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Macedonian PM Gruevski: Only Greece, Macedonia can resolve name dispute

Author: VOANews Date: Thu, Feb 17 2011 113 Comments, 5477 Views
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Macedonian Prime Minister Nikola Gruevski says he does not expect the United States or any other country to resolve the Greek-Macedonian dispute involving the Balkan nation's name.

Mr. Gruevski says only Macedonia and Greece can resolve the controversy, noting that Macedonian officials should stay focused on the issue.

The Macedonian leader made his comments late Wednesday after meeting with U.S. Vice President Joe Biden in Washington.

Greece wants Macedonia to change its name, which is also the name of a region in Greece. Macedonia has refused. Greece, a member of the European Union and NATO, has blocked Macedonia's efforts to join both organizations.

In addition to the name dispute, Mr. Gruevski spoke to Mr. Biden about Macedonia's aspirations to join NATO and the European Union.

Mr. Gruevski and his delegation also met Wednesday with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon.
The prime minister's three-day visit to Washington ends Thursday.

Source: VOANews.com

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    • Anonymous
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      #113 18, 11, Sat, Apr 23 2011

      Solution II:
      The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) to be officially named the REPUBLIC OF MAKEDONILLYRIA.

      It comes from the two historic Kingdoms, MAKEDON or MACEDON which the nations largest ethnic group, the Slav Macedonians, associate themselves with and ILLYRIA which would represents the ethnic Albanian people in FYROM.

      The countries largest ethnic group to be recognised as ETHNIC MAKEDONSKI people and the language also as the MAKEDONSKI language.

    • Anonymous
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      #112 08, 27, Sun, Apr 10 2011


      Solution:
      Leaders in Skopje, Athens & Sofia to sign an official agreement stating that each individual region will not hold the sole rights to the name Macedonia for their region & Macedonian for the identity of the people or language.

      Skopje to name their region "North Macedonia" & "Makedonci/Makedonski" for the identity.
      Athens to name their region "Aegean Macedonia" & "Makedones/Makedonika" for the identity.
      Sofia to name their region "Pirin Macedonia" & "Makedonov" for the identity.
      These names to be the English names with a [...]

      Read the full comment exact translation in all official languages.

      The three regions combined will only be recognised as the Macedonia region, similar to the Skandinavia region.
      All three regions will have to change their official UN name & Constitutional name for their region.

    • Anonymous
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      #111 18, 15, Fri, Apr 08 2011

      Greece need to return to having King Constintine as the Head of State & create the UNITED HELLENIC KINGDOM & have Macedonia, Attica, Epirus, Peloponnese, Thessaly, Thrace etc as the nations which make up the UNITED HELLENIC KINGDOM (UHK) similiar to how the United Kingdom (UK) is made up of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland. As the UK have the British Prime Minister, Greece will have a Prime Minister.

    • Anonymous
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      #110 19, 10, Fri, Apr 01 2011

      The short answer is that (as reported elsewhere on the Sofia Echo site) everybody else is getting Very Bored Indeed by endlessly going over the same arguments on the Macedonia Name Issue.

      Let us all await the International Court of Justice pronouncement on the issue - which is predicted fairly soon - and can we meanwhile All Shut Up ? (Moderators - hopefully you might agree with this.)

    • Anonymous
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      #109 02, 07, Fri, Apr 01 2011

      King Philip II, Alexander the Great's father, conquered most of modern Greece before his murder.so there you havet macedonia conquer greece, and macedonian's are not greek that's way the name is macedonians is that so confusing for greek's to understend

    • Anonymous
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      #108 17, 00, Thu, Mar 31 2011

      if you never visit vergina the capital of ancient makedonian (50km from thessaloniki)you be sure,who is realy makedonian!!!!!!
      siple question slavs come on this area after 6 century,Greek Makedonian was on this area before 6 century,how is posiple to be here,with out to be?

