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Athens, Skopje vie for EU support in name dispute
13:51 Wed 23 Jul 2008 - Clive Leviev-Sawyer
 

Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski has attempted to raise the stakes in his country’s name dispute with Greece by writing to European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso complaining about the plight of a “Macedonian minority in Greece” – irking Athens and sparking a diplomatic counter-offensive by Greece at European level.

Negotiations between Skopje and Athens on the use of the name “Macedonia”, to which Greece objects because it says that it reinforces Skopje’s territorial claims in northern Greece, appear to be making no progress. Gruevski’s attempts, in letters to Greek prime minister Costas Karamanlis and now Barroso, to introduce other issues have sparked allegations that Skopje is trying deliberately to obstruct the negotiations process.

In his letter to Barroso, Gruevski raises the same issues that he put in his earlier letter to Karamanlis, including the recognition of a “Macedonian minority” in Greece and the granting of rights and compensation to citizens of the former Yugoslav republic who left Greece during the 1946/49 civil war.

On July 23 2008, Macedonian newspaper Utrinski Vesnik said that Greece was setting off on a quest to hamper the consequences of Gruevski’s letter to Barroso, Bulgarian news agency Focus reported.

Macedonian and Greek media noted on the same day that Greek deputy foreign minister Yannis Valinakis has met French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner, French European affairs minister Jean-Pierre Jouyet (France currently holds the rotating presidency of the EU) and European Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn to tell them that Athens was prepared for talks only on the name of Macedonia, and rejected attempts to introduce other issues.

The online version of Greek newspaper Kathimerini reported that Greek foreign minister Dora Bakoyannis “appeared unconcerned” when asked about Gruevski’s letter to Barroso. “The EU and all its members already have a full and detailed briefing on Greece’s position,” Bakoyannis said.

Macedonian news agency Makfax reported that the EC was delaying responding to the Gruevski letter.

“All I can tell you for the moment is that Commission has received it on Friday last week and currently it’s being looked at, among other things to determine whether any issues raised in the letter are within the competency of the EU or not,” Makfax quoted an EC spokesperson in Brussels as saying.

The same source said that “it’s a Commission policy never to respond off the cuff to subjects that haven’t been looked at in great detail, technically or politically speaking”.

Kathimerini said that diplomats in Athens said they would be surprised if Barroso honoured the letter with a response as “the supposed existence of a ‘Macedonian minority’ – in Greece or anywhere else – has never been debated in Brussels”.

Greece’s main opposition party PASOK criticised the Greek government’s strategy, saying that it had been wrong of Karamnalis to honour Gruevski with a response in the first place.

“The government has managed to open a dialogue on a non-existent issue,” said PASOK’s shadow minister for foreign affairs, Andreas Loverdos.

After Gruevski wrote to Barroso, the Greek media reacted with indignation.

On July 20, Eleftheri Ora wrote: “Gruevski’s letter changes recipient – they were awaiting it in Athens, but the postman took it to Barroso in Brussels. The newspaper said that on the pretext of the name issue, Skopje was bringing to light “its irredentist claims, the territorial demands, the “Macedonian”' language, and everything else entailed”.

The same day, Eleftheros Typos described it as “Gruevski's new, provocative lies against Macedonia, in letter to Barroso,” adding that Skopje was seeking backing in the EU, resorting to “blatant lies and ungrounded claims in speaking of a ‘political assimilation’ of the ‘Macedonians’ by the Greek state, systematic measures prohibiting the use of the ‘Macedonian’ language, and of discrimination”.

Greece has not limited its diplomatic moves to Europe. In Washington, Greek ambassador to the US Alexandros Mallias briefed the White House, secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, members of the US congress and the presidential campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain on the Greek positions. Greek media reported that a letter also had been sent to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon.

