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Serbian president Tadic insists on Kosovo visit
Serbian president Boris Tadic.
The government in Pristina has not yet confirmed receipt of a request forwarded to them by international institutions from Serbian president Boris Tadic to visit Kosovo, media in Pristina said on January 4 2010.
Tadic said at the end of December 2009 that he intended to visit Kosovo, the independence of which Serbia does not recognise, early in 2010 as a sign that Belgrade will remain stalwart in its rejection of Kosovo independence and will not abandon the ethnic Serbs in what it continues to see as a renegade province.
Local media quoted Tadic as saying that he expected international institutions in Kosovo to respond positively to his request.
"We cannot have a stable region if we cannot move freely, therefore I believe that the international institutions will react positively to my request," Tadic said.
Pristina daily Express said on January 4 2010 that Tadic made his request using the same procedures as in April 2009, when he visited the Decani Monastery.
The request followed a route from Tadic’s office via the EU representative office in the Serbian capital, to the EU office in Pristina, which passed it on to the government in Pristina.
However, the Kosovo government has not confirmed receipt of Tadic’s request.
Kosovo government spokesperson Memli Krasniqi said that standard procedure would be followed in considering Tadic’s request, including assessing the reasons and the agenda for the visit.
"Based on that, we decide whether we can accept the request or refuse it," Krasniqi said.
Tadic said that UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and other agreements allowed the president of Serbia to visit Kosovo.
He said that the visit was intended to show that Belgrade would not abandon the ethnic Serbs of Kosovo for the sake of pursuing membership of the European Union. Serbia submitted a formal request on December 22 2009 to join the EU.
Tadic said that the EU had not set recognition of the independence of Kosovo as a precondition for Serbia being accepted into the EU.
Kosovo unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in February 2008. Serbia has waged a diplomatic campaign against the move, which it sees as illegal, and has won UN General Assembly backing for the legality of Kosovo’s UDI to be assessed by the International Court of Justice. The court is expected to issue its opinion later in 2010.
Kosovo has been recognised by all but five of the 27 EU states, part of a total of 64 states around the world that recognise it as independent, the most recent being Malawi on December 16 2009.
Speaking to Albanian media at the beginning of January 2010, Kosovo foreign minister Skender Hyseni said that Kosovo would get "numerous" recognitions this year and would gain membership of several international organisations. Kosovo was accepted into the World Bank and International Monetary Fund in June 2009.
There were "various modalities" for Kosovo to join the United Nations this year, Hyseni said.
Tadic said at the end of December 2009 that he intended to visit Kosovo, the independence of which Serbia does not recognise, early in 2010 as a sign that Belgrade will remain stalwart in its rejection of Kosovo independence and will not abandon the ethnic Serbs in what it continues to see as a renegade province.
Local media quoted Tadic as saying that he expected international institutions in Kosovo to respond positively to his request.
"We cannot have a stable region if we cannot move freely, therefore I believe that the international institutions will react positively to my request," Tadic said.
Pristina daily Express said on January 4 2010 that Tadic made his request using the same procedures as in April 2009, when he visited the Decani Monastery.
The request followed a route from Tadic’s office via the EU representative office in the Serbian capital, to the EU office in Pristina, which passed it on to the government in Pristina.
However, the Kosovo government has not confirmed receipt of Tadic’s request.
Kosovo government spokesperson Memli Krasniqi said that standard procedure would be followed in considering Tadic’s request, including assessing the reasons and the agenda for the visit.
"Based on that, we decide whether we can accept the request or refuse it," Krasniqi said.
Tadic said that UN Security Council Resolution 1244 and other agreements allowed the president of Serbia to visit Kosovo.
He said that the visit was intended to show that Belgrade would not abandon the ethnic Serbs of Kosovo for the sake of pursuing membership of the European Union. Serbia submitted a formal request on December 22 2009 to join the EU.
Tadic said that the EU had not set recognition of the independence of Kosovo as a precondition for Serbia being accepted into the EU.
Kosovo unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in February 2008. Serbia has waged a diplomatic campaign against the move, which it sees as illegal, and has won UN General Assembly backing for the legality of Kosovo’s UDI to be assessed by the International Court of Justice. The court is expected to issue its opinion later in 2010.
Kosovo has been recognised by all but five of the 27 EU states, part of a total of 64 states around the world that recognise it as independent, the most recent being Malawi on December 16 2009.
Speaking to Albanian media at the beginning of January 2010, Kosovo foreign minister Skender Hyseni said that Kosovo would get "numerous" recognitions this year and would gain membership of several international organisations. Kosovo was accepted into the World Bank and International Monetary Fund in June 2009.
