@dennis

dont waste your breath, and dont feed the troll. peggy dear is a serb apologist and propagandist.

after all the wars, death and violence in the past couple of decades in wich serbs have been the only common denominator across all ethnic and religious lines... the number one imperative for these people is to demonize everyone else as much as, whenever, they can, to bring them down to their level, to downplay and belittle the victims...or use them as tools... to somehow "equalize" everyone, so that it boils down to "everyone [...]

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Peggy.
Why you get me tired with your naiv
question. Newspaper information nnowadays is not reliable; 5% of the news maybe true the rest is junk and all the world konws this fact. So do not get me tired with your silly questions

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Dennis, can you tell me about these Albanians which are becoming famous in the western world and what they are famous for.

As far as I know the only thing coming out of western media about Ablanians is their attempt to orcharstrate a terrorist attack on Fort Dix. Now that is fame you can do without.

I am not suspicious about anything. No need for suspicion when the news confirms what is going on.

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Peggy,

I see that you you are suspicious on everything that you hear. I just wanted to chat with you and tell you something that I have heard around. You do not have to take my word for it, you just try to understand the beautiful side of people. Forget history, what is done is done and you can change nothing about it.
People are different now and many of them, in this case albanians, have changed 100% are becoming famous in the western world and in USA for their beautiful spirit in the [...]

Read the full comment world of love and pleasure. Understand what is right and take some if you can, you understand what I'm saying. I'm sure you are a pretty woman and if you try you will be fine.
FORGET HISTORY and LIVE YOUR LIFE pleasantly

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history wrote:
"regarding kosovo .... when the local ethnic albanian population has one of the largest birth rates not just in europe, but the world ... makes you think why? why would you want to bring a child into an a life of hardship (one or two i can understand, but 9-10?!!!)... unless the motivation is to enthnically outnumber other races."


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regarding the claim that serbs have been in the region for centuries, it is a true statement. Evidence suggests that the serbs migrated to the region in the 6th century A.D. migrating from slavic areas in ukraine and germany. At the time historians believe that they intermingled with the Vlachs. the same goes for the albanians, greeks, bulgarians, etc ...

ppl tend to put forth thier own view point and as a result make ridiculous claims. trying using 'non-biased' sources for historical facts.

regarding kosovo .... when the local ethnic albanian population [...]

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either way, serbia should let them go ... in todays modern age, borders are not what they used to be. it will be a long time till kosovo will be able to establish what other nations have in terms of economy or political influence. some might say that kosovo's albanians have influenced world leaders to recognize their indepence. don't kid urself, that has more to do with political rangling between the big players such as russia, nato, and US. more than to be in the best wishes of the population. there will be another war in the region ... going by past history, it's a given ... might be in 100yrs, but probably will happen unfortunatly.

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Serbs "celebrate" that battle just like Australians "celebrate" the battle of Gallipoli which they lost against the Truks as well."
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How is this derogatory? Australia has a day to remember the battle of Gallipoli called Anzac day just like Serbia has Vidov dan. Now if you are going to laugh at one then you are going [...]

Read the full comment to laugh at both. It is you my ignorant Albanian (who pretends to be Australian) who is being derogatory here. I am not laughing at either. I respect both days pal.

Yes there is such a thing as an Aussie Serb, Aussie Croat etc. etc.
This is an Australian of Serbian background or an Australian of a Croatian background. If you live here pal you would know all this.

Stop being so outraged that Australia is under some sort of an attack. You know as well as I do that it is not and you are looking for anything you can twist in order to portray it that way.

Hey pal, my father marches in the Anzac day march every year. This is showing respect to the event. Does anyone from your family march. Oh I forgot, they are not allowed to I'm sure. So go and show your stupicity and ignorance somewhere else you Albo.

"I CHALLENGE you to find one word where I have written something negative about this beautiful country.
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Lies and fabrication. Australia was not annaxed by the Ottamans like Servia, or even aided them to atack other countrys.
But thanx for showing how stupid the education was in your own country, pathetic cowards pretendink to be real people lol.


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Read the full comment and the war was won. So stop fabricating crap, we were never on the side of losers like the genocidal Servs.

Lunatic Serbs like you even try to blow up our embassys and like dodic and molest their own children.
let alone the lies that you spew here.

Once more i ask you to never associate my country with your rediculous country of miscarige.

There is no such thing as an Aussie Serv. either you are here or you are another parasite on our system.

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Aussie, I totally agree with you friend. Serbs have always been trouble and allies with Ottoman Turks. They helped Sultan Mehmed the second in Fall of Contantinopole, they helped Turks to win the Battle of Nicopolis,it is a written history.

