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Tension between Serbia, Montenegro over Podgorica’s planned diplomatic ties with Kosovo
Montenegro's prime minister Milo Djukanovic.
Montenegro's president Filip Vujanovic, left, and Serbian president Boris Tadic during a 2006 meeting in the Bulgarian capital, Sofia.
The possibility of Montenegro establishing diplomatic relations with Kosovo is causing tension between Podgorica and Belgrade – and within Montenegro itself, according to media reports in Kosovo and Serbia.
Montenegro recognised Kosovo as independent a few months after the February 2008 unilateral declaration of independence in Pristina from Serbia.
Serbian state secretary for Kosovo, Oliver Ivanovic, was quoted on January 5 2010 by media in Pristina and Belgrade as saying that Montenegro should "think carefully" about establishing diplomatic relations with Kosovo.
"At least 30 percent of Montenegro’s population declares itself Serb and is firmly against such a decision. It is not good to have so many disssatisfied people in your country," Ivanovic was quoted as saying.
"This must be a decisive element before making a decision," he said.
Montenegro, according to Ivanovic, would gain nothing by trying to ingratiate itself with the international community and "powerful countries" but instead would damage already fragile relations with Serbia.
Kosovo’s self-declared independence is recognised by the United States and 25 out of 27 European Union member states. Leading allies of Serbia in rejecting Kosovo’s independence include Russia and China, while the EU states that reject it are Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia and Spain.
According to a report on January 3 2010 by Serbian news agency Tanjug, the question of diplomatic relations with Pristina "could cause problems" among senior officials in Montenegro’s government.
On one side are prime minister Milo Đukanović, parliamentary speaker Ranko Krivokapić, and foreign minister Milan Roćen, while president Filip Vujanović and deputy prime minister Svetozar Marović are on the other.
Đukanović said that talking about reassessing relations with Kosovo was a "waste of time" and that diplomatic relations with Kosovo will be established "in the near future".
Vujanović said that he would sign the agreement on naming an ambassador to Priština once the Montenegrin minority in Kosovo is recognised and its authentic representation is secured.
He said that it was important for Kosovo to first create the necessary conditions for the return of refugees and displaced people.
Speaking in an interview with the New Year’s Eve issue of the Podgorica-based daily Pobjeda, as quoted by Bulgarian news agency Focus, Vujanović said that Montenegro and Kosovo should resolve the issue before exchanging ambassadors, "because this is the right way as far as our community in Kosovo is concerned, and this is the expected right attitude of Kosovo towards Montenegro".
Vujanović said that the Montenegrin community in Kosovo was in "an unenviable position," because only Montenegrins were not represented in the Kosovan parliament where all other communities have their own MPs.
Marović, in an interview with Serbian daily Blic published on December 28 2009, said that there was "no need to hurry" with the process of appointing a Montenegrin ambassador in Pristina pending the International Court of Justice issuing its opinion in the case of the question of the legality of Kosovo’s independence.
The Montenegrin government would "seriously and responsibly" view all aspects of the issue and hear all views before making its decision, Marović said.
"As far as I know at the moment there is no proposal by the foreign ministry to open diplomatic representation in Pristina. This confirms that Montenegro as an independent state is dealing with this question very seriously, paying attention in the first place to the interests and stability of the whole region," Marović said.
Montenegro recognised Kosovo as independent a few months after the February 2008 unilateral declaration of independence in Pristina from Serbia.
Serbian state secretary for Kosovo, Oliver Ivanovic, was quoted on January 5 2010 by media in Pristina and Belgrade as saying that Montenegro should "think carefully" about establishing diplomatic relations with Kosovo.
"At least 30 percent of Montenegro’s population declares itself Serb and is firmly against such a decision. It is not good to have so many disssatisfied people in your country," Ivanovic was quoted as saying.
"This must be a decisive element before making a decision," he said.
Montenegro, according to Ivanovic, would gain nothing by trying to ingratiate itself with the international community and "powerful countries" but instead would damage already fragile relations with Serbia.
Kosovo’s self-declared independence is recognised by the United States and 25 out of 27 European Union member states. Leading allies of Serbia in rejecting Kosovo’s independence include Russia and China, while the EU states that reject it are Cyprus, Greece, Romania, Slovakia and Spain.
According to a report on January 3 2010 by Serbian news agency Tanjug, the question of diplomatic relations with Pristina "could cause problems" among senior officials in Montenegro’s government.
On one side are prime minister Milo Đukanović, parliamentary speaker Ranko Krivokapić, and foreign minister Milan Roćen, while president Filip Vujanović and deputy prime minister Svetozar Marović are on the other.
