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EU Schengen visa decision on Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro welcomed
The ceremony in Brussels on November 30 2009 celebrating the decision to allow citizens of Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro to enter the Schengen zone visa-free from December 19.
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European Union justice and home affairs ministers have given the go-ahead for citizens of Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia to be allowed to travel to the Schengen zone without visas from December 19 2009, a move that Bulgaria was among the first to welcome.
The decision, which applies to citizens of the three Western Balkans countries who have biometric passports, is widely seen as a step towards the countries’ European integration.
When the change takes effect, visitors to EU Schengen area member states from Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro will be allowed to stay for up to 90 days within a six-month period.
Bulgaria welcomed the decision, Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Tsvetan Tsvetanov said in Brussels, where he was attending the ministers’ meeting.
Bulgarians were exempted from Schengen visa requirements in 2001, and the country joined the EU in January 2007.
Serbian president Boris Tadic described his country’s entry to what is called the "Schengen white list" as a first step towards Serbia’s EU integration. He said that Serbia would begin its EU membership negotiations as soon as possible.
The visa liberalisation decision does not apply to Kosovo, which in February 2008 unilaterally declared independence from Serbia, a move that is being scrutinised in international court.
It also does not apply to Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania, which failed to meet Schengen visa liberalisation criteria. These requirements include benchmarks for passport security, border controls and fighting corruption and organised crime.
EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said that the abolition of visa requirements for Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia was a big step toward the EU integration of the three countries.
"The Council decision is historic and strengthens the links between the three countries and the EU. Citizens from these three countries wishing to celebrate Christmas with their friends and relations in the Schengen area can now do so without needing visas," Tobias Billström, minister for migration and asylum policy of Sweden, holder of the EU presidency, said.
The decision was marked at a ceremony in Brussels on November 30 2009 with the countries’ ministers for the interior and Sweden’s Billström. Ministers from Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania also attended.
In Skopje, Macedonia’s foreign ministry welcomed the decision, Macedonian daily Utrinski vesnik said, according to a report by Bulgarian news agency Focus on December 1.
"The liberalisation of the visa regime is a big and practical acquisition, which will give the opportunity for higher mobility, exchange of ideas, development of co-operation in all fields of public life and as a catalyst for the process of Europeanisation of Macedonian society.
The development is very important for the young generations because they are carrying the development of Macedonia into a future EU member state," the foreign ministry was quoted as saying
Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski described the decision as historic and as confirmation of the country’s reform process.
"We have reason to celebrate and this day will be written in Macedonian history for sure," Gruevski said.
The decision, which applies to citizens of the three Western Balkans countries who have biometric passports, is widely seen as a step towards the countries’ European integration.
When the change takes effect, visitors to EU Schengen area member states from Serbia, Macedonia and Montenegro will be allowed to stay for up to 90 days within a six-month period.
Bulgaria welcomed the decision, Deputy Prime Minister and Interior Minister Tsvetan Tsvetanov said in Brussels, where he was attending the ministers’ meeting.
Bulgarians were exempted from Schengen visa requirements in 2001, and the country joined the EU in January 2007.
Serbian president Boris Tadic described his country’s entry to what is called the "Schengen white list" as a first step towards Serbia’s EU integration. He said that Serbia would begin its EU membership negotiations as soon as possible.
The visa liberalisation decision does not apply to Kosovo, which in February 2008 unilaterally declared independence from Serbia, a move that is being scrutinised in international court.
It also does not apply to Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania, which failed to meet Schengen visa liberalisation criteria. These requirements include benchmarks for passport security, border controls and fighting corruption and organised crime.
EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn said that the abolition of visa requirements for Serbia, Montenegro and Macedonia was a big step toward the EU integration of the three countries.
"The Council decision is historic and strengthens the links between the three countries and the EU. Citizens from these three countries wishing to celebrate Christmas with their friends and relations in the Schengen area can now do so without needing visas," Tobias Billström, minister for migration and asylum policy of Sweden, holder of the EU presidency, said.
The decision was marked at a ceremony in Brussels on November 30 2009 with the countries’ ministers for the interior and Sweden’s Billström. Ministers from Bosnia and Herzegovina and Albania also attended.
In Skopje, Macedonia’s foreign ministry welcomed the decision, Macedonian daily Utrinski vesnik said, according to a report by Bulgarian news agency Focus on December 1.