Hey "Aussie", stop pretending you are an Aussie.

It's so obvious you are either Croatian, Albanian or a Bosnian Muslim.
Hey be a man and admit who you really are. Don't hide behind "Aussie" name. It's pathetic.

Nobody is smearing Australia. I was just saying that this is why Anzac day is celebrated. But I suspect you know that and only want to spew your crap here.

The problem is that Serbia “wants to join the EU”, but it behaves like an old medieval kingdom that still does not distinguish religion from state.

"Do you wish to ask Aussis why they celebrate that battle as well or are you only interested in ridiculing the Serbs? "

Dont be rediculous,oh whait you are a Serb. lol
The Ottamans have never attacked Australia, we celebrate Galipoli becouse it was the melting pot of Australian identity, were Irishmen were fighting side by side with English and other Europeans. Germans and French ethnicity Australians were on the same side!

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Your people are real cowards, just like yourself, full of lies, and are ready to smear Australia, so your butchers can look better. pathetic. I hope Kevin 2010 will revoke your reffugee status!

I cant beleive your ignorance can jump so many levels. And please never associate our land with your butchered past.
We are not led by racists, we dont hourbour fascists and we do not tolerate scumy liers.

It is a fact that Serbia not only celebrates their loss of independence thanks to the Ottoman invasion, but also the aiding of the Ottomans up till Vienna.

G'day from Melbourne!

Hey 1389, I think you are totally wrong my friend. Australians have never waged any battle with Turks because Australia was not even discovered at that time (Battle of Gallipoli took place on year 1312) read more my friend.

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Hey, 1389
Isn't 1389 the year the Serbs were defeated and destroyed in Kosovo by turks?
The year 1389 marked the end of Serbia; how come you serbs celebrate and rejoice about this defeat?! Can you give me some explanations, for I know you are a serb.
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Do you wish to ask Aussis why they celebrate that battle as well or are you only interested in ridiculing the Serbs?

1389, don't warry about Albania and Albanians. Their economic progress have shocked the world. (WorldBank IMF, EU and USA) In a few years Albania will be one of the best countries to live in Europe. Open your eyes and see what is going on in Albania; read some more my friend you are falling behind or better take a trip in Albania and then tell me how their future looks like. Albanian are very smart people and I can say that none is like them in the balkans.

ha haaa hha, hi hiii

Hey, 1389
Isn't 1389 the year the Serbs were defeated and destroyed in Kosovo by turks?
The year 1389 marked the end of Serbia; how come you serbs celebrate and rejoice about this defeat?! Can you give me some explanations, for I know you are a serb.

Shows how much Albanians respect human rights bad move under the eyes of Europe. Keep it up! hahaha

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Hey 1974, please produce evidence of what you have stated.

I would love to see a copy of that constituion which says that provinces have right of seccession.

Hey ms Peggy do you have any clue what ex YUGOSLAVIAN Constitution Say's in 1974 with that peace of history in the mind even Vojvodina has the right to SECEDE if they WANT...but anyway Serbia is not only worry to much about Kosova anymore but any move recognizing or having any diplomatic relation with Kosova probably I'm thinking, what Hungarian's in Vojvodina will do and for the end Serbia really the biggest worries for Serbia it will be how much and for so long Serbian tax payers will pay for all destruction Serbia did to they neighbors...

Damn "Serb minister for Kosovo" why are you so stupid as to get cought?
Why cant you sneak in just like the other Serb refugees to Kosovo?

All you got to do Bogdi is write a formal request if you want to be a clown in front of the Serb minority of Kosovo. Just like Tadic did, sure he wrote 20 requests and got aprooved 2 time. Better be safe then a refugee aout it. ;)

alban.kcomment@gmail.com:

>>As authorities stated ...... If he insist to violate the country rules, other legal action may be applied including a legal process which may end to the deprivation of his freedom. This is valid for Kosova citizens and for foreign ones.<<

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did you have a chance to see those French, German, Italian Members of Gendarmerie, Carabinieri and Polizei in Kosovo? What are they for, what do you think? [...]

Read the full comment Are they a sort of Red Cross, Half Moon humanitarian, or NG organizations, or those are real lethal weapons that they carry? That makes them your ("kosova") AUTHORITY, no matter what you think, what anybody tells you. Try to kick one of them out, or to prosecute them, or just try to yell at them, complain about one of them - see what happens? TELL ME - TO WHAT OFFICE ARE YOU GOING TO GO TO, TO COMPLAIN IF THEY DO ANYTHING WRONG TO YOU? To Zmija-Thachi's office? Correct? Or his little judge is going to help you ahh? Kosova authorities!! That's a good one.