There were "various modalities" for Kosovo to join the United Nations this year, Hyseni said.
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The category error was in the distinction between Macedonia and Hellas you and your sources were making.
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Peggy - you sound just like your Melbourne compatriot Tim Themi, except that you have just fallen into the "category error" that he was so fond of identifying wherever he looked.
Dear old Ludvig is beyond redemption in this respect, but of you we all had better hopes.
Did you ever go out for dinner in Melbourne with Tim Themi in the way some people on this site arranged for you ? I think We Should Be Told.
Ludvig Boltzmann
Sun, Jan 10 2010 15:10 CET
"Something strange about the guy.... He is chasing one syllable or a misspelled word, all day long.... I heard again that men w/ special inferiority complex - so called "small penis complex" exhibit such a behavior."
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You might have something there.
Koinos Nous
Sun, Jan 10 2010 17:06 CET
Inappropriate comment?
Peggy - what on earth do you mean by an "INTERIORITY COMPLEX" ? Could it be maybe an obsession with Serbia, or other internal matters in former Yugoslavia / Jugoslavija ?
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NO, that's not what I mean. What is evident is that you tend to divert a lot from any topic in order to show us how linguisting capabilities which had nothing to do with the topic.
This [...]
Read the full comment is obviously designed to impress us and make us think that you are a very clever man who cannot possibly be wrong.
Why do you feel the need to constantly throw in little phrases and words which have nothing to do with the topic? This is usually done by people who are not very confident of their capability to mach others. This is inferiority complex. Now this is something most people are aware of. It doesn't take a genious to spot it.
Diverting from the issue and trying to speak so many languages is not impressive. This is not a linguisting site. This is a news site. You don't see Noam Chomsky do it and he is a famous linguist.
"Servian president Tadic insists on Kosovo visit"
pegobic this is the ropic
your clan leader is begging to visit independent Kosovo.
why does he need to beg like a gypsy from seiberia, russias basterd brother?
Peggy - what on earth do you mean by an "INTERIORITY COMPLEX" ? Could it be maybe an obsession with Serbia, or other internal matters in former Yugoslavia / Jugoslavija ?
Valedictorianly yours to you and Ludvig with his strange US dialect-speak.
(This is after all meant to be an English-language website, using European English, and not some Strine or Yankee variant !)
Something strange about the guy.... He is chasing one syllable or a misspelled word, all day long.... I heard again that men w/ special inferiority complex - so called "small penis complex" exhibit such a behavior.
Ludivg, it's obvious that Konos suffers from interiority complex.
He tries to desperately to show off his "Cambridge education" but when things get rough he diverts all over the place.
Starts speaking in different languages (small phrases at a time) which he can easily use google trnaslate for and starts topic that have NO RESEMBLENCE to what the topic being disussed here is.
Doesn't take a great scholar to see right through him.
Has a passionate hatred for Serbs or anyone who supports Serbs.
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Read the full comment He is driven by emotion but pretends to debate rationally.
Now that Ludvig has finally told us what "valedictorian" actually means, it is quite clear that he is speaking a different language from everybody else !
So - "1" - don't worry. Ludvig exists on a different planet - Planet America - and They Do Things Differently There.
Yours valedictorianly (I must try to fit that word into local conversation in Europe and see what people make of it ! I'll probably get locked up in some prison or other !)
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Well, nobody in Europe would know it.
Once again, we are << divided by a common language >>, as Churchill put it.
(Actally, let's try the point on the Sofia Echo editorial staff. Dp any of you know what "valedictorian" means ?
Apart from somebody who leaves the bar without paying for his round of drinks, that is....
Every kid in America knows the term. It stands for: the top ranked graduate.
Ludvig - sorry, there was a typo in my dates. Instead of "1264" I should have written "1284". Blame it on a poor-quality UK education, in comparison to the inestimably higher standards in God's Own Country of the USA.
And by the way, what on earth is a << valedictorian >> ?? I am familiar with the word 'valedictory' ('valedictoire' in French) , but I don't know what a "valedictorian" is at all. If you are referring to those who fail to complete the university course, our (rather simpler) word is "drop-outs".
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>>"But, by God, in the case of occupied Kosovo (so called "independent Kosova"), the Serbs are 1000% right."
so your priests blessing serb thugs to kill rape loot and burn innocent people are right?
ethnic nationalist refugees are strugling still lol
"NATO had no right to carve out 15% of the Serbian territory"
stop acting retarded, its 12% but anyway the great powers gave yugo Vojvodina and Kosovo, they just undid their mistakes, keep waiting banana [...]