Đukanović said that talking about reassessing relations with Kosovo was a "waste of time" and that diplomatic relations with Kosovo will be established "in the near future".
Vujanović said that he would sign the agreement on naming an ambassador to Priština once the Montenegrin minority in Kosovo is recognised and its authentic representation is secured.
He said that it was important for Kosovo to first create the necessary conditions for the return of refugees and displaced people.
Speaking in an interview with the New Year’s Eve issue of the Podgorica-based daily Pobjeda, as quoted by Bulgarian news agency Focus, Vujanović said that Montenegro and Kosovo should resolve the issue before exchanging ambassadors, "because this is the right way as far as our community in Kosovo is concerned, and this is the expected right attitude of Kosovo towards Montenegro".
Vujanović said that the Montenegrin community in Kosovo was in "an unenviable position," because only Montenegrins were not represented in the Kosovan parliament where all other communities have their own MPs.
Marović, in an interview with Serbian daily Blic published on December 28 2009, said that there was "no need to hurry" with the process of appointing a Montenegrin ambassador in Pristina pending the International Court of Justice issuing its opinion in the case of the question of the legality of Kosovo’s independence.
The Montenegrin government would "seriously and responsibly" view all aspects of the issue and hear all views before making its decision, Marović said.
"As far as I know at the moment there is no proposal by the foreign ministry to open diplomatic representation in Pristina. This confirms that Montenegro as an independent state is dealing with this question very seriously, paying attention in the first place to the interests and stability of the whole region," Marović said.
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To CET,
Hahaha you are funny guy and looks like very jealous and hateful against Serbs.Why?
You Albo or Croat?
Serbs no need to threaten Montenegro because Montenegro will always be Serbian,politics can say what they like but the people of Montenegro are Serbs.
And i like your comment about no guts to talk to Austria and Germany!
Hahaha Serbs already talk to them twice in WW1 & 2 and both times Serbs smash Austria and Germany.
Yes i know you think they are strong just as they [...]
Read the full comment thought they were strong in WW1 & 2 but they get punch in the nose very good by Serbs.
Hahaha
Why do you think this is?
Samson against Goliath?
Because God love Serbs he see all but you CET are blind!
The Republic of Macedonia shall be united and conquer all of you. Glory be to Alexander and Philip!
Thanks bro ALBAN
Now I have the same smile Peggy had before.
Your findings are definitively true... ;)
How many times you saw/heard a TV news - a man went crazy, all of a sudden and did a horrible thing. Then they interviewed the neighbor who said: "I cannot believe it, I've known him/her for 20 years, he sat in church every Sunday..."..
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As per Nietzsche, there are no (permanently) good/bad men/peoples... we are all a combination of those two antipodes... Depending on circumstances (upbringing, age, education, religion, financial and other situation....) one of them wins in given moment.../\.
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Read the full comment In other words, there are no bad/good people, there are only good and bad deeds.
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One of the problem is also, that the brain is the last frontier of science. We (collectively, all the Nobel prize winners of the World) know maybe 0.001% of what is actually going on in our brain.
Thank You Ludwig,
It's normal we can't agree for everything but at least seems there is a hope we can talk as normal people does.
Good luck
One more thing:
I swear by the Nietzsche's duality theory. We are all made out of two antipodes - plus and minus, that are in constant inter-conflict, where depending of circumstances one of them is winning.
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Hence, there are no Heroes, nor Cowards, no Prostitutes nor Madonnas; we are all a mixture of those two +/- antipodes, that are constantly fighting inside of us. Jung called it an inner dialog.
alban.kcomment@gmail.com,
You gave an honest answer. As you could see, it was not that difficult Q.
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You may find a lot of Serbs to defend Mladic making him a big war hero, who defended Serbs from Muslims in BH. Not I. Yes he was a skilled communist general. Remember (before the civil war and YU disintegration) YU army with its 300,000 solders was the third strongest in Europe. It was an impressive country, that West helped in selfdestuction. I totally disagree with partial [...]
Read the full comment ICTY, where the Serbs have been dragged in far the largest numbers, while for instance only Haraindai, Limay (?) and couple other Albanians were prosicuted and let go because Ramush, the notorious criminal (even the Albanian families tried to eliminate him) managed to wipe out his own Albanian witnesses. Thachi (war name: zmija-"snake") has been made by the West beyond the reach of this kangaroo court (the word comes from Australian emigrants in California, when they were dragged into makeshift courts of Wild West)
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As you all know, ICTY is a little bug, with no any kind of power when it comes to investigating NATO personal. I gave you a case of our (the US) soldier who raped and killed the little Merita, Albanian girl and no court outside the US military has even jurisdiction. The US Congress has passed a law, that if any UN court tries/arrest the US soldiers/personal, the US army is authorised to go into that country and rescue that person! But that fact is not the end of any criminal story. One way or the other we all pay for our sins, soon or later (Newton: Action is always = Reaction. Note: R most often comes in installments, which is bad news for the perps and good news for the victims)
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As for Ratko Mladic, in my opinion he is one of the worst war criminals on the Serbian side. I remember my time in Belgrade school. We had a few of Muslims in the class. We were best of friends. There was nothing that differentiated them from us in terms of appearance, behaviour, culture, family values on and on... When the civil war started in old YU (I wasn't there), the killing started and then normal people became animals... I could imagine if someone killed my kids, I probably from that point on, would not be any different.