"The liberalisation of the visa regime is a big and practical acquisition, which will give the opportunity for higher mobility, exchange of ideas, development of co-operation in all fields of public life and as a catalyst for the process of Europeanisation of Macedonian society.
The development is very important for the young generations because they are carrying the development of Macedonia into a future EU member state," the foreign ministry was quoted as saying
Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski described the decision as historic and as confirmation of the country’s reform process.
"We have reason to celebrate and this day will be written in Macedonian history for sure," Gruevski said.
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Thats where you are quite wrong Peter. Our Macedonian language is a part of western Bulgarian and despite your rejections has always been integral in the grammatic make up of our languege. Linguists, and politicians have known for a long time and all can express their arguments but what has remained concrete is that those who hold themselves to be Bulgarian speaking Macedonians in Greece have been the key for many anthropologists to reveal the local syntax of its speakers. The more north you go in Macedonia the more serbian you find in the dialects while retaining their central Bulgarian [...]
Read the full comment gramma. It was not an accident when our president Gligorov in the early 90s said to his Bulgarian counterpart after much disagreement that yes it is true that our languages are mutually intelligable. When our former PM Georgievski visited Bulgaria he always stressed the Bulgarian mother tongue in our Macedonian. Even then Peter Georgievski was openly (to dismay of the right wing) teaching us when I was a kid at school that our language stemmed from Bulgarian. So as you see Peter our ethnicity for us Macedonians is Bulgarian while our nationality is Macedonians. While there are Macedonians of many ethnicities e.g. Bulgarian, Greek, Vlach, Turkish, Albanian, Roma, Pomak there is only one nationality in the Balkans which is Macedonian and that is us.
Thankyou, I also wish you a happy festive season.
Long Live the Macedonian Youth & SDSM.
Sasha,the Ethnicity and language is purely Macedonian,has nothing to do with the Bulgarian language.Do you know what the high ranking Greek representative said in 1925 at the League of Nations? "The Macedonian language is neither Serbian nor Bulgarian,but a distinct Macedonian language and ethnicity". You see,your propaganda holds no water.Once more,I wish you happy holidays!
Correction Peter your nationality is Macedonian and your language is a Bulgarian dialect like many of us which speak it throughout Macedonia today. You are about as ethnically Macedonian as an American is ethnically American which means you just as the Americans only citizens of a nation. We are all Macedonians of a Slavic ethnicity which belong to Bulgarian. Now whether being a Slav bothers you is a mute point because by virtue of customs, language, and traditions you have been so created. You should be proud of your Slavic background and stop this foolish, idiotic separation of Slavic from [...]
Read the full comment your identity. The Slavs have always been a proud people and we will always remain proud regardless whether you like it or not Peter so grow up or does it take my teenage youth to instill some common sense into you and your diaspora antiquisationists. Leave the Greek tribes to their vices and look towards our proud Bulgarian heritage of Delchev and co.
Long Live the Macedonian Youth & SDSM.
To all of you Greeks who dont understand the differance between ethnicity and language.My ethnicity is Macedonian,my language is Slavic,same as all other Slavic speaking people in Europe.Are you capable to read the differance?.On the words of dulos and sklavos,I understand it this way;Doulos would be when one person is working for someone with or without being paid,Sklavos means, you are imprisoned.When a person is sent to preason,he is sklavomenos.I am not Greek,I am Macedonian but,I do know a bit of the language.
Congratulations !!!
congratulations on visa lifting!
after many years of 'darkness'things are turning around in the balkans
So sad, you modern Greeks wanting to be Macedonian so bad.
Re Aleko Zhivko speak me if you Yugoslavi not make more baby then in little year most people in Yugoslavia no makedonski but Alvani. This no good for Yugoslavi. You must make many baby re Aleko so you know have after all Yugoslavi only Alvani. Here we many Alvani in Makedonia but we Makedones make many baby but Zhivko speak you Yugoslavi not like many Baby making. No worry from this people maybe you marry Yugoslavi sestra and baby do no.
Ok RE Aleko yia soo. speak after more.
Yes re Aleko Olympus is part of our Makedonia in Greek. It no problem to understand istoria from all people. When you know your istoria it good for all people. My friend in Prilep Yugoslavia say me that many Yugoslav people like our Makedonia istoria but he speak bad for some Yugoslavos who think bad for all people. Here to some people bad peoples not like Yugoslavi think they steal our istoria but I think they wrong. Many people Yugoslavi also Makedonski and is good for this because they also like friend with my friend this good no. You know [...]