 
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Comments by Nuisance - 12:48 23 Jul 2008
Looks like the mask has fallen off Grueski. Its about time.
Comments by Marjan - 15:10 23 Jul 2008
Getting what is rightfully theirs.
Comments by JAMES GABRIEL - 17:24 23 Jul 2008
dear sir, you can,t tell? those people are crazy ? #1 are one mix mosaic people ,which good,#2 their banana repuplic,s name should be bardaska,n bonovina! #their language is bulgarian dialect albanian some greek, yes so they are talking for macedonia language!the true is that part of macedonia belongs to greece and bulgaria!which soon or late will happen! regards, from, james.
Comments by JAMES GABRIEL - 17:27 23 Jul 2008
dear sir, you can,t tell? those people are crazy ? #1 are one mix mosaic people ,which good,#2 their banana repuplic,s name should be bardaska,n bonovina! # 3their language is bulgarian dialect albanian some greek, yes so they are talking for macedonia language? the true is that part of macedonia belongs to greece and bulgaria!which soon or late will happen! regards, from, james.
Comments by JAMES GABRIEL - 19:49 23 Jul 2008
AGAIN ME, DO THOSE DARDASKAN KNOW IN WHAT CENTURY WE ARE ?IF NOT I TELL THEM OR YOU DO IT FOR ME ? IS TWENTY FIRS! WE TRY TO UNITED EUROPE AND THE REST WHY NOT TO LIVE AS ON FAMMILY! THEY TRY TO DO THE OTHER WAY AROUND THREATING THEY NEIGHBORS INSULTING NAME,S CALLING!TRY TO DEFAMING ! OTHERS , LIKE THIS GREEKS ARE AFRICAN,S ATHIOPIAN,S ASIANS YOU NAME IT ! THEY HAS ONE DIRTY MOUTH! WHY BECAUSE THINKING TRASH !WHICH DEMOSTRATE WHAT THEY ARE ! ALL OF US ARE HUMAN, WHAT MATTER IS YOUR ATTITUDE ! SUGGESTION , WE GIVE THE ATHENS YOU GIVE THEM VARNA ! MAYBE THAT CHANGE THEIR BEHAVE ! OH YES AFTER ALL WANT TO JOIN THE EU! AND NATO ! TO MY JUDGMENT THEY NEED TO GO FOR SCHOOLING ! ALL OF THEM ! TO BECAME REALLY HUMAN,S AND THE FUTURE WILL TELL ! BASE ON THEIR ACT,S !DOES,NT TAKE MUCH TIME FIFTY ! OR HUNDRED YEARS ? SEE WE TALKING OF REALLY THICK HEADS ! I AM SORRY BUT THAT IS FACT WATCH WHAT THEY SAY ! TRASH TRASH AND MORE TRASH! I WANT TO BE OBJECTIVE FOR ANY SUBJECT ! BUT HOW YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU FACE SNAKE,S ? FINITO THANK YOU. JAMES G.
Comments by JAMES GABRIEL - 19:56 23 Jul 2008
AGAIN ME, DO THOSE DARDASKAN KNOW IN WHAT CENTURY WE ARE IN? IF NOT I TELL THEM OR YOU DO IT FOR ME ? IS TWENTY FIRST! WE TRY TO UNITED EUROPE AND THE REST WHY NOT TO LIVE AS ON FAMMILY! THEY TRY TO DO THE OTHER WAY AROUND THREATING! THEY NEIGHBORS, INSULTING! NAME,S CALLING! TO DEFAMING ! OTHERS , LIKE THIS GREEKS ARE AFRICAN,S ATHIOPIAN,S ASIANS YOU NAME IT ! THEY HAS ONE DIRTY MOUTH! WHY BECAUSE THINKING TRASH !WHICH DEMOSTRATE WHAT THEY ARE ! ALL OF US ARE HUMAN, WHAT MATTER IS YOUR ATTITUDE ! SUGGESTION , WE GIVE THE ATHENS YOU GIVE THEM VARNA ! MAYBE THAT CHANGE THEIR BEHAVE ! OH YES AFTER ALL WANT TO JOIN THE EU! AND NATO ! TO MY JUDGMENT THEY NEED TO GO FOR SCHOOLING ! ALL OF THEM ! TO BECAME REALLY HUMAN,S AND THE FUTURE WILL TELL ! BASE ON THEIR ACT,S !DOES,NT TAKE MUCH TIME FIFTY ! OR HUNDRED YEARS ? SEE WE TALKING OF REALLY THICK HEADS ! I AM SORRY BUT THAT IS FACT WATCH WHAT THEY SAY ! TRASH TRASH AND MORE TRASH! I WANT TO BE OBJECTIVE FOR ANY SUBJECT ! BUT HOW YOU CAN DO WHEN YOU FACE SNAKE,S ? FINITO THANK YOU. JAMES G.
Comments by RoYLMaCo - 23:45 23 Jul 2008
Great article Clive Leviev-Sawyer. You are well up to date on the Macedonian & Greek Issue. thank you for your insight keep up the good work
Comments by cons - 15:05 24 Jul 2008
