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Remains of John the Baptist found in Bulgaria - report

Author: The Sofia Echo staff Date: Mon, Aug 02 2010 62 Comments, 23880 Views
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Bulgarian media has reported that the excavations at St Ivan island off the Bulgarian coast have unearthed relics belonging to Saint John the Baptist. The discoveries were announced on August 1 2010 following the excavation on the island near the seaside town of Sozopol.

Last week it was reported that excavations on St Ivan island, the largest of five Bulgarian islands in the Black Sea, discovered artefacts and exquisite marble reliquary incorporated into the church’s altar, the historian Bozhidar Dimitrov, director of the National History Museum and minister without portfolio in charge of Bulgarians abroad, told Focus news agency.

It was subsequently revealed that the archaeologists found an exquisite reliquary – a relic urn – built in the altar of an ancient church bearing the name of St. John the Baptist. The urn, which was opened on August 1, contained small bones from the arm and leg of the saint, the archaeologists told Bulgarian media.

The reliquary was shaped as a sarcophagus and was discovered by the team of Prof. Kazimir Popkonstantinov. He said that it was very likely for the reliquary to contain relics of John the Baptist.

Once the island was converted to Christianity, a monastical complex was built between the 5th-6th century on top of the ruins of the old Roman temple, including the Basilica of the Mother of God. Around the 7th-9th century, the basilica was abandoned only to be reconstructed in the 10th century.

The Monastery of John the Forerunner and the Baptist grew into an important centre of Christianity in the region. Archaeological research was carried out after 1985 for a a period of two years, which revealed a royal residence, a library, part of the fortified wall with the gate and several monastic cells.

St. Ivan is the largest Bulgarian island in the Black Sea, with an area of 0.66 square kilometres, just off the Bulgarian Black Sea coast near Sozopol, a town rich in history and a popular tourist destination, and is separated by a strait several hundred metres long from the small neighbouring St. Peter Island. It is 920m from the Stolets peninsula, the location of Sozopol's Old Town.

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    • Anonymous
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      #62 17, 16, Tue, Sep 14 2010

      poo rules

    • Anonymous
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      #61 02, 50, Mon, Aug 09 2010

      Don't fear the atheist. Most of them are just confused agnostic atheists anyways. The reason there is a rise in atheist is because our society as a whole is materialistic. The more a civilization is materialistic, the more atheism is powered.

      Look at the world today, so materialistic, greedy, and selfish. Shame most atheists hide on the internet belittling everyone for thier beleives while also blindly beleiving in what scientists say even though they themselves cannot comprehend or replicate what those scientists do.

      Back to the article, very interesting find.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #60 18, 53, Sun, Aug 08 2010


      Read Sirach 20, 20

    • Anonymous
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      #59 15, 45, Sun, Aug 08 2010

      ...and the dead shall walk among us... Rev 20.12

    • Anonymous neutral
      #58 11, 42, Sun, Aug 08 2010

      I didn´t want to react any more, but an Austrian bisshop made me change my mind.

      So, being a Christian is tough? Well, for almost 2000 years it has been far thougher to be an atheist. Giordano Bruno was burned for it, and it is widely known that no professed atheist would stand a chance if he ran for president of the US.In muslim countries it is a life-threatening condition - like being a Bahai´, who are persecuted and killed in Iran. I have never seen an atheist threaten violence to a believer or use abusive [...]