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Bogdanovic declared

"As far as my future visits to Kosovo and Metohija are concerned, there’s no doubt there, no one can stop me," he said, adding that he had been born in Kosovo.

As authorities stated he can come to Kosova and no one is going to stop him. The problem start when the purpose of his visit is to exercise the powers given by an foreign state without consensus of country authorities which compound a violation of sovereignty. In such case he will be barred from Kosova which is the minimum [...]

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Serbian minister for Kosovo expelled from Kosovo

good. the title Serbian minister for Kosovo is a farce, no kosovar... serb or albanian voted for this man.

@peggy who seems to be enraged at the thought of illyrian decent.

im afraid youve touched on a topic that illustrates your own apparent self loathing. If you go back far enough you will find NO serbs in the area. Yes you are immigrants to the balkans and no my dear, no matter how much you froth at the mouth... nothing will ever change that fact.

greece & serbia have to embrace science and stop glorifying Byzantium. (especially greece, a culture known around the world for all it produced intellectually during the pagan era, not after)

don't fool yourself. there are no tensions really, except in a few peasant villages in Kosova and Serbia.

the serbian people are lucky to finally have a real person as their leader. tadic is a practical man and understands reality. he just needs to throw out a few statements from time to time on kosova to keep a small percentage of the right wing fringe nationalists voting for him, but he obviously doesn't care about this issue.

as for albanians, they are just moving on... building schools, hospitals, and various infrastructure, while [...]

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everyone should just move on and try to embrace all cultural identities as being important to humanity. but we all definitely need the orthodox to cool off... they are the last fanatics of our region.

imagine that in 2010, both greece & serbia allow religious institutions to directly interfere in foreign policy, immigration issues, and even economic development plans. look at what a mess greece has become, even after all the help from europe for so many years.

you can't let religious clerics decide economic policy or guide foreign policy, that is very "middle ages" ;-) but still common practice in greece & serbia.

These actions only stimulate a clearly emotive topic.

If they had not done this then there would be no news story now all the tensions come to the surface.

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Peggy,
Please try and enlighten yourself; I really don’t need a history lesson from you telling me what was once a republic, verses what was/is not, a province, and/or autonomous area/region within the Balkans. Prior to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, and the void that was caused as a result; most of present day Balkans consisted of enclaves were principalities, provinces, and/or fiefdoms existed. One doesn’t need to go back thousand or hundreds years of history. Just go back less than 100 years. Perhaps, crack open a few books written by two extraordinary women (Edith Durham and [...]

Read the full comment Rebecca West) that describe the Balkans from a “non-biased” viewpoint.

These recently created so called six (6) republics, and two autonomous regions that you are referring, created and formed a fictitious country of Yugoslavia.

As for the Illyrian artifacts and where they may exists; why don’t you pay a visit to some of Western European museums and you may find them. Begin with the museum in Vienna, Austria.

The real questions you need to ask yourself is, “why would a small country like Montenegro which supposedly shares the same religion, language, etc., want to break lineage and secede from a big part of themselves?” Perhaps, the reason is that they may not be what they seem to be and understand this fact.

Logically, and from a sociology principles, whereby societies try to keep their unique culture and entity, etc; societies resist assimilation to other groups unless forcibly do so.

The latter is the main reason why most Kosovars actually adopted Islam. Albanian Kosovars are actually the first Europeans to adapt to Christianity.

Once the Ottomans capture the cradle of Orthodox Christianity; the ottomans pretty much understand that once this was done; societies can be controlled and influenced by the mere fact that their religious institutions were under their control. Where as with the Albanians; they didn’t not want to be grouped with the Greek/Slavic groups under the same umbrella (Orthodoxy) but rather remained Catholic for many years, until the Ottomans got tired and concerned with the fact the Albanian catholic allegiance still laid with the Vatican in Rome which the Ottomans didn’t control but always had a strong desire to do so. Ultimately, the Kosovars Albanians got tired of being much more harshly treated and in order to eliminate this concern and being taxed to death by the Ottomans; the Albanians converted to Islam. As opposed to giving up their ethnicity and being grouped with the Greek/Slavic orthodoxy.

Hopefully, this has shed some light into your narrow brain and has enlightened you a bit.

Cheers,
Illyrian Lover

"serbs have hundreds of centuries there" ;-) LOL

ha ha... wake up Peggy... Albanians represent the last remnants of the Native European which your people have attempted to destroy, to desecrate their graves, to rape their women to sow the seeds of division and fragmentation, over 13 centuries since you first began to trickle into an Illyrian dominated area.

there is NO EVIDENCE IN HISTORY WHATSOEVER of the destruction of the Illyrians or Thracians. so therefore, this tells us that slavs intermixed with the Thraco-Illyrians and obviously adopted their customs and traditions, [...]