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"and give it to one ethnic group, while maintaining a cost free military base,"
Oh noooo, you are worried for Kosovo, how about bases all around the world from Australia to Zimbabwe that are there "cost free"?
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You are wrong. But the case is not that simple. The US has military bases in about 145 countries. Only a few of those are freebies, w/o land leases (Kuwait, Kosovo, Avghanistan, Iraq...). Of course there are trade offs... military aid and other kind of aid. Take for example Afghanistan. Each our soldier over there costs us about one million/year. We have about 100 000 troops over there, which translates into 100 billion dollars/ year. The Pentagon's budget for this year is over 600 billion dollars (which is more than the rest of the World spends on military). On the surface it looks ridiculous to throw away that kind of fortune. But, strictly economically speaking the war pays. Look at the Albanian KLA (what ever they call them now). They carry only guns, but even that little that they have, everything is from the US from those baseball caps to boots and incidentals. Better examples are Iraq, Avghanistan. They buy munition and other minutia from Serbia and alike, but 95% is made in America... vehicles, flash lights, guns, fire trucks, ambulances... everything. In S. Arabia each gas pump had to be adjusted to accommodate our vehicles.
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The only difference between American occupation and classical colonial occupation, the US does not build settlements (like Israel does for instance), does not settle the above mentioned modern colonies.
"with justification to babysit that "independent" ethnic group."
keep licking russian backside like your radical partys, you might have them babysit you :)
go educate yourself a bit before you blur out other fictions that are sold next to carlas book.
Koinos Nous:
>>Ludvig - I can't presume to an Ivy League education, being a mere Masters' graduate from that ancient backwoods university somewhere near Cambridge UK (though my college there was admittedly founded in 1264, very possibly before your forebears emigrated to the good ole' US of A).
Do you know we still shoot pheasants for food ? A primitive skill suited to a backwards people. Sometimes we shoot the odd American visitor by mistake, which makes the oversized US Embassy in London useful for once, as we have [...]
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In our school system in the US, there is a big difference from what school you come from, then also between the MS and PhD program. The ivy league schools have so much money that they do not need students' tuition. My school has its own nuclear reactor... you come to the library and you see one entire wall - only Polaris Missiles books... The difference also is, that you have say 12000 applicants and only 1200 get admitted in a freshmen class. Understandably, say 95% are valedictorians. The same goes for the Ph.D. program admission. After going through Ph.D. coursework, you have to maintain B+ average to be given a qualifying exam. You are constantly jumping through hoops. What sets you a part at the end of that long drill is a very narrow specialty and as a byproduct - a characteristic complicated mind to a fault.
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Of course, the US U. came much later than their cousin U. in GB. Harvard was founded in 1636, then came the rest of the I.L. schools.
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Magna Carta was 1215. So your U. came not that much later! Wow!
Ludvig - I can't presume to an Ivy League education, being a mere Masters' graduate from that ancient backwoods university somewhere near Cambridge UK (though my college there was admittedly founded in 1264, very possibly before your forebears emigrated to the good ole' US of A).
Do you know we still shoot pheasants for food ? A primitive skill suited to a backwards people. Sometimes we shoot the odd American visitor by mistake, which makes the oversized US Embassy in London useful for once, as we have to go there to report it !
Koinos Nous:
>>Firstly, Peggy, I am about as Albanian as the current Pope is.
Secondly, Ludvig/Ludwig, do try to sspell and to learn correct European English (this is after all an English-language site).
Happy Orthodox Christmas Day to you both - it's snowing quite heavily in England as I write.<<
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First, thank you for wishing us marry Christmas. I'll be going with my family to St. Sava on [...]
Read the full comment 26 th Street in Manhattan. It's nice to see Serbian faces, people who look like you, share the same roots, same culture. It is also nice to light up a candle once in a while and pray in silence. The only thing that I do not like in my religion is the fact that we have to stand during the entire leturgia. Whoever invented that, was not a practical guy. We left Belgrade long time ago, after my middle school (eight grade over there), but my Mom was the one who dragged us back to her Montenegro every second year (we ended up spending every other summer in Budva ). I got the best or the worst deal in the family, she would ship me to the village up in the mountain for the rest of the summmer). My father's side is from Krajina, but we spent very little time over there (strong mother case). It was exactly my big uncle and my mother, who kind of printed in my brain the following: Where ever you go, what ever you become, never forget the three things:
*SHTA SI, KO SI I ODAKLE SI* ... who are you, what are you about, and where you come from. That is how I became allergic to any occupation, even if my mother was spearheading it.