    • Anonymous
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      #107 23, 46, Mon, Mar 28 2011

      it's funny how macedonians in greece want to greeks, no u are macedonians and you are brainwashed from the greek government that you are greeks to!ancient macedonia waa never greece and macedonia conquer greece its that simple and I feel bad fore greek people it socks to be them.go on google and chek

    • Anonymous
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      #106 19, 17, Sun, Mar 27 2011

      skopians is very boring people!!!!they know very well,that they are slavs,total differnt from makedonian (that,was greek)we all know (by historical fact) slavs come on this area after 6 century,we also know (by historical fact)makedonian was on this area before 6 century!simple question for all fyromians:how is posiple to be here,with out to be?
      skopians must make big step for the truth and to be proud for what they realy are!!!!

    • Anonymous
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      #105 19, 08, Sun, Mar 27 2011

      Gruefski play games....just wanna win time!!!!!
      he never care for the solution name......

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      #100 07, 00, Sun, Mar 13 2011

      I Don't Know What to Say,how can macedonia be greece and macedonian people are greeck,macedonian's are macedonian's it's that simple. the name of the contry is Republic of Macedonia which was part ancient macedonia, and R of maceedonia is 39%, greece 51%, bulgaria 9% and albania 1% i don't see the problem here, that people from R of macedonia are not macedonians,you have to be brainwashed not to understand thank's

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    • Anonymous
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      #86 07, 32, Sat, Mar 05 2011

      How very biased of you David, if the Greek side needs to recognise they are turkish then shouldnt the Skopjan side need to recognise they are Bulgarian?

      Also may I remind you that not all of Greece was under Ottoman rule making your opinion of turkish origin ridiculous to say the least. I'm sure if Greeks were really Turkish then there would be no Cyprus problem nor any other issue between the two nations.

      But taking your theory into account, I guess the French and Polish are really Nazi Germans bc they [...]

      Read the full comment use to be part of Nazi Germany so you and the rest of Europe need to move on!

    • Anonymous
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      #85 14, 06, Fri, Mar 04 2011

      Solution etc - the same way as Tyrolean Italians claim to be Italians (though they're mostly ethnically German), and francophone Belgians claim to be French (though they're mostly ethnically Flemish) Europe has moved on a bit in the past 2500 years since Alexander, and the Greek side (who are mostly ethnically Turkish anyway) need to recognise this.

      The only ethnically "pure" populations in Europe these days are either those on the western fringes (Bretons, Welsh, Galicians) or else those in the Baltic States such as Lithuanians.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #84 22, 18, Thu, Mar 03 2011

      FYROM are Bulgarians/Slavs and they speak Bulgarians, Macedonians are Greeks and they speak Greek, All Slavs arrived into Europe a thousand years after Alexander The Great, so how can FYROM claim to be Macedonians since the Ancient Macedonians have always claims to be Greek.. Can anyone truly answer me this??

    • Anonymous
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      #83 12, 29, Thu, Mar 03 2011

      And who on earth was John Bagnell Bury ? Hardly a world-renowned classical scholar; most academics in this field have never heard of him. Anyway, classical scholarship back in 1913 was not what it is now.

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    • Anonymous
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      #79 19, 04, Wed, Mar 02 2011

      I think what both Peter and Kostas say makes much sense, and largely resolves this dispute here on this site. Personally I slightly favour the "Macedonian" side of the argument, but I can't stand Gruevski. Who on earth is "bankrolling" him, as the Americans put it ? Is it the diaspora, or the Balkan mafia ? You just don't buy suits as well-tailored as that in Skopje or Salonika !

    • Anonymous
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      #78 17, 58, Wed, Mar 02 2011

      It is refreshing to hear a real Greek understanding the difference between Greeks and Macedonians,and that is,Kostas Spyroglou-thanks! Sasha,what do you think of the opposition leader Crvenkovski hiding in a bunker,and refusing to come out for elections?For five months he has been asking, I watched Macedonian TV and quess what;Crvenkovski and all his opposition parties crying for immediate elections,where are they now,are they hiding in the rats hole?Did you read what Popovski a high ranking SDSM member said about Ramkovskis weekly oppening different companies and on weekly basis bankrupting them to avoid paying taxes?.I wont bug you with it any [...]