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but i do agree with one point you make Peggy, about changing borders... there is a point of absurdity that we all must avoid when try to climb so far back in history that forget we are all connected anyway, as a single human family.

but you miss the point. because this is not a rational discussion between calm serbians and albanians. we, as Albanians, have been facing a massive wall of propaganda that seeks to deny any value whatsoever to the Albanian culture, its unique language and unique place in European history.

AND, your most recent dictator Milosevic and his henchmen attempted to squeeze Albanians to the point of total asphyxiation...

AND, your culture has even associated the very word we use for our own people "Shqiptar" (which means people of the eagle), as a derogatory word, very similar to the southern American racist use of the N word.

AND, even under Tito, Albanians were denied the right to higher education in their own tongue and were forced to assimilate and absorb the Serbian version of history, including the sick mythology of Lazarus that permeates your nationalist psyche and makes it utterly impossible for you develop any sense at all of flexibility and love for neighbor, unless they act exactly like you and embrace your very narrow and fanatical interpretation of the beautiful life of Jesus Christ.

so the answer is the same, to all of you: Albanians are back, the voice and spirit of the Native European (Thraco-Illyric-Dacian) is back and will never again allow your younger reckless cowardly cultures to bring us to our knees.

other than that, let's be friends :-)

Sami, do shut up. There is nothing yu can teach the Serbs but rewritten history.

What Illyrians? They no longer exist. At least the American Indian exists to this day and yet nobody is telling the white american to accept Indian rule or get out.

You are not descendents of Illyrians and even if you were how far back do we go and redraw bordes. Europe would be a reall mess if we all started redrawing borders because of some Illyrian myth.

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Ludvig Boltzmann

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@Sami Bushati, imagen for a moment you infiltrate Microsoft and then take over and change the name into Microsofti, Mikrosoftiqi and start spreding propaganda how Illyrians founded the company etc... I know it is not the same as "Kosova" story, but it is not to far fetched either.

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That's true. Kosova never existed before nor does it now. Even thier "PM" Thaci says Kosovo and yet these uneducated people insisit on [...]

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Why does it say Kosovo on their "Passports" then?

The example of names evolving does not apply here at all. Kosovo is used by all foreign media as well as their own thugs in government so it's just the uneducated fools who say "Kosova".

Ilyrian?, Let me explain how Serbia allowed such a small country like Montenegro to secede.

Montenegro was a republic in the former Yugoslavia and so they had the right to secede if they wanted to, while Kosovo NEVER had a status of a republic, only a province which does NOT give it the right to secede.

I think this is simple enough to understand. Why didn't you know it?

Benzo seems like you are very envious of my well informed and fellow brother Sami.

You only need to see (if you can open your eyes)the recent events in Montenegro to understand what Sami has described as being true and to the point.

For the life of my I can't and will never be able to understand the Serbian Hypocrispy. Whatever happened to keeping the territorial integrity of former Yugoslavian and later the Serbian-Montenegrain country. How does Serbain allow such a small country like Montenegro of only 600,000 to suceede. Their true [...]

Read the full comment brethren (Supposedly?...many of these Montengrians are truly Albanians that add ...vic to their last nams to avoid being descriminated. Trust me of this; I have very close relatives who have done so) AND deny the true inhabitans of Dardinia the albanians/Illyrians of their freedom. Talk about hyprocrisy. Finally, in Kosovo the Illyrians as we like to say in Albanian are finally Illri....

@bushati: u should change your name to "copy and paste" since thats what you're good at. what u think? if you copy and paste a few big words from some propaganda article that you googled will cause anyone to say "ah yes ..he's right yes" WONT happen ...for anyone with higher then a fourth grade level of political sophistication ANYWAY!!! the fantasies you speak of have been proven incorrect looong ago ..2010 its not 1910

let me give you a more accurate example Ludwig...

imagine your name is original name is mikro and over the years, after countless invasions by outsiders, it becomes mikros and then mikroso and then mikrosovic and then one bastardization later, miklosovic and then even milosovic.

in other words, the oldest names of europe are simpler and in albanian usually refer to forces or elements in nature, reflecting the polytheistic and pagan origin of european culture... with time, those names are then affixed with various suffixes that reflect the need of the newest [...]

