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Fallout in the Balkans?

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Fallout in the Balkans?

CENTRAL: With Greek banks having expanded throughout South Eastern Europe, countries in the region are worried about lending trends in the immediate future; while some in Greece are worried about the foreign policy implications of the Greek crisis.

There was a time, not long ago, when the story of banking acquisitions and consolidation in South Eastern Europe was that of a contest for conquest between Greece and Austria, with players such as Italy and Hungary also in the game.

Now, the results of that contest – as far as it got before the global financial and economic crisis took hold – are being watched with concern by a number of countries in the region.

Banks, of course, are among the most decisive players in the economies of countries in Greece’s neighbourhood, but a more general source of worry is the wider implications of fallout from a downturn in Greek investments.

As Athens sought to negotiate with the European Union and its most influential individual members about steps to decrease Greece’s deficit, it is certain that whatever political rivalries or outright tensions there may be, leaders in other capitals were likely to have been willing the Greeks success. A lot of jobs ride on it.

In Bulgaria, Finance Minister Simeon Dyankov spoke publicly about his concerns about a possible drain of Greek banks operating in Bulgaria, and said that he had sought technical assistance from European financial institutions to look into the issue.

"We expect to get a reply in the next three weeks. Or else I will continue to worry even more," Dyankov was quoted by Bulgarian news agency BTA as saying on March 1.

Within a few hours, Postbank, of which Greece’s EFG Eurobank is the main shareholder, had issued assurances that no draining was going on, while at least one other bank – which declined to be identified in a report by Bulgarian daily Dnevnik – gave similar assurances.

Giving credit
Concerns were not limited to Sofia.

In Romania, EFG Eurobank controls Bancpost, the National Bank of Greece (NBG) is the majority shareholder in Banca Romaneasca and, among others, Alpha Bank and Piraeus Bank are also present. As in Bulgaria, the credit ratings of Romanian subsidiaries of EFG Eurobank and NBG were downgraded by Fitch on February 24.

As it is, bilateral trade between Greece and Romania saw a significant downturn because of the global financial crisis, decreasing by more than 22 per cent between the end of the third quarter of 2009 and the same point in Q3 2008.

Going by a report in Bucharest daily Financiarul, Greek and Romanian business people seemed determined not to allow the reverse to continue, and Bancpost chairman Mihai Bogza told a business forum that his bank would continue to lend to SMEs that wanted to build bilateral trade ties.

At the same forum, there was a similar message from Greece’s ambassador in Bucharest, Georgios Poukamissas, who said that a pragmatic approach was called for, that would see the two countries working together to get through the crisis. The position of Greek banks in Romania was strong, Poukamissas said, and the banks were not influenced by economic pressure from Greece, enabling them to help SMEs in both countries, he said.

Bilateral blues
The best-known issue between Skopje and Athens is the long-standing dispute about the use of the name Macedonia, but at the same time Greece is a powerful player in the economy of its neighbour, no matter how fraught the political problems.

Macedonia is especially vulnerable; hardly boasting a powerhouse economy in the first place, it has reached unemployment reportedly of more than 30 per cent, while new official figures show CPI inflation at 1.9 per cent higher in February 2010 than it was in the same month the year before. Notably, all food prices – vegetables, fruit, fish, dairy, processed meat among them – were up.

On March 1, Balkan Insight reported from Skopje that trade between Macedonia and Greece had plummeted in 2009. By the end of Q3 2009, Macedonia’s exports to Greece were 160 million euro, down from 340 million euro in the same period of 2008.

For all that, Macedonian finance minister Zoran Stavreski insisted that he did not expect "serious negative influences" from the Greek crisis, saying that his country "with its business environment and low taxes, provides good conditions for the Greeks and other investors".

Serbians are likely also to be watching developments in Athens with concern. In Serbia, Greek banks provide more than 10 per cent of loans. By no means on unshakeable ground in economic terms, Serbia saw in 2009 its local currency, the dinar, lose about seven per cent in value against the euro, which while on paper could enhance Serbia’s attractiveness as an investment destination, is making it difficult for some Serbians to repay euro-denominated loans.

Unemployment in Serbia has been worsening, with official joblessness at 16.6 per cent, this figure having been reached after a jump of 2.9 per cent between December 2009 and January 2010.

With several countries dependent, significantly or in part, on Greek recovery and stability, concern was expressed at another level – this time political, not economic – about the fallout from the current crisis.

In a commentary on March 1, leading Greek daily Kathimerini assessed what it saw as the possible foreign policy implications of the crisis in Greece.

"There is no doubt that a Greece that is evidently weakened in European institutions such as the European Commission and the European Parliament, will have significantly less political capital to press for diplomatic solutions to its liking. If Greece does not act quickly to restore confidence in its economy, the country’s diplomatic clout will be similarly undermined," the daily said.

Advocating that Greece, struggling economically, could turn the tables by surging ahead with diplomatic initiatives that could bring the region’s peoples together, Kathimerini said: "A weaker, poorer Greece will mean a weaker, poorer Balkans".