Mladic had a daughter who was at the time a medical student in Belgrade. The news was that she jumped from a balcony and died. Obviously, she was murdered. In my personal estimate, that was the single fact behind Srebrenica. Mladic gathered a few thousands men - he selected the men of certain age (I think they all were between 17 and 60 or so) and LIQUIDATE THEM ALL in cold blood. The killing lasted for a couple of days and nights. The number is disputed, my Serb (RS investigation) side states it was 1,500, the NATO investigation number is about 7,000. In any case, you, yourself have to be a pig-dog-stunk to stard defending some slaughter like that. Was it a genocid? The ICJ (honest UN court) has rendered it a "mini genocide". That was about right.
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I am with Tadic on this one. (I should add that he was never my favorite Serbian politician, but as of late, he has become the best Serbian politician, replacing Kostunica in my book). The other day Tadic has brought up need that Serbian Parliament pass a Resolution condemning Srebrenica, as a shame on us Serbs with which we should not be identified ANY LONGER.
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The fact that other peoples do not condemn their war criminals, for me that means nothing. I live my life COMPETING ONLY WITH MYSELF. That is a personal philosophy, a formula for happiness. I recommend the same to any of you, as well as to Serbia. Put out your garbage. If the others wont do the same, let them live with their garbage. I do not think, one could prosper living surrounded by own garbage.
To Ludwig:
I'm replying for Forlani...
To your Q.
Why all of the Europe has opened the door for the (bad/black hat) Serbian people ... you are - BLOCKED! Why?
The answer is given by Europe...
Each country's application is valuated according to it's performance. Serbia did well and that's a good step toward EU integration, nothing to say except Bravo Serbia and good luck for the next step. Of course it misused the EU "Buonna fede" agreement to hand over Mladic, but maybe [...]
Read the full comment it's as you are pretending that it is too difficult to get him. Time will show if you where right or not.
Regarding Albania, this is an of topic question but I'm going to answer to this. Same as for Serbia it's application is been valuated according to it's country performance, which means that Albania didn't fulfill all requests of EU application. This means that it's application will be considered again in the near future. So, to be more precise the word BLOCKED should be replaced with DELAYED.
Let's get to the main topic.
Montenegro has already recognized earlier the Kosova independence. Being a independent country, Montenegro has the same rights as other countries to exercise the right it's got to be a free country. If Serbia thinks to be violated in it's own rights by this recognition, should apply the same policy as it applying to other countries like France, UK, Germany etc... .
This difference in attitudes lead to the idea that Serbia is violating Montenegro's independence by violating it's rights to make his own decisions.
Ludvig, when I read your last comment I cracked up. That put a smile on my face for the rest of the day.
I wonder what comeback he will have for you.
Agron Forlani, here is the answer to your Q. in the language (anyone could see) you speak well:
Av, av, av aooovvvv!
yous are dumb shutup
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Lludoviq you didnt answer my questions ....anyway stay in topic and dont jump like Serpska KURVA allover .For your info 20 years serbia was blockt from europe did you ask your self why????and for Kosovars we are newborn country what we will get for 5 years ...serbia will need 50 years ,...live with thatyou f. hipocrit.
Hey dirty mouth, this is our Bozic time, we are raising glasses over here on the West Side (NYC): "Next year in our Jerusalem!" You know whadda mean?
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As for your staying on topic, r u sure you no whadda topic notion means?
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But seriously bro, listen yo to this RL story, that I heard this evening at the party:
There are about 20,000 Albanians in the Bronx. They apparently have a local basketball [...]
Read the full comment and soccer league of their own, comprising mostly of pizza owners and various trade contractors. Anyway, the local paper picks up a story from there. It says that the two Albo teams played a BASKETBALL game and the result was 4:6 after the first half!!!! A small scandal took place. The participants were complaining to the referee that the rim was to narrow. They brought a step ladder and measured the rim. It was O.K.....