Read the full comment re Aleko if you think good of people it always found good people. My bulgarian friend in Kastoria name Zhivko and he go many time to Prilep to holiday and say many Yugoslavi same speak Bulgarian and he happy bring many good picture and turkis loukoumi.
Ok Aleko me go to now. You have good Yugoslavi people and this good for all people.
Yia soo from Kastoria where Makedones of Greek and Bulgarian people.
Thank you for detailed explanation about my roots. I can see you are a doctor of history and science. Now for sure I know my nationality..whatever that is..
Its nice when someone can explane you what really you are..even if that is writen in sooo bad English that I bearly understood one sentence. But I gues that is because you are not more than 13 years...You must be very smart for your age. Keep studying and one day you might end up on Olimp, whre all your gods live. ohhhh sorry, is not that place too far from [...]
Read the full comment the ancient border of Macedonia?
OHHH! sorry re Aleko, we not want you country to die this no good. We stay freinds Makedonski of Yugslavia who speak Bulgarian and Makedones of Greek. Stay with all people good Aleko is no good to upset people. You see one day you can live in free from stupid problem with name. I think all Makedonskis in Yugoslavia good people like my Makedones people in Greek. You see one day we all be good people and good friends.
Yia soo again.
No Alek. Makedonski is really same Bulgarian like dialecto because my Makedonski friend from Prilep Yugoslvia speak same with my Bulgarian friend in Kastoria. Also your Greek name come from before Slav people come to Greece. If you think not Greek why your president Kiro Gligorov speak His People not Makedones of Greek like Mega Alexandros, Phillip, Aristotle he speak you people come later like Bulgarian people and after you take Makedonski name. Makedonski is funny nearly like Greek Makedones but funny. My name Greek from old time and Dimitri make you Bulgarian people friends. So don't worry re Aleko [...]
Read the full comment we same you Makedonski of Bulgarian people me Makedonas of Greek people is good no.
Yia Soo from Kastoria where many Makedones of Bulgarian and Greek people live.
I cant argue any more.
I will coment only on one thing.
How stupid are you to think that similarity in surenames and language is making Macedonians and Bulagrians one nation?
We have similarities with all slavic languages and surenames..are we one nation?
AND more over, Serbians nad Croatians have ONE LANGUAGE, and SAME SURENAMES? Are they one nation?
I am getting more and more surprised by foulishness of you people who blindly follow some antionalisym ideologies!
Aleksandar is a Macedonian name, and always will be. I am [...]
Read the full comment proud to be Macedonian, proud of my "roots".
After all who the hell are you to tell me how can I call my nation and my country. It is the right of every nation to claim their name and nationality how they feel. Refering to UNITED NATIONS law!
So please get your dumm ass educated, open your narrow brainles head and know once and for all that Macedonia will never die not matter how many pockets Greece will fill with money to distorse the history!
OHHHHH Aleksander, I forgot your name is Greek so maybe you are one of us. Alexander of Macedonia was famous Greek leader you maybe like our history no. Anyway is good see you like our Greek names.
OHHH Alek. you are slav my yugoslav friend just like Peter and many other Slavic speaking Makedonskis. But the Bulgarians in Kastoria are also Macedonian who refuse to accept the Yugoslav ideology. They speak identical slavic to the others in town who believe like yourself to be Yugoslav Makedonskis. So maybe you believe in colourful world we believe in truth like Bulgaria the mother country of all YugoSlavic Makedonskis have same culture, same language, and you have same surname only you put -ski for your identity. To change one identity because of a -ski on the end of name is [...]
Read the full comment not fair to your mother country. Your Slavic origins like Poles, Serbs, Croats, etc. all come here from the Volga region in Ukraine so you must be proud ny Yugoslav friend of your Slavonic race and not take from the Greek tribes names. Dimitri was a famous Greek speaking Macedonian warrior who fought against all your Slavic people when you came to area in 6-700 AD. In Saloniki we have big church for Dimitri with icon of him killing your Slavic forefathers who as primitive people they try to conquer us but you are to slow. So your Slavic origins is fact not rubbish DNA. Believe in your Yugoslavic Makedonski background is good for you.