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Anonymous David Thu, Apr 22 2010 15:19 CET

well david (otan teliosoun oi alvanoi me tin mana sou) it looks like you spoke to soon

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Anonymous otan teliossi o thanatos Thu, Mar 11 2010 18:34 CET

Alas, David is still with us, Koinou mou, and has even better evidence that Ellas / Greece is going down the European plughole faster than you can say "drachmai"...

Kalimera sou

Anonymous Koinos Nous Thu, Mar 11 2010 07:32 CET

Where is david? did he FINALLY croak? The world would be over joyed!

Anonymousotan teliossi o polemosTue, Mar 09 2010 22:33 CET

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Anonymous Brynhildr Tue, Mar 09 2010 19:16 CET

Valeri
You seem well informed on Greek mishaps you are quite correct when
imply that "many have s***ted into the pot" but allas it's always the less-fortunate that are called in to pay the bill.

AnonymousElena's MomTue, Mar 09 2010 16:35 CET

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Anonymous Elena Tue, Mar 09 2010 09:10 CET

I agree with Pam, David you seriously need to get a life.

AnonymousPamTue, Mar 09 2010 02:47 CET

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Anonymous Valeri Mon, Mar 08 2010 23:15 CET

You guys,
I wouldn't care much about what the Germans think - they will be back in the summer regardless.
The problem is what the average Greek thinks, in that they are addicted to lifestyle and services that are divorced from our Balkan work habits and productivity.

Learning to adjust will be a problem and hopefully all those protesters won't trash your cities much before the dust settles.

Greece, not unlike Island and others was suckered in by big time Wall Street investment firms too, but your government [...]

Read the full comment wasn't innocent in all that as well, so when I hear calls like "it not our fault" - it's silly.

Everyone is as "guilty as a priest in a whore house", so to say, and everyone will have to pay now. Of course to some "not getting as much" will feel like "paying" but realistically, it isn't.

Who knows we are all in the same pot...

Anonymous Brynhildr Mon, Mar 08 2010 21:58 CET

As far as cultivated Germans are concerrned their anti-hellenism is less than 20% that percentage is certified by a gallop held recently.

Anonymous Otan teliossi... Mon, Mar 08 2010 21:19 CET

Valeri - you're certainly right on one thing - Greece should NEVER have played the "German Occupation" card, especially not now.

Germany, as you well say, has bailed out Greece more than once since 1945...

Trouble is, that such "reminders" from Greece tend to polarise benevolently neutral German opinion into 100% anti-Hellenic....

What more can I say ?

Anonymous Valeri Mon, Mar 08 2010 20:14 CET

This isn't good for anyone on the Balkans and yes, there is a lesson to be learnt for BG in all that, but I am not holding my breath.

Greece was "our Western neighbor to the South" but now it's clear that she was just our Southern neighbor instead.
What can you say - ability to absorb EU finds (unlike BG) has its price too - it can mislead the population into thinking that their living standards are somehow connected to their productivity, when they are not.

Too many "frapes" [...]

Read the full comment in the afternoon come home to roost eventually...

BTW bringing up the German/Greek WWII history as means of pressuring Germany to bail Greece out, was very cheap considering that Germany has been paying Greece's way in one form or another, for decades now.

Anonymous Brynhildr. Mon, Mar 08 2010 19:42 CET

I thoroughly agree with Valeri
and suggest to some illiterates
to open a book before spillng
out nonsense.

Anonymous otan teliossi o polemos Mon, Mar 08 2010 19:34 CET

Valeri - come on, you can do better than that !

Never mind about the deluded inhabitants of fYR Macedonia (and the equally deluded inhabitants of northern Greece !), there is a real point in the article above that SHOULD NOT BE MISSED:

<< "There is no doubt that a Greece that is evidently weakened in European institutions such as the European Commission and the European Parliament, will have significantly less political capital to press for diplomatic solutions to its liking. If Greece does not act quickly to restore confidence in its [...]

Read the full comment economy, the country’s diplomatic clout will be similarly undermined," the daily said. >>

Now, this is not the Skopje Slanderer tabloid speaking - this is one of Greece's best and respected broadsheet newspapers.
So it deserves respect from those reading this site.

What it effectively saying is:

(a) under the present circumstances, Greece will have 'less political solutions to press for solutions to its liking' - I.E. the Macedonia Name Issue.

(b) "the country's diplomatic clout will be similarly undermined" - there goes NATO and the "Greek Veto".

Katherimini does not say this, but even the Greek vote in EU fora is being withdrawn on occasion, so Greece cannot necessarily vote to stop ANYTHING happening !

If I were Skopje, I would note all this rather carefully.....except that Gruevski (more of a boxer than a Bridge player) will probably play his cards all wrong !


Anonymous Valeri Mon, Mar 08 2010 19:06 CET

I can't believe that ANY news about Greece brings out the FYROM-tsi right out like that...

You are about as connected with the ancient Macedonians as the Turks with the Byzantine or the Libyan Arabs with the Carthaginians...

Get that through your thick Slavic heads!

Anonymous Pam's Mom Mon, Mar 08 2010 16:34 CET

Pam - do you have anything constructive to say ? If not, then please get off-line.