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Agron, a Q. for U:
Why all of the Europe has opened the door for the (bad/black hat) Serbian people on St. Nikola's day. Would you believe, if you were a Serb, you would be able to travel to any corner of Europe, but as an (good guy/white hat) Albanian you are - BLOCKED! Why? Give us some of your wisdom, guy; meaning cussing/cursing...
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Niko
Thu, Jan 07 2010 18:39 CET
"Serbia is a country that unfortunatly will never MOVE ON, their people their country everything is stuck in the past, it is very hard for them to just go with the flow into todays time. For this reason the country is always going to be in poverty and depression. Kosovo is gone but they still wont give up."
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If your devinition of "moving on" is allowing their territory to be stolen without being challenged then no, Serbia is [...]
Read the full comment not going to move on. Not from that issue.
On other issues, Serbia has moved on and is doing better than others.
Investment is coming to the country and people are looking forward to enjoying the same privileges and rights as the rest of Europe.
Perhaps you are upset that Serbia IS moving on.
Serbia is a country that unfortunatly will never MOVE ON, their people their country everything is stuck in the past, it is very hard for them to just go with the flow into todays time. For this reason the country is always going to be in poverty and depression. Kosovo is gone but they still wont give up.
ludovic, one more time: stay on topic please. it not obama or your mother, but the threat that serb fake ministrys try to convey on the region.
you can keep your opinions to yourself, the facts are that Serbia is trying to interfere in Montenegro by threats.
Why dosnt your fake minister make threats against Austria Usa Germany France UK ect for having diplomatic contacts with Kosovo?
But a tiny republic of Montenegro...
answer me that big shot.
And if you try to talk [...]
Read the full comment about minoritys, just know full well that there are more Serb refugees in Berlin than in all of Montenegro.
Serb ethnic nationalists would rather bring down the world, than lift themselfs from the dark past of their fellow genocidal "heros".
I like to se that A>K BITCH go to any other country if he have any balls.. ups..i forgot he is> PICKA<....
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>>Ludvig Boltzmann stay on topic, argue the facts and dont wory about me.
wonder about were your country is slowly sliding too<<
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You're right my only country has had a lot of problems lately. We still are fighting two wars and the new one is opening in Yemen. Obama is my guy, when it comes to foreign policy. In domestic policy we are on two completely opposite sides.
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As for Montenegro, yes that is my country of origin (My mother is Montenegrin), I love them dearly, but they need to get democratized like everybody else. Do you know that the same clique is in power in Montenegro for the last 20 years? President Djukanovic has an open case in Italian courts for being a part o cigarette smuggling ring in 1990s. In the case like that hanging like noose over his neck, it was not difficult to make him recognize "Kosovu" (Metropolitan Bondsteel, if you want). The problem with any scheming/manipulation is - they are all short lived. As we speak the trio on the top (Djukanovic, Vujanovic, Marovic) are being splitting, with Djukanovic, the top banana (prez) saying - we made a commitment we shouldn't wait, we should send an ambasador to Metropolitan Bondsteel ASP, while the other two (Vujanovic is PM) are saying the same what Dimitrov, Bulgarian ambassador in Belgrade just has stated - we should wait for ICJ to give a legal opinion.
Ludvig Boltzmann stay on topic, argue the facts and dont wory about me.
wonder about were your country is slowly sliding too
"Serbian state secretary for Kosovo, Oliver Ivanovic, was quoted ... as saying that Montenegro should "think carefully" about establishing diplomatic relations with Kosovo."
Or what? Will Serbia send in their Army, Paramilitaries, Rape & Murder squads like they did in Croatia, Bosnia and Kosova? Resulting in the deaths of 10's of thousands of innocent civilians?
Montenegro can do what it pleases.
Hey 1, you have my thumbs up!
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>> Once again the pathetic "ministry of Kosovo" run by paramilitary bloodsucking killers is threatning with instability and barbarian tactics.
Pathetic. If the Serbs in Montenegro or anywere else in the world dont like their host country, they should move back to the landlocked cave of where they came out from.
Dont give an inch to terrorist Serbs.<<
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You know what I was wondering? If you empty yourself like this [...]
Read the full comment today, all this mad dog stuff, what are you going to do tomorrow for an encore?
Look at the Serbs threatning little Montenegro,
As the genocide commiters the Serbs have no guts to talk like this to Austria, France and Germany were the serbian refuugees outnumber the Serbs in Montenegro by a 1000 to 1.
Once again the pathetic "ministry of Kosovo" run by paramilitary bloodsucking killers is threatning with instability and barbarian tactics.
Pathetic. If the Serbs in Montenegro or anywere else in the world dont like their host country, they should move back to the landlocked cave of where they came out [...]
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Dont give an inch to terrorist Serbs.