      Read the full comment more,I think you got the message if your inteligence allowes it. To Pavlos Melas,dont you know Pavlos Melas was killed in Statica(Pavlos Melas)by the Ottomans and the village was named after him?Statica is one of my neighboring villages to my village. Julia,you have two comments four hours appart,both are cotradicting. Leo M.Chicago,the only country that was formed by outside powers was Greece in 1832 by the Big Powers.Let me put you straight;While the Greek and Bulgarian governmrnts coloborated with the Nazis in 1941-45,the Macedonians were fighting the Nazis in Greece,Yugoslavija and in Bulgaria.Macedonian blood was spilled for the right of Macedonias freedom,and freedom they won withing Federated Yugoslavija as 5 other Republics.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #77 10, 08, Tue, Mar 01 2011

      I live in the USA where we call the Macedonians, Macedonians. They are not Greek.

      My grand mother has taught me that we are not the Macedonians, Macedonians were and live in fyROM (that is known today) and in Northern Greece. This was annexed back in the 1930's. Those ethnic minorities were not allowed to speak the Macedonian language.

      Today I am suprised at my fellow Greeks claiming that they are the Macedonians when clearly they are not.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #76 10, 04, Tue, Mar 01 2011

      @Leo from Chicago

      I find it quite amusing how you post "Today, a minor part of FYROM was part of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia, the birth place of Alexander. Greece understands that but CANNOT and WILL not accept FYROM monopolizing the name Macedonia".

      The logic is, "Well we stole *most* of the country and therefore
      we own *all* of the identity"..

      LOL LOL.. It must make sense in Greece.

      You just admitted that we are Macedonians. Oh and ICJ is coming [...]

      Read the full comment up. Never mind what your Greek public thinks, mind what the ICJ thinks and the 131 countries that recognize the Republic of Macedonia

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    • Anonymous
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      #74 23, 20, Sun, Feb 27 2011

      I think that Mr. Gruevski has a valid point here.
      He forgets only one thing. Nowdays we bear witness of a tremendous shift in global politics where mild islam replaces the old feudal lords in the muslim world.
      Furthermore we witness a tremendous effort on behalf of EU and Greece to survive the debt crisis. I can't see any reason for anyone else except Mr. Gruevski to have any initiative to focus on a trivial dispute such as FYROM s final name. This issue is an issue for a prosperus world and not evil times where [...]

      Read the full comment there is the luxury to elegantly resolve cultural issues.
      I think that what Mr. Gruevski doesn't seem to understand is that the train of the new world order has left the station and the tiny entity of FYROM is not part of it. The name issue is old news equal to whatthe participation of FYROM is in the euroatlantic new world order.
      Simply its too late...

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      #66 19, 11, Fri, Feb 25 2011

      Peter - do get your spelling right, if not your reasoning. It's spelled "fYRoM" accoring to the relevant UN resolution, not "FYROM". Or else just call it "Macedonia / RoM" instead.....

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    • Anonymous
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      #49 22, 01, Tue, Feb 22 2011

      The fact that you (David/Epaminondas) support Skopje's monopolisation of the Macedonian identity shows that you are bias and mishellenist. Why can't Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks be Macedonians? Why should Skopje have exclusive rights to "Macedonia" and hence allow them to claim Thessaloniki when they have no connection to ancient Macedonians? We see daily on here that Peter and "all for one" claim that Macedonia Greece was stolen from them and people like David only encourage their national fanaticism

    • Anonymous
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      #48 18, 00, Tue, Feb 22 2011

      Firstly, I agree Aries is right. Secondly, with respect to Leo M in Chicago, his case is rather demolished by the uncomfortable (for him) fact that the US State Department doesn't agree with him - four out of the five members of the UN Security Council (including the USA) agree with the "Republic of Macedonia" name. The fifth member - France - still supports the Greek position, possibly due to several very large defence contracts whereby Greece buys French fighter aircraft. Realpolitik is the name of the game, as Bismarck used to say.