I first told you that when you were 12. You have never learned.

Anonymous Pam Mon, Mar 08 2010 11:24 CET

Do shut up David and get a life

Anonymous otan teliossi o polemos Sun, Mar 07 2010 22:00 CET

Come on, Dimitri, do you learn mathematics as well as "Hellenic" history in Greece ?

The Macedonians / Makedones only surfaced in Ancient Greek history around 500 BC. Even the most Hellenophile historian would not claim much more.

Now, by my mathematics, from 500 BC to the current year of 2010 AD is exactly 2510 years, not 4000 as you claim.

If you tried to pay an Athens restaurant bill for 4000 drachmae by offering 2510 drachmae, and saying it was the same, you would be in trouble [...]

Read the full comment very quickly.

(Yes, I know that for the moment Greece is using Euros and not drachmae, but even the worst of Athens restaurants would not charge a client 4000 euros - yet ! So I have to use drachmae to make my arithmetic point.)

The Hellenic civilisation that WAS around over 3000 years ago was the Mycenaeans, not the Macedonians. Maybe you got the two "M" words confused ?

Anonymous Dimitri Sun, Mar 07 2010 12:03 CET

Yes Tony but you lucky Greece give you work for more 20,ooo Yugoslavi in Skopia. In Greece our Makedones living forever and have name not 1989 but 4000 years. In skopia you have yugoslavi name Makedonskis not same Greek Makedones. You become Yugoslavi from Tito and after 1991 you like our name but you speak Bulgarian. In Greece many Bulgarian speak same like you Tony in skopia but this people good people no like you only speaking bad for Makedones and other Greek people. You lucky Greece give you job in skopia. Like this news say skopia always unemployment before [...]

Read the full comment money problima 30% but in Greece we have problima but still no like skopia bad we still have more job. Ellas good country but like all Balkan country have also problimata.

Anonymous Tony Sat, Mar 06 2010 23:14 CET

The "Bully of the Balkans" is on their hands and knees. They more or less are self disintergrating. How can one country hold another to ransom? By calling itself the Republic of Macedonia, how can it lay claim to Northern Greece. One is a republic whilst in Greece's case, their "Macedonia" is a province. Which was renamed around 1989. Greece never complained about the Republic of Macedonia when it was part of the Yugoslavia but when it pulled away peacefully in 1991, Greece all of a sudden has a problem. Makes you wonder? What about the Macedonian minority in Greece? [...]

Read the full comment They claim it doesn't exist. And the other minorities living their too which are supressed and stripped of basic human rights. How can the Balkans be so mixed with all countries having minorities living within their borders but Greece on the other hand claim to have none! Makes you wonder? All the surrounding countries recognise the Republic of Macedonia except for Greece. Infact 126 countries around the world recognise the Republic of Macedonia and the list is growing. Greece should concentrare on stopping their internal dramas before their country is driven to the brink instead of stopping other countries such as Macedonia and Turkey for that matter intergrating into the EU and NATO. Politicians in Greece no doubt play the "Macedonia" time and time again in order to drum up support. Stop wasting money on anti-Macedonia propaganda, military arms, paying extravagant salaries and pay your taxes to name a few. This will go some way in helping Europe go forward and promote peace and stability instead of dragging it back and stopping it progressing.

Anonymous otan teliossi o polemos Sat, Mar 06 2010 12:59 CET

I am afraid Peter is right on this one : rather less resources (and bribes abroad) wasted by Greece on the Macedonia Name Issue, and rather more resources dedicated to getting the Greek economy right, might have been a Very Good Idea.

Katherimini is also right to point to Greece's diminished diplomatic "clout" in future, so Greece will probably lose the Macedonian Name Dispute anyway - it will almost certainly lose its much prized "veto" in both EU and NATO.

Conclusion : much money and resource wasted on the Name Issue, to [...]

Read the full comment no good long-term economic effect at all. Indeed, rather the reverse....

One can see why the Germans suggest (quite seriously) that Greece sell some of its assets and territory, such as the uninhabited Aegean islands...

Anonymous ? Sat, Mar 06 2010 08:20 CET

The bully of the balkans is getting what it deserves. The Greeks have have had too much of a good time. Nobody destroyed Greece except the Greeks themselves. I guess arrogance and ignorance is bliss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Anonymous Peter Fri, Mar 05 2010 22:54 CET

I agree with Kathimerini "A weaker, poorer Greece will mean a weaker, poorer Balkans".Had Greeces government put more emphasis on the economy rather than spending millions of dollars to the news media for propaganda againts the Republic of Macedonia and its Macedonian minority,they could have been in better position today. Now however, the German MPs are calling Greece to sell off some ilands including Corfu, the iland that Kolokotronis came from and started the 1825 revolution. This should and must hurt the Greek polititians if they are as patriotic as they claim. In my oppinion,Greeces polititians care more for their [...]

Read the full comment political life than countrys well being.The uforia about Macedonia is nothing,but their re-elections for their jobs.Greece spent more money on the political front than improving living standard of the Greek citizens. Macedonia is their best tool for every and each election they have had since 1982.


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