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Turkish naval corvette enters Greek waters and sails almost to Athens
Cape Sounion some 60km southeast of Athens
Photo: Adam Carr
A Turkish naval vessel crossed into Greek territorial waters, headed west and sailed almost to Athens, the daily Greek Ta Nea reported on March 16 2010.
The corvette reached cape Sounion on the Attica peninsula and the island of Kea, just south of Athens, before heading northeast into the Aegean sea and then proceeding towards the Dardanelles.
According to Ta Nea, this is the eleventh such case of violation of Turkish naval vessels since November 7 2009, and the sixth in 2010 alone. It has been described by Athens officials as a new form of provocation.
Greek air space is often violated by Turkish fighting jets. As recently as February10 2010, eight Turkish fighter jets violated Greek air space in the Aegean Sea.
In a previous violation, four F-16s and four Phantoms F-4s penetrated Greek airspace at the south-eastern island of Samos, a touching distance from mainland Turkey.
The incursion of Turkish frigates and corvettes in Greek seas, however, has taken the cat and mouse game to a completely different level. Another such brazen violation was the case on January 14 2009 when a Turkish frigate reached the Saronian gulf (Saronikos Kolpos) in Athens.
In the aftermath of this latest incident, the Greek defence ministry has informed the foreign ministry which is expected to file an official complaint to the Turkish government.
The corvette reached cape Sounion on the Attica peninsula and the island of Kea, just south of Athens, before heading northeast into the Aegean sea and then proceeding towards the Dardanelles.
According to Ta Nea, this is the eleventh such case of violation of Turkish naval vessels since November 7 2009, and the sixth in 2010 alone. It has been described by Athens officials as a new form of provocation.
Greek air space is often violated by Turkish fighting jets. As recently as February10 2010, eight Turkish fighter jets violated Greek air space in the Aegean Sea.
In a previous violation, four F-16s and four Phantoms F-4s penetrated Greek airspace at the south-eastern island of Samos, a touching distance from mainland Turkey.
The incursion of Turkish frigates and corvettes in Greek seas, however, has taken the cat and mouse game to a completely different level. Another such brazen violation was the case on January 14 2009 when a Turkish frigate reached the Saronian gulf (Saronikos Kolpos) in Athens.
In the aftermath of this latest incident, the Greek defence ministry has informed the foreign ministry which is expected to file an official complaint to the Turkish government.
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I recommend to all those posting about this issue to read the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea which defined the international interpretation of territorial waters. This was signed by 179 countries. Turkey, curiously, did not sign but interestingly they adopted the 12 mile limit of their territorial waters in the Black Sea and Mediterranean but refuse Greece the right to do so in the Aegean as guaranteed under the internationally recognized UN convention. Also, in accordance with this convention, military craft are allowed transit passage which mean they can pass through a state's territorial waters to [...]
Read the full comment go from one are of international waters to another. I don't think what the Turkish frigate was doing near Athens fits this definition. Sorry but Turkey does not have a legal leg to stand on in this issue. That's why they don't refer to the ICJ and do not sign the Law of the Sea convention.
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The presumption here is that the waters cited in the article via Greek sources are Greek.
Turkish officials say that the unilateral extension of territorial waters by Greece is not accepted.
See the following for more http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek%E2%80%93Turkish
Agreed.
Jamal
Soccer is not one of my favorites I prefer good reading the immensity of the Internet
GOOD DEBATE WITH EXCHANGE OF
IDEAS AND KNOWLEDGE
You have a strong point in your exposition of descent.
AS VENIZELOS AND ATATURK BOTH ACCEPTED WE ARE BOUND TO LIVE AS NEIGHBOORS WETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT SO WE HAVE TO DO THE BEST TO MAKE IT WORK.
Aries, I wish neither you, nor I; neither your people, nor mine, neither your government, nor mine had any problems; but we do.
Maybe someday ahead you and I will have the chance to embrace our Ancient Greek, Spartan, Minoan, Macedonian, Persian, Roman, Byzantine, and Ottoman roots together; since we do have joint ancestry from all those passing civilizations. You are not exactly a Greek from Ancient Greece anymore, and I am not exactly a Turk from the times of the Hun Dynasty.
But until that day, you have your reasons, and [...]
Read the full comment I have mine; and I suppose only the love for soccer binds us.
Jamal
you can claim even the whole state of Michigan in your dreams but i strongly suggest do not trepass your neighbors' property A lot of thing can happen if you do specifically in the States.
(treading on foreign property)
I agree on the misinformation in the reporting.
This pseudo-news (with missing details) does not inform the reader according to whose or what law these so-called violations occur. I am guessing that the Turkish Navy likely did not pass within 6 miles of mainland Greece (the small Islands have no jurisdiction due to overlapping boundaries with Turkey and within the Aegean).
So basically this is violation according to Greece who kids itself with the prospect of having 12 miles.
I live in Michigan, and I claim 10K miles from my house which I legally own and claim this 10K radius [...]