      Read the full comment language - but the reverse more than once, see this blog. In general, conscious atheists are thinking and civilized people.
      In the (probably vain) hope to shake some believers from their smugness, here are some reasons why I condemn religion:
      - Religion is not true, and nothing good can come from untruth.
      - Religions are conflicting: there is the Jaweh/God/Allah complex, there is the Hindu pantheon, there were the pantheons of the Greek, Romans Thracians and other Indo-European tribes, there were the bizarre beliefs of ancient Egypt and of Mesopotamia. They are mutually exclusive. So if I shouldn´t believe one, why should I believe the other? Yes I know, ¨It has been revealed to us, we know it in our heart of hearts¨. Wll, the lord might have done that to me too, like he did to Saul/Paul but he didn´t. Instead, he showed me Auschwitz, Sobibor, the Killing Fields and Srebrenica.
      - Believers constantly try to force their doctrines upon others, for instance that homosexuality is the Sin of Sodom, should be banned from the public space and even be punished (even by death). Everybody who follows the development of science by now knows that it is hard-wired in the brain, like left-handedness, and that never a gay has been ¨cured¨of his ¨illness¨.(No, I´m not gay. I just believe that everyone may try to get happy in his own way, as long as he doesn´t harm others)
      - Religious institutions through all ages have tried to suppress the development of knowledge outside their own teachings. If churches had had their way, we still would think that contagious diseases are a scourge of god, instead of a microbiological problem that can be cured or prevented. A bizarre example: in Holland there are extreme Calvinists who refuse vaccination for their kids: ¨one should not thwart god´s council¨ Because of this, some fine young people have ended up in wheelchairs - or worse. To me, this is tantamount to a god who demands human sacrifice - like the Canänite Baäl cult (see, another religion - it´s hard to keep count).
      - Indeed, many believers sound really stupid (and nasty), like the Plodiv metropolite who last year asserted that the disaster on Lake Ohrid was a punishment of god because of Madonna - a clear case of sins being visited upon the innocent, however, in line withe the infamous First Commandment, where God says he will visit the sins of the fathers upon the children, yes on the third and fourth generation..... Also, see what a wicked Austrian blackskirt( pleonasm?) said yesterday about the Love Parade disaster.

      If someone wants to know the difference between myths, simple assertions and proper scientific theory, look up ¨Karl Popper¨ on Wikipedia, and note that no honest scientist will boast of absolute truth. I just think that evolution theory as conceived by Darwin, and developed by e.a. Steve Gould fits the available observations best - and I am quite happy with the idea that, through a succession of slimy, scaly and furry animals I stem from two single-cell organisms who combined, giving rise to multi-cellular life. Rather, it sounds rather romantic, two individuals giving up their individuality to create something new. For the rest, read Dennett, ¨Darwins dangerous idea¨)where he shows that evolution is no wonder.

      And finally, for all arrogant believers who think atheists are shallow braggers, let me tell you that even to me ¨Safe in the arms of Jesus¨ sounds more pleasant than ¨Darwinian man, though well behaved, at best is only a monkey shaved¨. However, for me Jesus is dead. He was gassed in Auschwitz by devout Prussian Lutherans and Austrian(!) and Bavarian(!) Catholics, shot in Babi Jar by orthodox Ukrainians and beaten to death by fanatically Catholic Poles in Jedwabne and Kielce (in ´46)

    • AnonymousEnurseFerSat, Aug 07 2010

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    • Anonymous
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      #56 06, 08, Fri, Aug 06 2010

      Richard H - LMAO!!! That was way too deep for an online blog! As a Christian, aren't you supposed to be "simple"? The secularists/atheists/agnostics would so prefer to think of us as simple followers whose beliefs reflect neither intellect, education, or self-esteem. Christianity is hard work, guys - and the majority of Christians pull the comfort of the faith around them and don't want to bother with the confrontation of unbelief....especially these days. Perhaps the unbelievers should, for a moment, consider that we care.
      Note to those who like to use the safe anonymity of the computer to [...]

      Read the full comment insult and belittle others: At least learn to spell your insults. Or...... maybe don't bother. I find it amusing.

    • Anonymous
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      #55 18, 10, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      A couple of comments.
      1. The difference between schizophrenic and bi-polar persons is that Schizophrenic persons thinks that the FBI is after them and Bi-polar persons thinks that they are the FBI. My early textbooks made reference to Manic people thinking that they were Napoleon. When I worked at the Utah State Hospital, they thought, instead, that they were Brigham Young. My experience has shown me that people incorporate their religion into their neurosis or their neurosis into their religion. If my self esteem is supported by placing others beneath me, then it will become evident as I [...]