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As for that spelling garbage, do not be silly. In my case that stupid Internet tangling (who is smart and who is not) does not work, since I am a part time college professor, i.e the highest ivy league education... ponder that.
peggy boy please stick to the message and not the messanger.
i know that as a serb ethnic nationalists you dont like the facts and the side of the genocidal table that you are presenting, but you would do all the other serb ethnic nationalists a favour by not being so weak when it comes to debate the topic.
WHy does tadic need to "apply" togo to somewere he claim is "his"?
lol
Well, Ludwig and Peggy alike, your blogging guesswork ain't too good.
Firstly, Peggy, I am about as Albanian as the current Pope is.
Secondly, Ludvig/Ludwig, do try to sspell and to learn correct European English (this is after all an English-language site).
Thirdly, Peggy, as regards "1", this is unfortunately what this site defaults to if somebody posts a hyperlink. Sad, but true. I agree with you that it is annoying.
Happy Orthodox Christmas Day to you both - it's snowing quite heavily in [...]
Read the full comment England as I write.
Wouldn't it be nice if this Mr or Ms 1 would actually put their name down. I don't care if it is their real name or a name of a cartoon character. Any name and stick to it.
Too many people are using 1 which is really confusing.
Maybe they are ashamed of who they are to do that.
"But, by God, in the case of occupied Kosovo (so called "independent Kosova"), the Serbs are 1000% right."
so your priests blessing serb thugs to kill rape loot and burn innocent people are right?
ethnic nationalist refugees are strugling still lol
"NATO had no right to carve out 15% of the Serbian territory"
stop acting retarded, its 12% but anyway the great powers gave yugo Vojvodina and Kosovo, they just undid their mistakes, keep waiting banana republic
"and give it [...]
Read the full comment to one ethnic group, while maintaining a cost free military base,"
Oh noooo, you are worried for Kosovo, how about bases all around the world from Australia to Zimbabwe that are there "cost free"?
"with justification to babysit that "independent" ethnic group."
keep licking russian backside like your radical partys, you might have them babysit you :)
go educate yourself a bit before you blur out other fictions that are sold next to carlas book.
koinos nous:
>>What, Ludvig, do you mean by "holly land" (you use this spelling much more than once, so it isn't a typo !) ??
Is it Santa with Reindeer at Xmas ? I think we should be told, especially as the Orthodox Xmas is still a few days away....<<
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That is all you could come up with? Unlike moderators, I do not see anything wrong with what you are doing (wasting [...]
Read the full comment own free time). It also jazzes up these dull discussions, you cannot be a stiff all the time. I spanked you last time for it, as a part of this show, but this time I let you be the board clown.
Koinos Nous
Tue, Jan 05 2010 19:05 CET
Inappropriate comment?
The visit doesn't look like a good idea to me. Unless he literally steps on a Serbian minefield, that is.....(there are plenty of them.)
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Spoken like a true Albanian. Why then do you insist that you are British. You portray yourself as one when you write under the name of Epaminondas.
Which nationality are you when you are George II or Koinos Nous?
You have shown so [...]
Read the full comment much hatred for Serbs and Greeks and yet claim you are not Albanian while trying to come out looking smart by speaking in different languages.
A few phrases which have nothing to do with a topic do no make you smart but writing such rubbish will expose you for a Serb and Greek hating Alabanian.
What, Ludvig, do you mean by "holly land" (you use this spelling much more than once, so it isn't a typo !) ??
Is it Santa with Reindeer at Xmas ? I think we should be told, especially as the Orthodox Xmas is still a few days away....
Koinos Nous:
>>The visit doesn't look like a good idea to me. Unless he literally steps on a Serbian minefield, that is.....(there are plenty of them.)<<
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I think you are right. You as a Greek Albanian (guessing), you do not like that the Serbian President is going on the most holly day of the year to pray for one night in the Serbian Holly Land. The fact that he has to beg NATO to let him enter [...]
Read the full comment own sacred land, that they with military might took and still control, that is not a shame on him; the shame is on the military occupiers and their Albanian proxies.
great buzzer:
>>HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
there you have it fellow serb ethnic nationalists... the game has been over for a long time but you delusional dreams still continue. your president is on his knees trying to get to a foreing country.
what a looser<<
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What happened, is someone tickling you? The game is over! hahah.. A day does not go by without an end to a game or battle. The [...]
Read the full comment wars take a little longer. Like games and battles, they too end soon or later. Nevertheless life is long, my friend. That is a different story altogether. If you do not believe me, take a look at the history. That is how you get educated.