    • Anonymous
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      #47 15, 36, Tue, Feb 22 2011

      Leo where have you been, locked up in some mythical modern Greek dream, even the mighty Greek Aries has excepted a compromise, so let's not start from the begining again.

      Macedonia is for Macedonians and any one in it's four regions may call themselves such and in the end it will be so.

    • Anonymous
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      #46 20, 51, Mon, Feb 21 2011

      Dear friends, read my entire post first before you judge me. Macedonia is Greece. No Greek leader will surrender a pure Macedonia name to FYROM because the Greek public will not tolerate it. The Macedonia issue was created by Stalin, Tito and the Greek communists after World War II that lead to the civil war in Greece. Stalin wanted the port of Thesaloniki to gain free access in the Aegean and Mediterranean seas. The allies negated this possibility for Stalin by keeping Greece with the west (where Greece belongs). Stalin fueled the civil war in Greece promising the communists a [...]

      Read the full comment country for them, north of Greece: Macedonia. Before then, FYROM was called Vardarska. Many of the FYROMians are of Greek origin. Greece kicked these people out of Greece post the civil war. Gruefski's family is one of them. Greece will defend its historical and cultural heritage from those who want to loot it.

      Today, a minor part of FYROM was part of the ancient kingdom of Macedonia, the birth place of Alexander. Greece understands that but CANNOT and WILL not accept FYROM monopolizing the name Macedonia. Greece is the majority holder of that land and most of all, Greece is the sole proprietor of the Hellenic heritage of the world. We also understand FYROM needs to establish itself as a nation in the Balkans (a tough neighborhood) and need to have deep history roots. Remember, that Greece is NOT your enemy. Watch out for the Albanians. If these folks start a revolt (e.g. Kosovo), where FYROM will turn for help? The Greeks use this proverb: good arrangements make good friends. The name difference has to be resolved. I know you are bitter with the Greek veto of FYROM's entry into NATO. I understand. I've met people of FYROM (btw, gorgeous girls) here in Chicago. You are fine people, Christian Orthodox. We are more similar than different. Do not lose faith; tension and hate does not work.

      Greece is going through a lot of economic turmoil now. It will recover. Do not wish the worse for Greece. This is not good for the neighborhood and is not your best interest.


      John O.: Greece is a small country that has been dealing effectively with much larger threats (nazi Germany, facist Italy, Turkey). It is not picking on its smaller neighbor by caprice or by mean spirit. It just wants to coexist while maintaining what belongs to her. Take it easy.

      My email is below. I will not tolerate emails of profanity and hate.

      Regards & farewell,

      Leo M., Chicago
      milialk@comcast.net

    • Anonymous
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      #45 16, 51, Mon, Feb 21 2011

      Sasha,are you joining SDSM in protest againts the government?I hear they are offering food and free taxi ride,and jobs if and when they win parliamentary elections to demonstrate in front of the parliament.Skopje refused to join him,but offered 100 euros to every individual to attend.Where does he find that kind of money,did he committ a bank robery as he done while in office,or he still has money left over from the Mitsotakis payments?.Macedonians have awakened.

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      #44 15, 49, Mon, Feb 21 2011

      To the sceptics like the little Bulgarian Sasha;you realy amaze me with your anti-Macedonian rchetoric.Dont you know what Bozhidar said about the Bulgarian ancestry?His claim is,and well publisized,that you are not even slavs, but came to this area from Persia.Your famouse historian said so.As for us Macedonians,we are Macedonians,nothing more,nothing less.As for my political believes,I will always support those who fight for our existance,not for those who are selling Macedonias interests to the Greeks and Bulgarians as your dear leaders Crvenkovski, Frckovski and Georgievski.Next general elections will proove,the only real Macedonian leader Gruevski will prevail with bigger approval from the [...]

