Greece is likely to be forced to undertake steeper spending cuts than the 8.7 per cent initially proposed. Jean-Claude Juncker, chairperson of the Eurogroup - the 16 nations using the bloc's common currency - said that Greece had agreed to consider further slashes in public spending in March 2010 if needed. This was revealed after a meeting of eurozone finance ministers on February 15 2010.
George Papandreou, prime minister of Greece, said that his government had pledged to slash public deficit from 12.7 per cent of GDP last year to 8.7 per cent in 2010, but the proposed 8.7 projection might prove far from sufficient.
Juncker, who is also Luxembourg's prime minister, said that if Greece's debt reduction plans fail to meet their target by March 16, the Greek government ought to consider tightening the belt further.
"It's up to Greece to consolidate its public finances, it's up to the euro area to stand determined [in case more is required of Athens]," he said, quoted by the BBC.
Meanwhile, Papandreou has attributed a significant chunk of the guilt and responsibility to the European Union, saying that the EU is as much responsible for the crisis as Greece is.
Pointing a finger at Brussels, Papandreou accused the EU of being "timid, lacking co-ordination and of using Greece as a scapegoat to hide the 27-nation bloc’s own failings," leading Greek daily Kathimerini reported on February 16 2010.
Moreover, Papandreou implied that Brussels was responsible and thus must burden itself with the responsibility to tow the country out of its financial mess.
"Greece is not a political or economic superpower to fight this battle alone," he said. "In the last few months of this crisis, the EU gave its political support but in the battle against the impressions and the psychology of the market, it was at the very least timid," he was quoted as saying.
His country was already offered a lifeline, following the decision on February 11 in which the Eurozone's powerhouse economies, Germany and France, pledged to stand "side by side" with Greece and help alleviate the Mediterranean country's mountain of debt. However, the bailout will come at a condition and there will be "strict rules that need to be adhered to", international media reported at the time.
Herman van Rompuy, the European Council's President, was quoted as saying that the 16 Eurozone member countries "will take determined and coordinated action if needed to safeguard stability in the Eurozone as a whole". He emphasised that Greece did not ask for financial aid and said that the EU was expecting "rigorous" action from the Greek government in return for the assistance.
But speaking in Athens, Papandreou did not limit himself to accusing the EU of being responsible for the crisis.
He set his sights on the former New Democracy government, saying that they were guilty of covering up the true brutal reality of the Greek economy. The former conservative government declared that Greece was to expect a budget deficit of 3.7 per cent for 2009, from from the reality of 12.7 per cent.
Papandreou accused Europe of failing to "double check" on the country's former government but said that instead it was content to put the full blame on Greece.
"There was quite a big effort in the European Union to hide their responsibilities behind Greece," he said. "The Union, the Commission, even Eurostat had the responsibility to be vigilant and to point out to the previous government the slippery slope it was on."
Greece has accumulated about 300 billion debt with public spending spiraling out of control while taxation revenue remained low. With the cost infrastructure construction surrounding the Olympics in 2004, amongst other factors, debts have accumulated to the point where now the country spends about 11.6 per cent of its GDP to pay interest alone.
Its public deficit has reached 12.7 per cent, more than four times the three per cent budget deficit mandated by the Eurozone's Maastricht criteria.
Cuban.
The case started years ago when
the rating agencies were completely caught off guard
by the credit crisis. It has again been the case during the last few months. The sovereign debt crisis started in Dubai. Only after Dubai postponed the repayment
of its bonds and we had all read about it in the Financial Times, did the rating agencies realise there was a crisis and downgrade Dubai’s bonds. Having failed so miserably in forecasting a sovereign debt crisis, they went on a frantic search for other possible sovereign debt crises. [...]
Read the full commentThey seized Greece,which of course was a natural target. But they did not limit their search to Greece. They ‘visited’ other countries,
mostly southern European countries and started the process of downgrading. This in turn led to a
significant increase in government bond rates in these countries.
Thus, it can be said that the rating agencies make systematic
‘type I’ errors during periods of euphoria.
i.e. they fail to cry wolf, when there are wolves in the
forest.
During periods of depression they make systematic ‘type II’ errors, i.e. they cry wolf all the
time, when most of the wolves have left the forest.
As a result, they amplify the destabilising movements in
the financial markets.
The reluctance of the ECB to do the credit analysis inhouse
is probably due to the fear that it may sometimes have to take difficult stances that do not please national governments. It is much more comfortable to
have this job done by outsiders
IMF for instance.
Why did'nt the EU audit in the first place? is it because the corrupt commitee was bought by the corrupt politicians.
The big Trichet has a pending trial with Societe Generale
why?