      Read the full comment express my beliefs whether God centered or atheistic. I would consider others as hell bate or fools, respectfully. My personal neurosis makes trusting difficult. I find archaeology interesting yet never convincing. For me, my belief system needs to be tautologically tight, have a desirable outcome, and resonate within. I wish my faith could be more simple. I tend to be patient and so I imagine that God would be patient as well.
      2. Different Gods.
      My kids call me dad, My wife calls my richard, my daughters boyfriend calls me sir, at church I am brother h, and the guy I ran into called me SOB. (Just my neurosis), yet, if I'm not confused, then I don't think God would be either.

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      #54 12, 41, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      Later on, more Genocide of the Jews, by Mohammed’s Muslim army when “…hundreds of Jews killed between 1010 and 1013 near Cordoba, and other parts of Muslim Spain; of the massacre of the entire Jewish community of roughly 4000 in Granada during the Muslim riots of 1066…” – see foreword by Ibn Warraq, a former Muslim and scholar in the book by Dr. Andrew Bostom, “The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History” (Prometheus Books; Reprint edition, 2008). The Jews were spared earlier as they were forced or exploited to be used as soldiers, intellectuals and craftsmen, [...]

      Read the full comment against Christian majority. Thus violent Arab-Muslims, is suspected to have sowed the seed for extreme hateful and racialized anti-Jew belief and attitude amongst the Christians, who have co-existed with the Jews, although amidst religious conflicts, before in ancient Europe.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #53 12, 37, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      Anti-Semitism, I suspect, was constructed by Mohammed, the Arabic founder of Islam. In order to annihilate the Jews completely, he ‘racialized’ the Jews, as enemy of the Arab race. See the book by Dr. Andrew Bostom, “The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism: From Sacred Texts to Solemn History” (Prometheus Books; Reprint edition, 2008).

    • Anonymous neutral
      #52 12, 32, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      To the Muslims here who tried to potray deceitfully as if our Christian God and Prophets as if the same as the Muslim/Arabic god, and had even Arabic names, they are not! Let's be clear about that - we believe our dear Christ as God and Messiah at the same time - which Islam is opposed to, and undermining such Christian believe by claiming Christ is only a prophet and even inferior to Mohammed, the so-called Arabic prophet and founder of Islam! Mohammed cannot be a prophet, for all the evilness he has committed such as being a pedophile and [...]

      Read the full comment enslaving Jewish women captives as sexual slaves, and mass murdering Jews in the first systematic racial Genocide to construct pure Arabian kingdom!

    • Anonymous neutral
      #51 12, 19, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      Brilliant news from Bulgaria! I hope Bulgaria as the ancient Christian land will be revived and preserved - my only memory of Bulgaria so far was of it's horrible airport and a few scary-looking Stalinist soldier! Now, finally Bulgaria has returned to its most precious and ancient Christian heritage and foundation! Thank our dear Christ!

    • Anonymous
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      #50 10, 24, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      may GODbless us all,all praises are for GOD the only one, i am not sure what to write butif benifits or harms any one it will be only for the sake of GOD, i guess ,john the baptist(yahya peace upon him)son of zachria peace upon him from the childrens of jacob peace upon him and the group of people who were saved on noaha's(nuh peace be upon him)arc,atleast bible calls him the truth teller a guided one a path maker for lord jesus(isah ibn-e marryam peace be upon him),as some of us denied him completely and even killed him, anyway,i [...]