      Read the full comment Macedonian people.The anti-Macedonian parties will diminish,and after the elections,maybe Papandreu will offer your dear leaders to apply for a seat in Athens,or better still in some obscure Mediteranean iland?.Long live Macedonia and Macedonians!

    • Anonymous
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      #43 12, 28, Mon, Feb 21 2011

      what greece is doing is an illegal act. As they have been doing throughout history, greeks alway pick on the small and the weak.
      Although I am not Macedonian, I feel so strongly about this issue; I have decided not to buy any greek made goods!

    • Anonymous
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      #42 11, 41, Mon, Feb 21 2011

      Namesake - I was using phonetic transcription, not having a Greek keyboard. Any fule kno that it is written 'den katalabaino/ katalabeis'. In Ancient Greek it would have been 'katalambano', of course. But in Greek, as in English, words are not always pronounced quite as they are spelled.

    • Anonymous
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      #41 10, 48, Mon, Feb 21 2011

      Karanus - as my namesake might say, the word is "Hellenicised" and not "Hellenised", and I also I (separately) take leave to doubt whether Macedonia really is a Greek name at all. I think it's actually of Latin origin.

    • Anonymous
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      #40 22, 13, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Oh dear....looks like you are reading history from a different planet. Has it ever occurred to you by using the very word "Macedonia" (which is a Greek word) you have Hellennised yourself?

    • Anonymous
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      #39 22, 10, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      "dhen katalabeis ?"

      David please revise your Greek and use a dictionary...again you got it wrong

    • Anonymous
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      #38 18, 52, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Personally i am sick and tired of the round robin tail chasing arguments presented in this thread
      and elswhere.
      I vote for "Northern Macedonia" erga omnes or perhaps "Macedonia
      Salutaris" as the Romans named the lands above Heraclea Lyncestis
      (Monastir,Bitola).God damn it
      finish up that time and money consuming effort and move on,.

    • Anonymous
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      #37 16, 28, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Ancient Macedonians were just that, Macedonian. The ancient Hellenes sent colonies into the Macedonian territories and Hellenized the area for awhile, the Romans came and let their retired troops gain land there, the Slavs came and engulfed the whole area with their culture. As a successor state to the ancient one , Macedonia and the Macedonians have every right call themselves that.

      If Britain and France want to make amends for letting Macedonia fragment, they should full heartedly tell Greece to reconize it's name and be happy with the province they got away with.

    • Anonymous
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      #36 14, 13, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Agreed that Gruevski is a pretty poor negotiator, and Nimetz (UN intermediary) will prolonging this one as far as he can because of the fat tax-free UN fees that he earns, the fact is that ultimately Greece will lose this one.

      We should perhaps bear in mind that modern Macedonia has nothing to so with ancient Macedonia, but neither has modern Greece anything to do with ancient Greece, except for some classical-era monuments.
      Except for a modernised version of the language which was preserved thanks to the Orthodox church ! Ethnically they're predominantly Turks, [...]

      Read the full comment according to UN sources.

    • Anonymous
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      #35 11, 22, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      dhen katalabeis ? The standard of English of comments on this column could be improved - at least the Sofia Echo editorial material is always impeccably well written.

    • Anonymous
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      #34 06, 56, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      "dhen katalavano"

      oh dear david either you have invented a new language or you seriously need to revise your Greek!

    • Anonymous neutral
      #33 01, 48, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      'We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great.' - FYROM'S Ambassador Ljubica Acevshka in speech to US representatives in Washington on January 22 1999

    • Anonymous neutral
      #32 01, 48, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian.' - FYROM´s Ambassador to Canada Gyordan Veselinov in interview to Ottawa Citizen Newspaper 24 February 1999

    • Anonymous neutral
      #31 01, 41, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Kiro Gligorov, FYROM's first President)
      youtube(dot)com/watch?v=uA3kwC2YTq4

    • Anonymous neutral
      #30 01, 40, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      "The creation of the Macedonian nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the “Macedonian” historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the “Macedonian” identity was created. There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word “Bulgarian” with the word “Macedonian” were made." (Denko Maleski, former Minister of foreign affairs of FYROM)
      utrinski(dot)com(dot)mk/?ItemID=C7A7DD4ECD45C946BF6573284EC01164
      [...]