Greetings from Macedonians of Greek and Bulgarian background in Kastoria.
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Bulgarian Maedonians?
What the hell dude? You will start making your own race of people. There are Macedonians who still live in Bulgaria. They are etnic Macedonians, like the ones that still live in Greece, etnic Macedonians. The speak Macedonian language! Speaking the Macedonian language, does not make you Slavinc. OF COURSE there is some "slavic mix" in our blood. The same is with Greek,Serbs,Croatinas,Bulgarians...antient slavic people came and started living on the whole Balkan. Its naiv to put strict border and to say: they came till Macedonia, and not further south.
Antient Indian [...]
Read the full comment people speak ENglish.They dont even speak their original language, and that does not make them less grandchildern of the Indians!
I am getting more and more amazed how you people can see the world only as Black as White. Gues what: THE WORLD IS COLOREFULL!
The nations got(and they still do) mixed up that much that they are beyon recognition. Especially small nations (few milions).You cant expect after more than 2000 years everything to be the same in one nation's culture, religion, language..
After all, Greece was not a country during Aleksandar's time, there were ciries and regions. Each of them with different customs dialekts, even languages. Mixing those cities, Afrikan ones, Tukish and Slavic made you what you are today. Just read the statistic of your blood DNA and you will see what you are. You can lie but you blood cant!
Of course you are Slavs Peter just like the Serbs, Croats, Slovaks, Poles. You have always been Slavs Peter just because you use a regional toponym does not make you any less Slav. Just as we are Greeks of Macedonian background so are you Slavs (many of the Slavs in Greece say they are Bulgarian macedonians) with a Macedonian regional background. It will eventually make sense to you when everyone around you is speaking Yugoslavica Makedonski. Don't be ashamed of who you are embrace it like many in your land and be proud of your Slavic (Yugoslav or bulgarian) background [...]
Read the full comment its good for you. Leave us Greeks with our Macedonian history while you can have your Slavic history in Macedonia.
Greetings from Kastoria home of the Greek and Bulgarian Macedonians.
To macedonia alway greece and Pericles,If you knew Europe and are able to distinguise the differance between language and identity,you would not try so hard to embarass youeselfs.The Macedonians are just Macedonians.We do speak the Slavic language of over 400 million people in Europe.That my friends does not make us slavs.What it makes us is we are slavo-phones.This is as plain as it can be,do you understand?Greeces politics of calling us as slavo-macedonians is absurd.Do you reffer to the Americans as English-Americans,Argentinians-Portuguese?Do you get it or not?Arent you sick of posting lies?
Have you Greeks ever thought why Greece does not recognises Macedonia and Macedonian identity?Greece knows,they are holding onto a foreigne land that does not belong to them.The Macedonian history does not belong to Greece.Greece has digged a deep hole in the ground and cant reach the top of this hole to come out.Greece relies on mythical history,not the real one.So, I dont you people stop and think,and come out and say,yes we are not even Greeks but Afro-Asians who have nothing in common with the ancient or todays Macedonians.Just read the article on this site by Alexander the Macedonian on [...]
Read the full comment your identity.It is self explanatory if you are capable to read.Greeces politics will sink Greece into that hole they have dug.
macedonia is Greek land
Greetings to my Greek brothers from Serbia
I mentioned before something about DNK analysis about which nation has truly descended from the antic Macedonians..
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.ph
Before saying that this is "ANOTHER PROPAGANDA" check who is IGENEA in this world (sorry but the universe is not rolling around greece)
http://www.igenea.com/index.php?content=132&st
I will quote:
Today’s Macedonians are descendants of the Antic Macedonians, says research results from the Swiss Genealogy Institute iGENEA. For a second time an independent research institution confirms what Oxford and Madrid University confirmed a [...]
Read the full comment decade ago.
iGENEA is the most famous global Genealogy institute who once again frustrated the Greek government by confirming the direct connection between the Macedonians today and in Antic times.
The question came from a Greek citizen who asked iGENEA the following question: "What are the roots of today SlavMacedonians".