      Read the full comment am not preaching anything here but the truth, why we deny the truth, its human nature, we deny the truth all our life and run after fake pleasures,world full of pain , lies,never complete, never fullfilled,passes by so fast that u need 2 to learn, one is just not enough so much greed,lust, speed, from the best to the nothing so fast,from famous to dead so quick, we witness but we dont feel,but yet we deny the truth, we have double standards even for ourselves we are so selfish that selfless looks ugly to us,selflessness the key to success and successfull honest life peacefull with ur wives and peaceful for every creation of the creator,peaceful and honest,after this if u r still reading this, just ask urself one question who do u think i am ?? i submitted myself to god, i am obedient to my country the most beautiful "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"where people are far more honest and loving then where my father is from(pakistan),i also love pakistan, like italians,irish, russians, scots,dutch,etcccc, sorry i love all cant mention all but, one more the great childrens of ISRAEL , i love jews they are GOD people and we have so much in common, i work for a jewish boss who was more generous then my pakistani boss, i swear i love rafael shirman he is the greatest friend i have,lets get back to my fear,the bones of john the baptist(yahya peace be upon him),bones of prophtes have loads of powers, bones of saints also we believe that too, sooooo , so many will claim the bones,maybe a war,maybe not, i hope not, i hope GOD guides us all,no war,no killing,live and let live,if knowledge speaks its heard and missed but if ignorence speaks its funny and enjoyable means good to laugh but it dies and does nothing good to no one, my christian brothers and jewish brothers should read holy BIBLE,(holy taurath or holy INJEEL or ZABUR),learn armaic the language of lord JESUS peace be upon him,GOD,ELAH,ELAWH,ELAHI,ELI-H,ELLAH,EL-LAH,a-LLAH,ALPHA,ALAP,WHY NOT JUST SAY IT.............ALLAH,our hearts get scared coz devil has put rust on our hearts including me the most,i am a jew i am christian coz i am a muslim,let me live my life,please dont hate us, please dont hate our kids at school, if i want my daughter to wear hijab and she loves to wear it as she got so used to at the early age,please dont take it off, she cried in my arms like some has taken her(god forgive me), i am sorry no complaints, complaints only to GOD who is almighty and listens and he is not needy like humans, who listens everybody's yard is filled with complaints, so much pain ,but its good to suffer coz reward is from GOD,i am sorry if i have anoyed any one as again we may never meet again,let us agree on what we have in common and save our kids our nations, our values, no matter what we are no matter what we look like what age what faith lets fight the devil and tell the athiest brothers to either join us or dont call for GOD when u r really in pain or need,lets fight the devil as it grows in our houses,when all that can be used positively just bring back the USA,UK,RUSSIA,EVERY GREAT COUNTRY OF THE WORLD we had 40 years ago,love peace ,family dinners,grandmas,honesty,slow pace, GODbless us all,i end it with the name of GOD(ALLAH)guide us all.

    • Anonymous
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      #49 04, 34, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      Everyone, please. Don't be the bell to Pavlov. Don't be the person who can not look within nor look at the face in the mirror. Is it not enough that "findings" are actually being made, can we not just be pleased that there are people who are actually out there digging and and finding THEIR truths? It does not have to be YOURS. It is all right.

    • Anonymous
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      #48 01, 35, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      I find it interesting that the only comment pavlov's dogs found to be exempt was the one from Muslim Lady. Yet, she said much the same as the proclaimed Christians here. Deeply troubling that just because of a label one is treated different than another. Sad really

    • Anonymous
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      #47 00, 41, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      How in the world could anyone possibly know that any remains of any kind belong to the long dead & headless John the Baptist?

    • Anonymous
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      #46 00, 40, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      Some of these goofy posts from the so-called "believers" only suggest the problem we have within our culture today. Believe or burn in hell, etc., what BS!

    • Anonymous
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      #45 00, 01, Thu, Aug 05 2010

      Amen Laura. So true and so important for all to know that we are living in the last days before Jesus comes back. It is so very important for everyone to seriously consider the question, where will I go when I die? The answer is, If you don't believe that Jesus is the saviour through whom our sins are forgiven, you will go to Hell for all eternity, but if you believe you'll go to Heaven for all eternity. So you have to realize you are a sinner and separated from God. In order to be reconciled with God you [...]

      Read the full comment have to repent and ask for forgiveness through our Lord Jesus, the Christ. So I hope everyone reading this, will seriously think of this and hopefully repent before it's too late.

    • Anonymous
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      #44 23, 54, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      THERE ARE NO ATHIEST IN FOXHOLES, WELL WE DON'T THAT FOR SURE, BUT MY COUSIN WAS A DEVOUT ATHIEST AND AS HIS BACK WAS BEING BROKEN WITH SPINAL MENEGITIS, HE CONVUSLED AND BLED FROM THE EYES, I DO REMEMBER WHAT CAME OUT OF HIS MOUTH. OH JESUS HELP ME, HELP HELP ME LORD

    • Anonymous
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      #43 23, 52, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      I find this very amusing, all of a sudden, you evolutionist understand what science is all about. You are right, you cannot prove scientifically that these bones belong to John the Baptist, in order to do that you would have had to observe the bones being put in there 2000 yrs ago. In addition you would have had to observe the bones coming from John. What you always fail to do is apply this same logic to all of your other beliefs, IE evolution, Big Bang...You are as religious in your beliefs as the most fanatical Christian out there.