ElenaWed, Feb 17 2010 17:13 CET
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Please David, you're fooling yourself and only you would write something like this "this month's most useless comment"....have the decency to at least write in a different style that does not make "Elena" obviously sound like you
ElenaWed, Feb 17 2010 00:47 CET
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Greek Macedonia SupremacyWed, Feb 17 2010 00:20 CET
To Elena: if you were more honest and less hellenophobic, you should say that the huge mediatization around Greece actually hides the serious economic problems of Spain and Portugal. I even think this is part of a secret deal between Greece and the EU that Greece endorses the major responsability of the global malfunctions of the Euro...
But you are true at some point. Greece must have not entered the Eurozone by the past. It was too early for a fragile economy with hidden problems of corruption, ready to explose at any time.
[...]
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The problem is that Greece wants to be an occidental country, but is still oriental when it comes to speak about its mentality. The way a Greek handles the daily task in the matter of economy is far away from the strict, but serious methods of Germans or Britains.
Greeks lack of professional consciousness and that is why it is the chaos inside its administration.
So I hope this crisis will be positive after all, that means it will create a psychologic impact on the Greeks and with the help of the EU specialists to modernize and rethink in a better-occidental way their society. Time will say...
JuliusTue, Feb 16 2010 23:18 CET
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Greek Macedonia SupremacyTue, Feb 16 2010 23:00 CET
Greek Mac Sup - not sure you're right either, about the EU sending a massive input of euros into the Greek economy. This evening's BBC news (16 Feb) reports that Brussels is standing firm, and asking Greece to follow the Irish and Latvian model of firm cuts in public sector wages as a precondition for anything.
>>>I read it Elena and you are true at some level. Simply I think both EU and Greece use delayed tactic for now, temporize to see how the situation can evolve before to take the right decisions. But what I [...]
Read the full commentsee is :
_Papandreou saying "Greece does not need the money from the EU" while it is plain wrong...
_The EU saying instead "we are ready to help Greece to overcome the crisis, since EU means solidarity", but not all the members are willing to help Greece.
This is a tricky situation and there are some paradoxes, because this is the first major economic crisis inside the EU and the heads of the EU are unable to react effectively towards this unprecedented situation.
So both EU and Greece will have to find somekind of compromise, because Spain and Portugal are about to explode too...
ElenaTue, Feb 16 2010 22:58 CET
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Whats really funny is to she post from the Fyromians saying:Sent them out of EU or whatever comes in their idiotic heads!!Poor people when will you learn WHEN!!I guees after June and in the end of the year you will!!Until then be happy with all this situation,and remember.All this are happening for the good of Greece this is why we dont talk much.The point of all this is not to end up living like you people.And another thing.Fyromistant has tooken more than 1,5 billions from EU since 1992 which means also from Greece.Ofcourse i dont have to mention that we [...]
Read the full commentfeed more than 20000 famillys there,but who cares ha??Its ok freaks,afterall this year everything are ending you know it we know it and ofcourse Albanians know it!!Be pation and wait :-)!!!Cheers
Peter - sometimes you speak sense, and sometimes you don't. Your point about reopening the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest is one of the latter. There is no realistic prospect of this reopening in today's world, so I suggest you forget it. Aegean Macedonia and Salonika will stay with Greece.
Greek Mac Sup - not sure you're right either, about the EU sending a massive input of euros into the Greek economy. This evening's BBC news (16 Feb) reports that Brussels is standing firm, and asking Greece to follow the Irish and Latvian model of firm cuts [...]
What Greece is offering now is simply not enough for the rest of the EU to offer any help. And even when the EU finally does so, the "strings" and conditions will be very considerable. Certainly EU inspectors will insist on a physical presence in Athens to monitor the situation on a day-by-day basis, which some might see as an invasion of Greek sovereignty.
Not sure how well this will play in Athens - here I think Ex Pat has got it right for now.
If greece can rule effectively its lands than the Republic of Macedonia should be given back Aegean Macedonia and Solun. We told you the Treaty ends in 2013 and it looks like greece will lose its sovereignty now Macedonia can take better care of Solun than Athens and give equal rights to all minorities with the Macedonian language as the new official language
Just throw them out of the EU - they should never have been allowed to join anyway - and tell themn to get on with it by themselves, given that they can only pass the blame elsewhere.
In Greece it is always someone elses fault so its not surprising to read the PM's comments but at the same time disappointing to see their new, US educated, PM adopt this classic pose.
have you ever considered that this is a plan put togather by the rest of Europe for a reason thing about it and look at the big picture,who gains the most if greece goes under ?