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    • Anonymous neutral
      #29 01, 39, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Gotse Delchev: "We are Bulgarians" tinyurl(dot)com/2vsvo3f

    • Anonymous neutral
      #28 01, 39, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Krste Misirkov: "We are Bulgarians, more Bulgarians than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria themselves."[...]'And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians?"

    • Anonymous
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      #27 01, 27, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      grueski is a pedarungel.

    • Anonymous
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      #26 01, 25, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      Delchev was ciganin.

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      #25 01, 17, Sun, Feb 20 2011

      All-for-one, it is not a dream neither a Bulgarian one or any other. This is reality.

      You can identify with whom ever you want e.g. the Greek speaking tribe of Al.Veliki or the Bulgarians of Delchev, Misirkov, Gruev, Sandanski, Sarafov, etc., but in the end these are the two entities who have been most associated to the geographical toponym and whose descendents claim recognition.

      All the other peoples like Vlachs, Roma, Pomaks, Albanians, etc., who also hold a Macedonian identity dear to themselves also openly claim their geographical association to this land. [...]

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      Dreams are for the diasporic simpletons whose hunger for antiquisation inventions have cast a long but permeable shadow over our people in RoM. By inventing for themselves an ancient connection they naively believe they have a pure identity.

      Let it always be known, the Macedonian people of RoM (and diaspora) are and have always been culturally, linguistically, and historically a Slavic people.

      Long Live the Macedonian Youth!
      'Macedonia will never belong to tyranny but to her beloved people of every nation, faith, and race."
      Dame Gruev

    • Anonymous
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      #24 23, 35, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Mistake forgot a "thus" or a ;
      before yielding

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      #23 20, 32, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Sorry to be shtupid, but what earth does Sagitarius (sic with mis-spelling) actually mean with his last posting ?

      I don't understand it / dhen katalavano/ nie ponimayu

    • Anonymous
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      #22 20, 25, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      The more they resist with chhildish arguments the more they immerse in their paranoid arguments yielding their inferiority is paramount

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      #21 16, 55, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      It is is simple, the Americans told Gruevski accept the two name solution and get on with it, however Gruevski isn't accepting this and he is right, since any part of the partioned Macedonia should be allowed to use it's name and the people call themselves Macedonian.

      Sasha please stop going on about your Bulgarian dream, you are Slavic people persuaded by a long gone Bulgaric tribe to carry on it's name that it does not warrant.

      As for you Greeks, come on , come on, it's time to it let go [...]

      Read the full comment and take back eastern Turkey where the real Greeks lived.

    • Anonymous
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      #20 15, 59, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      LoL is right to remind us that Alexander was not at all universally loved amongst the peoples he subjugated, but Sagitarius's comments apply as much to the Greeks within the EU and NATO as to the RoM.

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      #19 15, 27, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Fyrom will always suffer from inferiority.
      Let them yell ..... their cries
      are inarticulate as their existence

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      #18 15, 01, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      In other words, Gruevski has no intention of changing the name.

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      #17 14, 12, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      ok, this whole thing is ridiculous, macedonian nationalists trying to prove greeks are africans or turkish, and greek nationalists trying to prove macedonians are bulgarians or even fictitious... There is nothing like a scientific definition for what a nation is, if the people of macedonia want to claim they're anchestors of the Hitler of ancient times (Alexander the cursed according to the Asian people he slaughtered and subjigated), it's fine. If Greeks want to claim they're descendants of philosophers and scientists, that's cool too. Odds are many of them have more anchestors in common than they think they do, since [...]

      Read the full comment from the Slavic settlement in the Balkans to the Ottoman empire, there were a lot of inter-marriages among primarily the christian populations (either of Slavic, Greek, Illyric, Vlah or any anchestry).