    • Anonymous
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      #42 23, 45, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      The bones are not those of John the Baptist. Like Christ, John was resurected also.

    • Anonymous
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      #41 23, 40, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      To "Richard H" - Thank you for the voice of reason and for not indulging in the judgmental hatefulness so evident on both sides of this discussion. As a Christian, to me this is just interesting archeology. It would be prideful (a sin, as I recall) of me to judge either those who chose not to believe, as much as those who do believe. However, it IS a Biblical obligation to hold other Christians accountable for being poor examples. That includes hateful, negative, judgemental attitudes towards those you are trying to "convince". Convince of what? What are you showing them [...]

      Read the full comment that they would want or be attracted to? Live your example face-to-face with people.
      Now...having been a student a Fuller Seminary, I would only ask that the secularists study the evidence - external/internal/biographical [by objective sources] that there are over 5,500 manuscripts providing proof of the [accuracy of] the New Testament. Literature that we studied in school (The Iliad, or Ceasar's Gaellic Wars, for example - have a few as 300 manuscripts or archeological methods of proof, and yet we are taught and assume that they are fact.) Do your homework. Repeatedly the Bible encourages us not to blindly "follow" but to seek, challenge, and ask questions. Jesus was the ultimate non-conformist. He was anything BUT policitally correct. Many intellects have set out to prove that God does not exist, and in the journey - found God. C. S. Lewis.

    • Anonymous
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      #40 23, 25, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      It doesn't matter to me whether or not John the Baptist remains were found or not, but to all of you some day EVERY knee will bow and EVERY tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You can choose not to believe in God, but some day it will be too late and you will have to live with your choice for eternity. I hope and pray that you open your minds and hearts and let Jesus save you from your sins that HE came to die on the cross for. Don't spend eternity in Hell, spend it in [...]

      Read the full comment heaven with Jesus, and spend life on earth following him and living for him. Everyone of you is precious to Jesus and He wants you for his own.

    • Anonymous
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      #39 23, 08, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      For all th enaysayers, argue with the archeologists...As far as the bones of Jesus...never! He is risen:)0)

    • Anonymous
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      #38 23, 00, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      You anti-atheists are more than a hoot. You just can't let go of mythology and superstition under any circumstances. Supernatural powers must exist, because you say so.

    • Anonymous
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      #37 23, 00, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      You people believe nothing....I will pray for you all...

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      #36 23, 00, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      My third above statement in my post refers to the richard h post.
      To anyone who cares. However, in the interests of science it is good to have those who will disect this find with impartial scrutiny. We do need those who oppose something so we can validate the truth in the end. Just like god says, there is a place and a reason for everything and everyone. Even athiests.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #35 22, 51, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      You athiests are a hoot. So much anger and hatred toward something you claim does not exist. Something does not add up does it? I don't think there is a loch ness monster, but have never felt the need to go to post my views and deride those who believe, after any news story or article on the matter. See third post from top.

      But hey, it is fun to hate something isn't it? Makes you feel good about yourself that you are so "intelligent" as to not fall for all the "hokey nonesense".
      [...]

      Read the full comment
      The more you learn the less you know. I think we see where most athiest are at, their own cozy little world of I know enough to know everyting. I envy you...almost.

    • Anonymous
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      #34 22, 26, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      Just more religious BS. Some of us are not even convinced that John the Baptist ever really existed. The Shroud of Turin, Noah's Ark, etc., what will be next? The bones of Jesus?