Greek Macedonia Supremacy has a good point there. The European Union should have been more supportive and careful with Greece the past years. The previous governments did mistakes and corruption abuses, but the European Union knew it and prefered to close their eyes and did nothing to stop it.
It was kinda obvious with the international crisis a fragile country like Greece would fall immediately.
So blame on Greece, but blame on the European Union too!
This is outrageous to blame EU for own short comings.
Greece has reported wrong numbers to Brussels for years and did not succeed to implement corrective measurements.
Now, as they are on the edge of bankruptcy the Greek people still have not understood the seriousness of the problems. And they are pulling down the EUR !
Now all EUR Member states are willing to support and help and Papandreou is pointing fingers ?
This is not the collaborative EU way!
Greek Macedonia SupremacyTue, Feb 16 2010 12:28 CET
Papandreou's comments are fully right on the contrary. The EU has a huge part of responsability and must paid now to have let one of his members alone in the front of a worse financial crisis of the new century. Sad, but all the countries will give a huge compensation to repair this mistake.
It is time to send some Billions of Euros again to Greece I am afraid...
I'm sad to hear Mr. Papandreou trying to shift the blame for this crisis to the rest of the EU as I don't think that is a good way to persuade other states to provide more assistance for Greece.
While the problems are entirely of Greek origin it is the right approach that the costs for fixing them should be shared by all of the EU.
Within this context, Mr. Papandreou's comments are neither wise nor helpful.
While the Greek public sector rose to arms against the austerity measures of the Pasok-led government, the 27 members of the EU will have to figure out an escape plan for the country and its public debt, without destabilising the euro in the process.
Centre-right New Democracy is said by exit polls to have largest share of votes, but diminished even from its 2009 defeat, while socialists Pasok – the 2009 victors – gets somewhere around 14 to 17 per cent.
An agreement reached with the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) will allow voters with dual citizenship in Kosovo to vote in the upcoming parliamentary and presidential elections in Serbia.
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George, stop with the blame game, and get on with the job of straightening out those unruly Greeks.
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Cuban.
The case started years ago when
the rating agencies were completely caught off guard
by the credit crisis. It has again been the case during the last few months. The sovereign debt crisis started in Dubai. Only after Dubai postponed the repayment
of its bonds and we had all read about it in the Financial Times, did the rating agencies realise there was a crisis and downgrade Dubai’s bonds. Having failed so miserably in forecasting a sovereign debt crisis, they went on a frantic search for other possible sovereign debt crises. [...]
Read the full comment They seized Greece,which of course was a natural target. But they did not limit their search to Greece. They ‘visited’ other countries,
mostly southern European countries and started the process of downgrading. This in turn led to a
significant increase in government bond rates in these countries.
Thus, it can be said that the rating agencies make systematic
‘type I’ errors during periods of euphoria.
i.e. they fail to cry wolf, when there are wolves in the
forest.
During periods of depression they make systematic ‘type II’ errors, i.e. they cry wolf all the
time, when most of the wolves have left the forest.
As a result, they amplify the destabilising movements in
the financial markets.
The reluctance of the ECB to do the credit analysis inhouse
is probably due to the fear that it may sometimes have to take difficult stances that do not please national governments. It is much more comfortable to
have this job done by outsiders
IMF for instance.
Why did'nt the EU audit in the first place? is it because the corrupt commitee was bought by the corrupt politicians.
The big Trichet has a pending trial with Societe Generale
why?
This comment has been removed by the moderator because it contained off-topic content
This comment has been removed by the moderator because it contained off-topic content
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Please David, you're fooling yourself and only you would write something like this "this month's most useless comment"....have the decency to at least write in a different style that does not make "Elena" obviously sound like you
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To Elena: if you were more honest and less hellenophobic, you should say that the huge mediatization around Greece actually hides the serious economic problems of Spain and Portugal. I even think this is part of a secret deal between Greece and the EU that Greece endorses the major responsability of the global malfunctions of the Euro...
But you are true at some point. Greece must have not entered the Eurozone by the past. It was too early for a fragile economy with hidden problems of corruption, ready to explose at any time.
[...]
Read the full comment /> The problem is that Greece wants to be an occidental country, but is still oriental when it comes to speak about its mentality. The way a Greek handles the daily task in the matter of economy is far away from the strict, but serious methods of Germans or Britains.
Greeks lack of professional consciousness and that is why it is the chaos inside its administration.
So I hope this crisis will be positive after all, that means it will create a psychologic impact on the Greeks and with the help of the EU specialists to modernize and rethink in a better-occidental way their society. Time will say...
