greece alleging government sponsored discrimination based on national origin,ethnicity and religious discrimination.On April 17,2008,the Courts decision was not addressed by the Greek government.On this date the EFA-European Political Party,in cooperation with the Federation of Western Thrace Turks in Europe[ABTTF]and EFA Rainbow [Association of the Macedonian minority of greece]and the Federal Union of the European Nationalaties [FUEN]organized an international panel discussion in the European Parliament,in Brussels titled"Ignored Minorities in Greece Western Thrace Turks and Macedonians"The EFA message in Brussels was clear.Greeces decision to veto an invitation to the Republic of Macedonia to join NATO is an irresponsible act motivated by its refusal to recognize the rxistance of a distinct Macedonian rthnic identity in the Republic of Macedonia as well as in Greece,which in part led to a violation of Article 11 and 6 under the case of Ouranio ToxoV.Greece.The Human Rights violations in Greece as represented for the European Parliament because EU member State, Greece,refused to abide by the European Court ruling says EFA.I dont think we should masticate same subject day in day out. If you Greeks dont get it yet it is too bad.

hey peter,The Romans and Byzantines called it THESSALONIKI WAY BEFORE you slavs were in the region so GET OVER IT! Oh by the way BITCH, you're a Vardarskan trying steal greek history, culture and cities and if you want greek macedonia then why dont you stand up and fight for it??????? Cheers you Vardaskan bitch

Peter, now seriously I am Ukrainian and I live in Thessaloniki. The sister city of rome was never nor will it ever be slavic and trust me no one here, whether slavic, greek, turkish, albanian or whatever our ethnic background is, wants you here anyways. Thessaloniki is a Greek city and the pictures you skopjians put on facebook w/ your flag on the white tower is aggressive and racist behaviour. Solun never nor will it ever exist so dont waste your short life on an unrealistic dream. How about claiming Tirana as Skopjian city? You can say it used to be called Torun!

I was founded in 315 BC by the Greek King Cassander of Macedon. He christianed me Thessaloniki which means "Victory of Thessalians" in Greek. When the Romans came, they loved me and adored me with jewels. So beautiful was I that the Imperial City of Constantinople raised me to the status of Symvasileuousa, the Co-Queen City of the Romans. Roman emperors and empresses visited me and lavished gifts on me before your people existed. When the dark times came of the ottomans, I was a prisoner but 400 years later I was liberated by my children, the Hellenes. They made me their Symprotevousa, Co-Capital of Athens. And I rule Macedonia of Greece just like out of old. You shall never have me,in the name of my founder Cassander and all the Roman Emperors, I shall rise like a dragon dare you come near me. I may have been a prisoner of the Turks but never shall I be your prisoner!

Dear Peterski, it is part of my job to know a lot about interantional affairs and history, so don;t just think you will be able to pull off your little "feel sorry for th poor FYROMians" story. This Great Greece dream had never anything to do with Sofia or Belgrade although it had to do with Constantinople. The Greeks paid for it as did the Serbs for their Great Serbia dream. Now ir is time for the Albanians and the Bulgarians to have a try. Of course I know what the Greeks say about FYROM as I also know what the FYROMians say about Greece. Posting bull about how the FYROMian minority in Greece is oppressed will not earn you any sympathizers. Especially when it comes from someone who lives in a country which waged war on its own minorities, which executes immgrants and then is drawn to the International Tribunal, a country where people go to vote armed with AKs... Of course Greece is no angel or paradise country and has discriminated in the past and will in the future, but in comparison to FYROM, Greece, and most other countries worldwide, are heaven on earth. The EU has already commented on your inability to comply with any European standards of stability, NATO is just playing you, or do you really think that the US did not know and ENDORSED the Greek "veto"? Of course your fanatic ravings did not allow you to read, let alone comment on the 90% of my post, which was about the future of FYROM and how you were driven to lose your only natural ally in the region...

And of course the only reason why the Rainbow Party did not partake in the last Greek elections was because of the bad publicity it had drawn to the FYROMian claims of hundreds of thousands of oppressed FYROMians.. It was the living proof of the real numbers of the FYROM sympathizers in Greece. And of course no minority in Greece can be called "Macedonian" for this is the name of all Greeks living in Greek Macedonia, minorities included. It is as though you want to name the Skops in Germany Bavarians... No chance... name is taken by another group of people. There cannot be a Macedonian minority in Macedonia, where all its residents are Macedonians. this is why it was and is called Slavophone and of course it also includes any other Slav. They could be called "colors of the Rainbow" if they wished and Greece would have no problem. As for the EU, of course it has taken a clear position to the subject after the endless stream of mails, emails, faxes, papyri, proffessional cards and anything else Gruevski has sent to earn some sympathy statement. He has dealt with the matter so incompetently, that one has to really wonder if his real goal was not to totally disgrace you and devalue any claim you could ever have... No, such incompetence cannot be anything but deliberate.

Actually GK, you're wrong. The official position of FYROM is that they are NOT slavs. Gligorov said they were, but now, Gruevski has decided they are'nt. If you look up their government departments and click on "history", they say that the slavs moved into Macedonia in the 7th century A.D., and mixed with ancient Macedonians, still living in their"homesteads" and the resulting mix of people kept the name "Macedonian". In other words, the slavs were Macedonianised, and so they have a direct link all the way back to ancient Macedonia. I cannot find any other historian, outside of FYROM, who claims this sort of unhistorical nonesense.

To my friend, Peter, I've met you before, and I still respect your opinion. One thing you have, that no-one on this forum has, is personal experience. Sometimes I wonder what opinion I would have if I had your experiences. Regards.

Ok if the SKOPJIANS are not the ancestors of Alexander The Great, why would they want to use his symbols, culture, name and history in order to claim the whole Macedonian land as their own. Think about it !Who gives them this right?Occupying 10% of ancient Macedonian land does not give them the right to steal the Greek-Macedonian history and culture. FYROM & 40% of their country is inhabited by Albanians and another large percentage by Serbians, Bulgarians, etc etc . Who then are these people ? Who are they to consider themselves Macedonians? The Macedonian civilization was part of the ancient Greek civilization. It is part of Greece's national inheritance and it can not be used by anyone else. FINI

Yes, in north Greece, Macedonia, lives 3 million people and 99% are Greeks. In FYROM lives 3 million people and 30% are Albanians, 10% Turks and others, 10% Serbians and Bulgarians and the 50% that are left call themselves the "real" Macedonians, decendent from Alexander the Great. Give me a break. Why don't you call your selves Slavo Macedonians?

I aint got no history, i aint got no identity to call my own, i cant even understand history but it dont matter because i'm the one who steals your own. NOthing but the VARDASKAN the way I'm are, Nothing but the Vardaskan the way I'm are, Love me the Vardaskan the way I'm are,it's Probably the Vardaskan the way I'm are......I'm VARDASKAN everything is what it is!