The Institute responded: "Before all, they are Macedonians, not slavMacedonias as you referred to them for political reasons. The largest part of the Macedonians are direct descendants of the Antic Macedonians. Only a minor portion have a Slavic connection".
iGENEA backed up their findings with hard numbers. However, tying the today's Macedonians with Antic Macedonians is not the only disappointing information for Greece. According to iGENEA, only 32 percent of Greek citizens have Macedonian, Hellenic and even Arab origin. iGENEA further explains that 31 percent of Greek citizens have Celtic roots, 12 percent Germanic and Slavic origin, while 11% have Illyrian roots.
iGENEA also negated the Illyrians roots of the Albanians. In stark contrast to Albanian beliefs, IGENEA says the Albanians have the least Illyrian roots. Only 20 percent of the Albanians have Illyrian roots, while 40 percent of today’s Bosnians have Illyrian roots.
In the past several months, the iGENEA Genealogy Institute had been flooded with requests by Greek Citizens who, ironically, did not care for their own origin, but all questions were aimed at the Macedonians' origin. iGENEA in its research uses DNK analysis, historical, archeological, and anthropological sources.
READ IT ALL GREEK PEOPLE. YOU HAVE LESS MACEDONIAN BLOOD IN YOU, AND AFTER ALL YOU HAVE A SLAVIC BLOOD AS WELL!!!
Aleksandar from Macedonia, as i saw from one of your comments, you responded on the topic of prostitution. Ofcoarse in an amazing nation such as greece, there is NO prostitution because theyre so cool, and no, they do not lie about these things do they? And im not sure if youve noticed, but greece is an amzing nationan without any civil conflict. Dont forget ;)....direct descendants of aleksander the great, and the people of the nation are all well groomed, attractive....wait, you might even say perfect, yes PERFECT :|. Us "slavo macedonians, skopians, skopjanos, serbs, bulgarians, albanians" (hell....according to greeks [...]
Read the full comment we're probably aboriginies too) have no chance against perfect people like these....after all, they introduced homosexuallity ;). Oh god, it was unfair to create such a perfect nation and people such as greece, thanks for being so cool by attemtping to tell us what we truely are.
Dear Peter,
I think its useles teaching some kids of their history. Acording to them they are children of hellass, macedonia, greek, bizantia...sorry greek guys if i miss any other great civilisation from the antient history, because obviously it is part of your history!
To Macedonia always greece.My dear fellow,you are an idiot by implying the Macedonians are not Macedonians but Slavs.I did mention this lies on another occassion,here again to teach you something about the truth;We are Macedonians and do have connection to the ancient Macedonians.The problem is, you do not have any connection to the Hellens,therefore,you are stealing our Macedonian history.Further,we speak slavic,but that does not make ua "slavo-macedonians"you fool.There are over 400 million people who speak slavic language.Do you call the Serbs slavo-Serbs,do you call Poles slavo-Poles,do you call Russians slavo-Russians,do you call Bulgarians slavo-Bulgarians,do you call the Ukrainians slavo-Ukrainians,do you [...]
Read the full comment call the Belorussians slavo-Belorussians you idiot?This is a Greek propaganda to fabricate history.Greeces being is a fabrication.Before 1829 you were not even called Greeks or Greece.I am not sure if I made it clear enough or not,but I suggest you learn some history before you open your uneducated head.I would be ashamed to write something like you do.As a last comment to you,Macedonia and its people pre-existed your kinds.You are from Ethiopia and Asia,you are not Mediterenean people,dont you know?You clasified the Christian Turks that came from Turkey in the 1922-26 as the real ancient Macedonians,how so?Once more, I am Macedonian from the Aegean Macedonia and I have no connection to you Greeks.Read what Miss.Skoulariki and Miss.Karakasidou write on the Macedonian question.Both these individuals are professors in the Greek Universities.Are you better educated than them?macedonian always greece,you dhould be ashamed of your self for lack of knowleadge.
To Macedonia always greece.My dear fellow,you are an idiot by implying the Macedonians are not Macedonians but Slavs.I did mention this lies on another occassion,here again to teach you something about the truth;We are Macedonians and do have connection to the ancient Macedonians.The problem is, you do not have any connection to the Hellens,therefore,you are stealing our Macedonian history.Further,we speak slavic,but that does not make ua "slavo-macedonians"you fool.There are over 400 million people who speak slavic language.Do you call the Serbs slavo-Serbs,do you call Poles slavo-Poles,do you call Russians slavo-Russians,do you call Bulgarians slavo-Bulgarians,do you call the Ukrainians slavo-Ukrainians,do you [...]