This comment has been removed by the moderator because it contained off-topic content
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Greek Mac Sup - not sure you're right either, about the EU sending a massive input of euros into the Greek economy. This evening's BBC news (16 Feb) reports that Brussels is standing firm, and asking Greece to follow the Irish and Latvian model of firm cuts in public sector wages as a precondition for anything.
>>>I read it Elena and you are true at some level. Simply I think both EU and Greece use delayed tactic for now, temporize to see how the situation can evolve before to take the right decisions. But what I [...]
Read the full comment see is :
_Papandreou saying "Greece does not need the money from the EU" while it is plain wrong...
_The EU saying instead "we are ready to help Greece to overcome the crisis, since EU means solidarity", but not all the members are willing to help Greece.
This is a tricky situation and there are some paradoxes, because this is the first major economic crisis inside the EU and the heads of the EU are unable to react effectively towards this unprecedented situation.
So both EU and Greece will have to find somekind of compromise, because Spain and Portugal are about to explode too...
This comment has been removed by the moderator because it contained off-topic content
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Whats really funny is to she post from the Fyromians saying:Sent them out of EU or whatever comes in their idiotic heads!!Poor people when will you learn WHEN!!I guees after June and in the end of the year you will!!Until then be happy with all this situation,and remember.All this are happening for the good of Greece this is why we dont talk much.The point of all this is not to end up living like you people.And another thing.Fyromistant has tooken more than 1,5 billions from EU since 1992 which means also from Greece.Ofcourse i dont have to mention that we [...]
Read the full comment feed more than 20000 famillys there,but who cares ha??Its ok freaks,afterall this year everything are ending you know it we know it and ofcourse Albanians know it!!Be pation and wait :-)!!!Cheers
Peter - sometimes you speak sense, and sometimes you don't. Your point about reopening the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest is one of the latter. There is no realistic prospect of this reopening in today's world, so I suggest you forget it. Aegean Macedonia and Salonika will stay with Greece.
Greek Mac Sup - not sure you're right either, about the EU sending a massive input of euros into the Greek economy. This evening's BBC news (16 Feb) reports that Brussels is standing firm, and asking Greece to follow the Irish and Latvian model of firm cuts [...]
Read the full comment in public sector wages as a precondition for anything.
What Greece is offering now is simply not enough for the rest of the EU to offer any help. And even when the EU finally does so, the "strings" and conditions will be very considerable. Certainly EU inspectors will insist on a physical presence in Athens to monitor the situation on a day-by-day basis, which some might see as an invasion of Greek sovereignty.
Not sure how well this will play in Athens - here I think Ex Pat has got it right for now.
Peter
Its time to take your pills!!
just stick your head
If greece can rule effectively its lands than the Republic of Macedonia should be given back Aegean Macedonia and Solun. We told you the Treaty ends in 2013 and it looks like greece will lose its sovereignty now Macedonia can take better care of Solun than Athens and give equal rights to all minorities with the Macedonian language as the new official language
Just throw them out of the EU - they should never have been allowed to join anyway - and tell themn to get on with it by themselves, given that they can only pass the blame elsewhere.
In Greece it is always someone elses fault so its not surprising to read the PM's comments but at the same time disappointing to see their new, US educated, PM adopt this classic pose.
have you ever considered that this is a plan put togather by the rest of Europe for a reason thing about it and look at the big picture,who gains the most if greece goes under ?
Greek Macedonia Supremacy has a good point there. The European Union should have been more supportive and careful with Greece the past years. The previous governments did mistakes and corruption abuses, but the European Union knew it and prefered to close their eyes and did nothing to stop it.
It was kinda obvious with the international crisis a fragile country like Greece would fall immediately.
So blame on Greece, but blame on the European Union too!
This is outrageous to blame EU for own short comings.
Greece has reported wrong numbers to Brussels for years and did not succeed to implement corrective measurements.
Now, as they are on the edge of bankruptcy the Greek people still have not understood the seriousness of the problems. And they are pulling down the EUR !
Now all EUR Member states are willing to support and help and Papandreou is pointing fingers ?
This is not the collaborative EU way!
Papandreou's comments are fully right on the contrary. The EU has a huge part of responsability and must paid now to have let one of his members alone in the front of a worse financial crisis of the new century. Sad, but all the countries will give a huge compensation to repair this mistake.
It is time to send some Billions of Euros again to Greece I am afraid...
I'm sad to hear Mr. Papandreou trying to shift the blame for this crisis to the rest of the EU as I don't think that is a good way to persuade other states to provide more assistance for Greece.
While the problems are entirely of Greek origin it is the right approach that the costs for fixing them should be shared by all of the EU.
Within this context, Mr. Papandreou's comments are neither wise nor helpful.
just stick your head in the sand and blame someone else.