      Macedonia is since then, a term used for a geographic territory, currently divided among Greece (around 50%), Republic of Macedonia (30%), Bulgaria (15%) and Albania (5%).

      The only reasonable solution I see, is that the Republic of Macedonia claims a non-exclusive term, like North Macedonia, and that Greeks accept this non-exclusivity of the use of the term "Macedonia", for all peoples of the Macedonian geographic region.

      Common references should unite people and not divide them like old stubborn balkanian villagers:)

    • AnonymousFOR REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIASat, Feb 19 2011

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    • Anonymous
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      #15 11, 26, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Kassandros - I think you're forgetting the fact that Greece/Yunanistan has actually changed its frontiers considerably since the modern state was established in the 1930s, notably in acquiring Greek Macedonia in 1913 but losing Smyrna and Asia Minor in 1923. So it is something of a fluid entity, and (as per the recent Euro-crisis) anything but a stable one ! On this one I would back RoM to last longer.

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      #14 10, 51, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      "Macedonia will never change its name and greece will be punished.."

      Most probably, you mean "FYROM will never change its name".. and you're wrong. You already have changed 100 times your name (Kingdom of Serbs, Croates & Slovens, Vardarska Banovina and God knows what else). "Macedonia" is just your last trend...

      The real Macedonia in Greece is the one what has never changed its name.

      ps. by the way, we're a small nation, we have been punished and concquered from almost every Empire.. but we're still here the [...]

      Read the full comment last 5-6000 years. We're survivors!

      Will you exist the the next 5-6000 years? I dont think so... To be more precise.. I dont think you will even hit as target the next 20 years. Artificial nations cannot survive. Just see USSR, Iraq, Yougoslavia etc etc. Artificiality fails... Smile! :)

    • Anonymous neutral
      #13 09, 39, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Macedonia will never change its name and greece will be punished for its genocide of the Macedonian people!

    • Anonymous
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      #12 02, 43, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Please Peter stop boring us with your jingoism over and over. As I wrote to you last time.

      Just as you Peter represent the neo-fascist side of Politics in the Diaspora we the Macedonian Student Youth represent the anti-fascist left alliance in RoM. Your bitterness towards Greeks and Bulgarians colours all your views. In the scientific community we say whether something is fact or fiction. You my friend fight for an identity based on the latter (fiction).

      Who cares who the people of antiquity were, we and you included have no, not [...]

      Read the full comment even one drop of blood from them. The man in charge of our Macedonian heritage in RoM is called Pasko Kuzman. He himself is an antiquisationist (like you) but unlike you and your gullible diasporic leaders, he openly states that we need indisputable evidence (not literary accounts that can't be proven one way or another) to prove a connection to antiquity and yes to your hero the Greek speaking Al.Veliki. Kuzman grudgingly admits that while he excavates Macedonian soil he can't assure any results. So far all artifacts (which you can see in our beautiful museums) have either neolithic, Illyrian, Greek, Roman, or Bulgarian typologies.

      On the other hand, Misirkov (like Gruev, Delchev, Sarafov, Hadji-Nikolov)considered Macedonia the home of all people regardless of faith or nationality, he himself an ardent Bulgarian supporter. You need to read what our forefathers wrote in the last century Peter. And now coming to one of your repetive cut-and-paste paragraphs about your Greek friend Rallis who was making his comments about Macedonians who he considered were none other than the Bulgarian and Greek revolutionaries of the time. I don't know where you get your sources from but believe me Risto Stefov is the most unreliable so if you do want to be productiv read for yourself and leave other fools to concoct. You need to read critically and not as a one-eyed cyclopic being. It must be a hard knock for someone of your age Peter to discover that people like Delchev and co. openly claimed their (and our) Bulgarian heritage. You only need to read the VMRO preamble to see who our forefathers are.

      No Peter its time to leave your fiction in the host countries you live in and respect and celebrate our Slavic heritage.