What was Gruevski supposed to do? Ignore any potential slav-Macedonians in Greece? As of 1949, there are only ethnic Greeks in Greek Macedonia. And that includes slavic speakers. All that was settled after a brutal civil war. But people change their minds. The Rainbow Party got 2-3000 votes in Northern Greece. Who voted for them? If there is a minority then it is small. Gruevski should have, at the very least, suggested a compromise name, and in exchange, Greece must give slav-Macedonians full rights. Property and compensation are not negotiable. Its been paid for in blood in the civil war. How do you expect Greece to react to demands without even a suggestion on a compromise name? Gruevski is brave but naive. Meanwhile the Albanian minority is waiting in the wings.
Comments by Peter - 18:07 24 Jul 2008
PM Gruevski is right asking the EU and Greece to recognize the Macedonian minority in Greece.I for one am Macedonian from the Greek part of Macedonia.Each time I attemp to enter Greece,the border guards gives me a hard time even that I hold a Canadian Passport.The same goes with Macedonians from other places like Australi USA etc.While I was living in Greece, the Greeks did not allowed us to speak our own language, and were called Bulgars[Vulgaros}The only right for Greece to do is recognizing that Macedonian ethnicity exist within the Greek borders.This will help in the relations with the Republic of Macedonia,also ,it will make the Macedonian community in Greece more at peace.The EU must ask Greece to stop violating the Human Rights and accept the truth.EU and NATO have shown that they dont care about individual rights as long as you do belong in their club.It is pathetic when these same clubs are demanding for China,Chad Burma and others to respect Human Rights.How pathetic is this?.Everbady knows, Macedonia was divided into four parts in 1913.Greece even higjact our history that does not belong to them.Greece argues, that Alexander the Great,Aristotel and others were Greek. Well, I must tell you,both were Macedonian.Furthermore,Greece must come to terms with their own history,and admmitt the truth.Republic of Macedonia will survive for many years to come,as we have survived till now.
Comments by BARROSOTHE MAN - 00:34 25 Jul 2008
FYROM GET READY FOR A NICE BAROSSO SLAP IN THE FACE !! People out in the free world we all know the truth each and every one of us .. Macedonia is one and Greek .. You cannot wake up one day and try to claim land rights ...Just like any neighborhood you live in in any country ..You just live there you CANNOT claim rights to anything..They arent a "minority" all they are is a group of people that are called FYROM and since the split they have no land so they are trying to falsify facts and claim some new ground from Greece... Pretty sad tactic for a country....Lacks VALIDITY...
Comments by You go Greece! - 00:40 25 Jul 2008
Im not Greek but I love the Greeks ! FYROM is a land of make belief and fantasy culture.
Comments by Pan"Dora"s box - 09:42 25 Jul 2008
Close Pan"Dora"s box... it has been opened for far too long... Give the Macedonians what is rightfully theirs.... I am sorry to the Greeks that they cannot be Macedonian. Not everyone can. I have never seen such an undecisive race in my life.. do you want to be Greek or Macedonian? I know what I am! =)
Comments by BarneyRubbleGruevski - 01:30 30 Jul 2008
The post on top of mine is a trip... Hehe FYROM is Macedonian BAHAHAHAHHAHAH! SO FUNNY! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
 
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