    • Anonymous
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      #33 21, 26, Wed, Aug 04 2010



      Nature is God , it is that simple ...
      ==================

    • Anonymous
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      #32 18, 55, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      Actually being a psychologist, I find the banter saddening and off point. We usually get off point when we have some issue. If I follow Jesus and have love in my heart I would have no reason to condemn the atheist(judge not that ye be not judged). If atheist, why venomously argue against what doesn't exist. Sounds like shadow boxing. Unless, like the monster in the closet, you're not exactly sure it doesn't exist. Religious countries have killed millions, and secular governments have killed millions (and keep relics). It is hatred, greed and lust that kills not religion or the [...]

      Read the full comment lack there of. Of course JTB was a religious person killed by a politician for some of those reasons, not just because he was a religionist
      To the point, carbon date the bones for a start. An interesting squible of religious history indicated that many righteous persons were also resurrected at the time Jesus was resurrected. If this was so (as witnesses claim) would JTB have been included in this event. If so, all JTB relics including all of his 8 enshrined heads would not be authentic.

    • Anonymous
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      #31 17, 40, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      RE: Pavlov's Dog
      He says, 'What sort of person spends time actively looking for something to sneer at? It is a person with low self-esteem; who needs a hate-figure in order to feel better about who they are....'
      HELLO, look who has the longest comment in this thread. It's too bad that Pavlov's Dog cannot realize his words are simply indicative of him being a hater. Once again, why not stick to the subject at hand?

    • Anonymous neutral
      #30 14, 23, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      This is a truly amazing discovery- we have come so far, and it is mind blowing to think of the things we can do now and in the future.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #29 09, 09, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      Well Pavlov, unless you hold a degree in psychology, you´d better keep from this kind of psycholosizing, and just accept that just as there are people who want to promote religion (for instance by calling at your door on sunday morning), there are people who want to fight it - for intellectual reasons or because they have suffered under the pressure of religious fanatism. I am glad that I am allowed to say that I think religion is a dangerous phenomenon because it makes people believe in things that can not be proven or falsified, and so can be abused [...]

      Read the full comment to justify all manner of ¨cruelty - like roasting Kathars, protestants and Jews alive as an act of faith (¨Auto da fé)or blow up other muslims because they are not Sunni but Shia.
      Valentinian, unlass you are blind, you will see that the countries where corruption and abuse of government power are rife are exactly the countries where religion still has a prominent role in society (Italy, Greece, South America, most muslim countries) wheras the countries where human rights are guarded best are countries where religion is marginal (Scandinavia, UK, Holland).
      And finally(on the risk of being accused of dabbling in psychology) I can tell you from close observation that many people who join sects or charismatic religious movements display instable personalities, the need for strong leadership and/or unsatisfied emotional needs.

    • Anonymous
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      #28 02, 46, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      I have read the comments on this news item. Most of the posters (with the exception of 'Muslim Lady') have only produced the same boring unoriginal bigoted statements that news items with any connection to religion always attract. None of you have anything original to say; it is the same old bigoted ranting; why do you bother? It is like watching Pavlov's dogs salivating because a bell has been rung. I have a question for you, why are you so obsessed with religion that you have to trawl the internet looking for news items with a religious connection in order [...]

      Read the full comment to sneer at them? If you are not interested in John, in Bulgarian archaeology, why are you reading / commenting on this item? What sort of person spends time actively looking for something to sneer at? It is a person with low self-esteem; who needs a hate-figure in order to feel better about who they are. If you are obsessively posting hate-messages on the internet then you probably need professional psychological counselling. If you are doing this occasionally, then I suggest you need to 'get a life'. The third possibility is that you keep coming back to scratch at this itch because it feeds some deep hunger you have. You write bigoted comments about religion. I suspect that secretly you would like to be a religious bigot - what a wonderful opportunity to sneer at people that would afford you. All the decent people I know are not bigoted, whether they are religious or non-religious. I respect religious and non-religious people who are able to make respectful intelligent rational arguments in support of their positions. Bigots like you, hmmm, whilst on the one hand I do feel sorry for you, especially if you are just acting out a psychological problem (and I note that you are all males and thus statistically more likely to be lonely nerdy guys trying to substitute for a lack of an emotional connection to others through your online ravings), but I also wish you would take your problems elsewhere so that online debate could become something much more intellectually satisfying, entertaining, and worthwhile. Perhaps you should give up posting for a while, maybe get a note from your doctor to say it is okay for you to be doing this before you come back here again to get another fix for your problems. Just a kind thought from someone who has your best interests at heart. Poor little boys, all lost, all so very needy. And what have you got in life, I mean apart from your bigoted ranting against hate-figures? Is this how you get back at your mother for making you use the big boy toilet before you were really ready to? Sad. Very, very, very, sad.