      Long Live the Macedonian Youth.
      "Our Bulgarian people will rise in the service of our revolutionary cause for liberation."
      Gotse Delchev

    • Anonymous
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      #11 02, 01, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      Macedonia is Greek. Find your own name. Try New Bulgaria.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #10 01, 18, Sat, Feb 19 2011

      MACEDONIA ALWAYS MACEDONIA [REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA IS A PART OF ALL MACEDONIA;;SAY NO MORE;;ATHERS CAN BUT OUT;;;;ONLY MACEDONIAN TO HAVE A SAY;;;;WE DO NOT NEED BULGARIANS;;OR ASIA MINOR ;;TURKISH[GREEKS]]TO PUT CLAIM OVER MACEDONIAN HISTORY;;;;;;HANDS OF MACEDONIAN LAND AND HISTORY;;SHAME ON ALL OF YOU AS A NIGHBOURS;WHAT YOU DO TO PEOPLE OF REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA;AND MACEDONIAN NATION;;;SHAME ON ALL OF YOU SHAME ON EUROPEIAN UNION;AND THE REST OF THIS WORLD;;;;MACEDONIA AS A NATION ALWAYS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE;;;; LONG LIVE REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA FOR UNAITED MACEDONIA FROM MORONS NIEGHBOURS;;;;;;;

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      #9 23, 33, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      Oh Sasha,you realy amaze me.Of course SDSM can solve the name issue faster than Gruevski.Frckovski still holds onto the money Greece gave him to preaswade Gligorov to give up pur identity.Only Bulgarians and Greeks would love that to happen.Well,it wont,rest assured.Gruevski is not about to sell Macedonia.PM Gruevski is right by saying"only Greece and Macedonia can solve the name issue.UN has no mandate to negosiate ones name,it is in the charter of the UN.Crvenkovski and Frckovski are ready to sell Macedonia to the highest bidder-Greece,and Georgievski to Bulgaria.I will put it in Macedonian language;Crvenkovski i Frckovski nemat nikakov stram sto [...]

      Read the full comment sakaat da ja prodavat nashata tatkovina Makedonija samo za drahmii.Kako gi drzhi ovaa zemja ne znam,za stramota.To FYROM are Bulgarians;you my friend know nothing what Goce Deltsev said.When Goce Deltsev was fighting for Macedonias freedom,there was no Fyrom,it was Macedonia and Macedonians fighting the Ottomans and our oppressors.In 1903 the fight for our freedom started,but our neighbors colloborated with the Ottomans.

    • Anonymous
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      #8 20, 59, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      even the pieces are too big for you
      to handle....

    • Anonymous
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      #7 18, 51, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      Sooner or later Greece will go pear-shaped anyway, given the state its economy is in, and Macedonia will pick up the pieces.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #6 10, 47, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      Quoted by "Gotse Delchev" explians "that our Bulgarian roots would never allow our people to be seperated from her mothers bosom in FYROM." He then continues to say, "as long as all the people of FYROM unite to overthrow our common enemy, the blood in our veins whether Bulgarian, Greek, or Vlach will liberate itself from Turkish tyranny."..........Say no more.......

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      joe Rating:
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      #5 06, 07, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      probably your bulgarian ancestry...embrace it

    • Anonymous
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      #4 05, 15, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      what does we need our bulgarian people mean?

    • Anonymous
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      #3 02, 18, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      In other words, Gruevski asked the Americans to help them with the name dispute but the U.S said 'no'.

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      #2 00, 23, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      There can never be a name solution while nationalistic elements are at the fore-front of every attempt at dialogue.

      Long Live the Macedonian Youth.
      "Religion has no place in politics. We need dialogue. If that fails we need our Bulgarian people."
      Dame Gruev at the 1st VMORO meeting.

    • Anonymous
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      #1 00, 06, Fri, Feb 18 2011

      Why only greece and macedonia can solve the dispute? Is Gruevski afraid of out-side help?

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