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You must have heard of Pax Romana. The Romans were an undisputed superpower. No other army came close. They launched a propaganda at time - where the Roman troops come - peace flourishes. At that time there was no freedom of speech. But even at that time almost 2000 years ago, the same Natural Laws held, which are actually God's laws. Or for those of you, who do not believe in God, that would be the Third Universal Newton's Law of Motion. That Law was a problem then and it is just as much a problem today. Hence, you all know what finally happened to the Rome.
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I am a Serbian American, proud of both backgrounds. I do not think for a minute that everything that the Serbs did before, or in recent history was right. But, by God, in the case of occupied Kosovo (so called "independent Kosova"), the Serbs are 1000% right. NATO had no right to carve out 15% of the Serbian territory and give it to one ethnic group, while maintaining a cost free military base, with justification to babysit that "independent" ethnic group. And - with occupation or without it, FOR ONE TO WIN (talking about life, the long run, not "the games, that are over or going into OT") ONE MUST BE RIGHT - FIRST.
The visit doesn't look like a good idea to me. Unless he literally steps on a Serbian minefield, that is.....(there are plenty of them.)
>>Tadiq sam prizna derzavu Kosove. Nema veze od koga on trazi dozvolu(vlade kosove, Eulex ili Evropske zajednice) da udje u Kosovu, on trazi dozvolu da udje u jednoj nezavisnoj derzavu kao sto je Republika Kosove.<<
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You said - it makes no difference who is controlling the territory and giving orders to let him in, whether it is EULEX, KFOR, EU, the most important thing is the phrase/slogan "independent Kosova"!?
habib:
>>i never see that one president
ask permittion to enter on own country...........thats why
KOSOVO IS NOT SERBIA<<
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Nothing unusual there. The entire Serbia (not just Kosovo) was occupied by the Turks after the batle of Kosovo (1389) for 500 years. The liberation came after Balkan War, 1912, when the Albanian state (Albania) was conceived. Macao was Portuguese colony until 10 years ago, when China got it back. The same goes for British occupation [...]
Read the full comment of Hong Kong. Not that long ago, if the Chinese President wanted to visit Hong Kong, what do you thing he had to do?
Simple Mind:
>>Tadic is most welcome to Kosova as a private citizen. If he still intends to visit Kosova as a president of Serbia then he will have follow the protocoll rules of visiting another country. He will be welcomed by the authorities of the state of Kosova and will receive the highest honours as every president of another state.<<
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"authorities of the state of Kosova"! That is a Simple Mind. Do you mean Bondsteel, EULEX/KFOR?
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Read the full comment /> Let me ask you something. Say an Italian general gets an idea to fly tonight to Bondsteel for a game of poker or wants to sleep with his Albanian mistress or something...What do you think, does he needs to contact your so called "authorities of the state of Kosova" for permition? They come and go as they please, just like in Afghanistan or Iraq, where there is also so called "authorities of the state of Iraq/Afghanistan"
i never see that one president
ask permittion to enter on own country...........thats why
KOSOVO IS NOT SERBIA
Tadiq sam prizna derzavu Kosove. Nema veze od koga on trazi dozvolu(vlade kosove, Eulex ili Evropske zajednice) da udje u Kosovu, on trazi dozvolu da udje u jednoj nezavisnoj derzavu kao sto je Republika Kosove.
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vergisses tadic es ist vorbei
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There's no reason for Belgrade to ask Pristina for entering Kosovo, its sovereign part. Kosovo is ruled by the West and for now, protected by NATO. If international powers in Kosovo don't allow this visit it will have very negative implications on Pristina. Playing "hard" with Belgrade is not recommended for Kosovo Albanians.
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Tadic is most welcome to Kosova as a private citizen. If he still intends to visit Kosova as a president of Serbia then he will have follow the protocoll rules of visiting another country. He will be welcomed by the authorities of the state of Kosova and will receive the highest honours as every president of another state.
Serbia, and your people, I apologise from the bottom of my heart as an Englishman who is so sorry my Government not only bombed you and your people, but has not supported this illegal breakaway. I hope you will one day have your Country back as one.
Tadic made a huge mistake in trying to enter Kosovo. Why? Because he is going to be DENIED! And that will be a sign to the world that Belgrade does not run Kosovo. Rather, Prishtina runs Kosovo independently.
even the guy on the albanian side has a serb name: Krasniqi = Krajsnici , comes from Krajsnik, one of the most serb names, and of course Krajna has NO meaning in Siptar language... think of it "Siptar" Mr. Krasniqi ...
""We cannot have a stable region if we cannot move freely, therefore I believe that the international institutions will react positively to my request," Tadic said."
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
there you have it fellow serb ethnic nationalists... the game has been over for a long time but you delusional dreams still continue. your president is on his knees trying to get to a foreing country.
what a looser