    • Anonymous
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      #27 00, 13, Wed, Aug 04 2010

      *Your sons would be drones, your daughters, mindless prostitutes.*

    • Anonymous
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      #26 23, 59, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      If their was no religion, corrupt governments would have their way. You sons would be drones, your daughters mindless prostitutes. Separation of Church and State is ALREADY a part of our government. YOU may like to perceive yourself as just another slave of the government, but personally I would rather believe my life has value.

    • Anonymous
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      #25 21, 44, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      Who is John the Baptist and for that matter who is jesus.There is no such thing god we are all a product of nature and dead is dead there is no after life and if there was no religion there would be peace on earth. People only worship because they are frightend to die,if there was a god who had compassion he would not let people suffer like they are today.

    • Anonymous neutral
      #24 21, 19, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      Oh yes, God created the world in six days, and planted all those fossils to confuse the unbelievers, and he flooded the whole world and let only Noach and his kin survive in the Ark, and the walls of Jericho fell down after three days and Joshua, on the order of God killed every man, woman and child inside and spared only Hagar the whore and her family, etc etc....

    • Anonymous
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      #23 21, 19, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      I was taken by aliens last week to planet OG.

    • Anonymous
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      #22 21, 16, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      How is it possible it has not been stolen lake all the other finds?

    • Anonymous
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      #21 20, 52, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      How exactly are they going to "prove" that these bones belonged to John the Baptist?? I am intrigued.
      Can somebody please explain how you test to prove identities of people who died over 2,000 years ago? Oh I see, someone conveniently wrote his name on the box! how thoughtful

    • Anonymous
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      #20 20, 42, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      This story has just been on BBC news, at least a lot of people now know where the heck Bulgaria is very good for tourists.

      I have just found some old bones in my garden does anyone want to come and look for a modest price.

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      Jay Raskin Rating:
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      #19 17, 57, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      Do you think it is 1500 and people are so easily fooled. This only shows that Bulgaria is 500 years behind the times when it comes to science.
      I hope Bulgarian officials will issue an apology for this nonsense and fire whoever is responsible.

    • Anonymous
      Tony Rating:
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      #18 17, 52, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      Gosh I'm amazed. I've just checked e-bay and I thought they could only be purchased in packs of ten. well done Bulgarian tourist board

    • Anonymous
      onethorn Rating:
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      #17 17, 50, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      RE: Joel
      Yes, I know that this is only a depiction. No one actually knows what some of these bible characters looked like (with exception to allusions of Jesus [Isa. 50:6; 52:14 (prior to crucifixion and 'suffering servant'); 53:2, and others].
      And perhaps you think it is 'picky' to point out the (wrong) nature of this picture, but it still is a mistake of the writers. What if we use YOUR photo (image) to try and support this article, especially since this is supposed to be a find of historical purportions?
      And please do [...]

      Read the full comment not spout out things you are ignorant of, such as: 'We only know about those that are also recorded in contempory records...' This simply is NOT true. Even the ancient Arab world was/is great preservers of biblical records. These records are a matter of acurate history.

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      Joel Rating:
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      #16 17, 02, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      onethorn & pixel, you need to remember that this picture is not of anyone, it is an artists re-imagination of someone who lived 1,500 years before the picture was painted so a little bit picky to correct anyone for using it as if it is a photo.
      Also the bible said the world was created in 7 days so can you really believe that everyone in it existed? We only know about those that are also recorded in contempory records, anything else is wishful thinking... oops sorry that should read 'faith'

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      muslim. lady Rating:
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      #15 16, 09, Tue, Aug 03 2010


      we believe in the bible as well as our book Quran.& tour-ah..
      John the baptist is a prophet known as Yayah...he was precursor to Jesus and was the son of zakariah peace and blessings be upon them all and on mohammed.saw.

      is john he a percurser to the second comming of jeasus...what a find
      we believe there will be a second comming..