Read the full comment as my territory (alright I'll be frank, I claim 5K miles in my name, and 5K miles for the mortgaging bank). Greece you are violating my territory.
I suppose chasing my grandma away from her land/home in Crete isn't enough for you people. You want the whole Aegean? Sorry, but I am not sorry.
Badturk
No my friend the greek government says there is International waters in the Aegean and Greek territorial waters.
Have you Heard about Public International Law ?
hope it's helpfull.
cheers
Dee
you must be very young to say
<<<pay for what?>>>
Turkey was not born in 1915 with Kemal Ataturk it comes from your Urheimat in distant Mongolia
Thanks for asking.
Peco,Peco
bad bad boy Peco thinks that the enemy of his enemy is his friend
wrong peco wrong peco likes reading Stefov cr*p he reads it each night before going to bed instead of taking a pill and going nani nani.
I can swim in Aegean and violate these so called "Greek waters". According to Greek goverment all Aegean is Greek waters. Let's just find a way of coexist in Aegean.
Aries. Understand this. Greece cannot win. The drivel you post is just clarification that you cannot except your irrelavance. Here is some advise. Why don't you and your nation full of people like you, continue to eat, drink and breath hatred for Turkey. Live an angry, vengful life. Continue spitting venom from your mouth. Lets see if anyone from the Balkans, North Africa and the ME gives a hoot about your sad lives... Pay back you say - what for? For stopping Greece from realizining its true potential and becoming the leader of the world? Huh! If we stopped you [...]
Read the full comment from that - good on us!
PEter believe or not the world does not revolve around Skopje and 100% of greeks don't even know you Skopjans even exist...do get a life.
Aries, Grcja si kopa svojot grob.Pred nekolku godini Turcja mu strela avion na grcja i nishto ne mozhea da storat.Pametish vo 1974 so huntata,site vojnicki "craights" beja so plitary polni,ne oruzhje.Aries, Grcja et mamena drzhava.As I said below,and furthere to that Greece has not even paid for the boots their army is wearing.Their economy is in the 19th century,and no body is to blame but themselves.The Kurdish saga is no worse than the Macedonian in Greece my friend.The US would said nothing if it was pre-1990,Turkey was more importent to USA as it bordered the former Soviet Union. The US [...]
Read the full comment politics is based on Lobbyists that pour billions to the representatives.Sounds familiar? Greece has been pouring millions to the news media againts Macedonia.If we are to talk, lets talk straight as truthfuly as we can.As for the blossoming fruit trees,I am sure they are if left along by the Greek army.The truth always will triumph.
Peco, Peco where have you been?
i like hearing from you how are you how is Florina at this time of year have the amygladies blossomed
do the news reach you in the diaspora priatele kak si dobre li si.
Bad bad boys the Greeks the have their ships and planes like sitting ducks and Peco is worried
what a shame...
Dober vecher
Greece has no money to buy petrol for their airplains or navy.They are sitting ducks for Turkey, but had a lot of money to destroy the Macedonian farmland last year.No wonder why they cannot collect enough money in taxes. The fields near Lerin are no longer usable due to live ammunition used by the Greek army.
Mills
All planes military or civilian must submit flight plans to the FIR of the neighboring country
"allied of Not"
That is for the safetly of flights
thanks for asking.
Considering they are both NATO members, I would be amazed if military vessels and aircraft did not cross each others territory.
Besides that, there is every right for any nations shipping, military or civilian to pass through or across territorial space on their lawful and non hostile business.
DEE
MY friend if we owe money you owe much more than money that is HUMAN LIVES TO THE WHOLE BALKANS TO EGYPT TO ARABIA for atrocities
comitted. Pay back
Cheers!!!!
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So, what's the purpose of violating territorial waters and airspace? It doesn't seem like a big deal if after numerous infractions the Greeks haven't even filed a formal complaint. What are the Turks doing anyway?
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Airbase from Incirlik to Crete - You can have it!!!!! Aries, you sound just as nervous as all good Hellenes should be about Turkey. Have some honour and pay back your debts to the Germans and stop irritating everyone! Turkish boats can/will go wherever they want and I'm proud that they annoy Greece in doing so. Read it and weep! Feeding the fish - ohh should we be afraid of Papanikolis's ghost, or the EU who always bail you out?
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One of these days the Turks (have carried out due reconaissance as per this report) are going to actually invade Cape Sounion, even if only for 48 hours !
What will the cash-strapped Hellenic navy do then ?
We watch and wait.....
Turkey got two big diplomatic Slaps right in the face one concerning the USA voting for the Armenian Genocide and the other
the Swedish vote concerning the
the same issue, not to mention the bad conditions in the relationship between the Generals and Erdogan
plus the Tension with Syria.
As a consequence of diplomatic defeats the generals order from time to time such childish events just for local consumption Greece will not bite the bait except if provoked beyond all measures .
in the next few months we may see [...]
Read the full comment the turk's oceanographic vessel in the Aegean and maybe earlier according to wether or not the Kurds have bad intentions or if the Americans move their Incirlik base to Crete and the scenarios are multiple and gloomy.
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