Read the full comment invader to "tag" the inhabitants of the land with "appropriate" names. so many serbs, croats and bosniaks have these Thraco-Illyrian elements in the beginning of their names and the multiple tags of the subsequent "visitors" to the region.

then there are some who completely conformed to the new religions that were brought from the middle east (christianity and islam), so they gave up the ancient pagan names and now have clearly biblical names that have less meaning but simply "tag" them to a more recent historical period.

then there are hybrids, with monotheistic first names, but older pagan names, perhaps still with a more recent slavic suffix.

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that's how it works my friend. it is similar to, but less exact, than the genetic haplotype patterns.

let your Albanian Thraco-Illyrian brother educate you, and bring you back into the tribe where you belong anyway, if you are completely intellectually honest! ;-)

peace to all Balkan brothers, the oldest root of Europe.

@Sami Bushati, imagen for a moment you infiltrate Microsoft and then take over and change the name into Microsofti, Mikrosoftiqi and start spreding propaganda how Illyrians founded the company etc... I know it is not the same as "Kosova" story, but it is not to far fetched either.

oh yes, and for our greek visitors, Giasssooo Arvaniti ! (i hope you have not forgotten......... we certainly wont)

what silly people and some very ignorant Serbs among us in this forum.

for those who are confused as to the use of the term "Kosovo" for this region by Albanians, you can be assured that it was merely a political decision to show some flexibility from our side during careful negotiations with Western powers about avoiding unnecessary insult to injury for the Serbs by renaming the province "Dardania" the original name given by the Albanians long before the arrival of the bands of slavic tribes in the 7th century that had been expelled from Russia. [...]

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to my friends from Serbia, you are highly mixed with Illyrian & Thracian blood, yet your identity is tragically overwhelmed by the crusader period and a romanticized view of the Byzantine era. As a result, though many of you have Albanian names with slavic endings, and many of you share highly similar, if not outright identical phenotypes, you still fight your obsessive battles to resurrect the brief period of your "glory" when you were famous for being lackeys and henchman (brutal militiamen, like Arkan) during the middle ages.

so let's keep everything in perspective and stop constantly glorifying figures like Lazarus, Arkan, Milosevic, Mladic, Karadzic, etc. wake up and UPDATE your visions of yourselves in the modern context.

join europe with an open heart and open mind and stop thinking you can somehow turn the clock back and refight the battle of the blackbirds, as your "great leader" milosevic once seduced you into believing.

wake up serbs, learn Thraco-Illyrian (Albanian) again and realize who you are, a mostly Illyrian/Thracian people with some Slavic blood, but perhaps not much in the end, judging from the phenotypes and the latest findings on haplotype concentrations.

wake up... and enjoy the old Illyrian Gusle with pride and a real understanding of the deep and dense cultural history of our great region. we are all brothers in the end, that is increasingly provable scientifically.

I think, Ludwig, that is why "Camp Bondsteel" is named as it is....

Where is that Greek-Albanian when you need him?

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~ "Steel" is an alloy (mostly iron and carbon then manganesium, chromium, vanadium...), interestingly much stronger than the constituting elements.

~ "Stealing" on the other hand is when NATO pretending to be a "humanitarian bombers" (under the cover of protecting the local minority population) bomb a little country of 8 million people day and night from a safe distance, then sign a "peace agreement" indicating that UN is in control while the sovereignty of the little country was going to be [...]

Read the full comment respected and then comes STEALING (not STEELING), building enormous military base and all this crap of "constitutional order, mate" at stolen property surrounding the base....

Any time when you have an occupation, protectorate and alike you have this kind of comedy where the pawns are dispatched up front with their "rules".
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Hey "mate", I do not know if you noticed, this place does not even have its own (Albanian) name. How could it be Albanian? "Kosova" and "Kosovar" is the way how primitive Albanian IMMIGRANTS, that did not speak Serbian well called the secret Kosovo province... (Kosova... Tetoava... Peq... My Internet name would be Ludwiq, Ludwiqi..). When you steel with NATO force the land and claim "constitutional order", then sign a "peace agreement" and pass UNR, then you have pawns declare an "independent" Statelet with the area of 100 square miles surrounding your military base, my "mate", you look funny.

Play nice Serbian Authorities. If you want to visit Kosova privately then you can visit it any time you want. But if you want to visit Kosova officially then you have to ask for permission from Kosova’s authorities, respect visiting procedures and respect Kosova’s constitutional order. Otherwise you will be banned indefinitely from visiting Kosova.

As for you Bogdanovic you are Kosovar and if you act as a private person then you are most welcome and free to go anywhere you like. But as Serbian Minister you as well have to ask for permission from Kosova’s [...]

Read the full comment authorities, respect visiting procedures and respect Kosova’s constitutional order! Get used to it mate.