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      muslim. lady Rating:
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      #14 16, 08, Tue, Aug 03 2010


      we believe in the bible as well as our book Quran.& tour-ah..
      John the baptist is a prophet known as Yayah...he was precursor to Jesus and was the son of zakariah peace and blessings be upon them all and on mohammed.saw.

      is john he a percurser to the second comming of jeasus...what a find
      we believe there will be a second comming..

    • Anonymous
      And-so Rating:
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      #13 15, 30, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      So much for rest in peace!

    • Anonymous
      Justn Rating:
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      #12 14, 51, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      I have a splinter of the true cross. My Dad brought it back from palestine, after WWII inside a little silver cross.

      John The Baptist did exist Huib it says so very clearly in the Bible. He was Jesus' cousin.

      At least God will know where to look for bits of JTB when He is reconstituting everyone at the end of time. WHich puts me in mind of the statistical possibility that a small bit of carbon in my body was once owned by Julius Ceaser. I wonder who God will give [...]

      Read the full comment it to when I'm reconstituted.

      It is also said that the water in London has already been filtered through four other sets of kidney. But perhaps thats appocryphal

    • Anonymous
      theBigLie Rating:
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      #11 14, 22, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      all rubbish- throughout history bones were taken from any source and given the providence of being a relic to encourage pilgrims to a centre, and for what.. financial gain of whatever monestary/church/central office of a sect etc etc....sounds ideal marketing for a christian holiday centre...

    • Anonymous
      Pixel Rating:
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      #10 14, 05, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      The picture looks like John the Young,one of Jesus's disciples.

    • Anonymous
      Pixel Rating:
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      #9 14, 05, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      The picture looks like John the Young,one of Jesus's disciples.

    • Anonymous
      Believer Rating:
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      #8 13, 18, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      This is amazing.

      Perhaps one day, we will find the bones of Jesus as well.

    • Anonymous
      onethorn Rating:
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      #7 00, 08, Tue, Aug 03 2010

      Let's be sure about some things -- the photo (image) depicted with this article is of the APOSTLE John [by Hans Memling, c.1468
      (The National Gallery, London)], not John the Baptist. The two John's of the bible are two different people.
      There are many claims of such (John the Baptist) relics all over the world.

    • Anonymous
      georg peter Rating:
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      #6 20, 19, Mon, Aug 02 2010

      Take it easy and ... a lot of care with "the remains of JTB", my bulgarian christian brothers ... it will take years or tens of years to proof ...that "discovery" is a real one !

    • Anonymous
      richard h Rating:
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      #5 20, 18, Mon, Aug 02 2010

      A much more scientific approach, than carbon dating, would be building a hotel and doing statistical analysis of tourist responses. A little ANOVA could control for nationality, religion and fanatical faith. All without desecrating the relic.

    • Anonymous
      richard h Rating:
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      #4 20, 09, Mon, Aug 02 2010

      Thank Heavens it wasn't another JTB skull!

    • Anonymous neutral
      #3 16, 18, Mon, Aug 02 2010

      I hope Prof. Popkonstantinov is more careful in his archeological methods than he displays in attributing a couple of bones to a man who may have existed, but maybe not as well. That the popes are all in a frenzy is not strange - if someone came up with Peter´s penis bone they would also believe it. From two professors I expect more rigour - or is this the state os science in BG?.

    • Anonymous
      Doug Gibson Rating:
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      #2 15, 31, Mon, Aug 02 2010

      This is news? I have a book written in the late 50s that points out that the author was aware of at least several churches, each claiming to possess the full skeletons of John. You could have a forest of the pieces of the 'true' cross if you go to all the churches in Europe.

    • Anonymous
      Bob Dobbs Rating:
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      #1 12, 54, Mon, Aug 02 2010

      Coincidentally they announced the same day plans for a local christian themed resort complex.
      I'm wondering if the space aliens communicated the location of the reliquary through local crop circles, (as they speak to our other top scientists) or whether it was god himself who provided "proof" that the remains belong to JTB through some miraculous DNA test ?

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