Read the full comment call the Belorussians slavo-Belorussians you idiot?This is a Greek propaganda to fabricate history.Greeces being is a fabrication.Before 1829 you were not even called Greeks or Greece.I am not sure if I made it clear enough or not,but I suggest you learn some history before you open your uneducated head.I would be ashamed to write something like you do.As a last comment to you,Macedonia and its people pre-existed your kinds.You are from Ethiopia and Asia,you are not Mediterenean people,dont you know?You clasified the Christian Turks that came from Turkey in the 1922-26 as the real ancient Macedonians,how so?Once more, I am Macedonian from the Aegean Macedonia and I have no connection to you Greeks.Read what Miss.Skoulariki and Miss.Karakasidou write on the Macedonian question.Both these individuals are professors in the Greek Universities.Are you better educated than them?macedonian always greece,you dhould be ashamed of your self for lack of knowleadge.
you speak slavic dialect and you say this is makedonian!!!!!!!!!!you are slavs and you say you are makedonian!!!!!!!!SLAVS AND MAKEDONIAN IS TOTAL DIFRENT BY SIRIUS HISTORIC AND NOT BY FYROM PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!KIRO GLIGOROF (PM ON FYROM 1990)SAYS ON GREECE PRESS:WE ARE NOT MAKEDONIAN WE ARE SLAVS WE DONT HAVE NOTHING CLOSE TOO ALEXANDROS WE COME ON THIS AREA LATTER.IF YOU ARE IDIOT THIS IS YOUR PROBLEM, BUTT STOP THING ALL WORLD IS IDIOT.MAKEDONIAN SPEAK GREECE,HAVE GREECE NAME,THE OLD MAKEDONIAN COIN HAVE GREECE WORD,YOU LIKET OR NOT MAKEDONIAN IS GREECE AND BE FOREVER!!!
TOO ALEXANTAR,WE NEVER STEAL HISTORY FROM OTHER WE ARE PROUT LIKE GREECE WE ARE PROUT FOR OR HISTORY LIKE BYZANTIUM,HELLENES,MAKEDONIAN.YOU ARE STEALER,YOU LIVE WITH PROPAGANDA,YOU LIVE WITH LIES!!!!!BE PROUT LIKE YOUR REALY NATION (SLAVS)AND STOP CLAIM ALL THE TIME ASS YOU SAY YOU ARE MAKEDONIAN!!!!!
TO amciklar:
Sorry to disappoint you, but prostitution is the oldest "job" in the world.
I feel sorry for you that you are not educated and naive enough to believe that there are no prostitutes in the rest of the countries in the world!!
According to you, i guess only in Greece live the most honest and kindest people in the world lol.
Well you are shearing similar thoughts with one guy from the history. That guy believed that his nation is superior and the best nation in the world. He even [...]
Read the full comment went into war with the whole world because of that...yes my friend. its Adolf Hitler!
""Casinos in Gevgelia"....yes and hard-up old fat and ugly "yannanlar" visit whorehouses there too...Lots of Serb girls will be in Milan and Paris soon....and not for fashion week!
Now that the Macedonian citizens from the Republic of Macedonia,Greece and Bulgaria are able to travel visa free,we the Macedonians will spread our wings.The underprivilaged compatriots from Greece and Bulgaria will be able to visit their birth places forbiden since 1949.The Macedonian language in Greece will flourish like it or not.This is a win for the Macedonian people.When there is no borders and freedom of movement is present,people win!
Dear Greeks,
I think you are jealous this is why the nasty comments here
fyrom is slavs this is very clear for normal people and not for idiot,the makedonian,like nation like history is greece and be for ever.you born with propaganda you die with propaganda.we look the future you stay with tito propaganda,we see the winner soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what is happenig to any Bulgarian,Greek,Serbian or anyone who is not afraid to talk about his roots inside Fyrom.He is entering the traitor-enemy list of the Skopjean "Historians".This is the truth of Fyrom that cannot be hidden any more...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ACj8Lm3lahw/SwqFyi6JE2I/
Btw thanks Bulgaria for the that great book with the proofs about the "Makedonism" and who those people really are,and thank you Serbia for the same book from the Yugoslavian side that was publised yesterday by the Macedonia Philipo Petsarniko and the ambasador of Serbia on [...]
Read the full comment monday in Thessaloniki.You Fyromians will soon learn about this book more dont worrie!!For another time thank you Bulgaria and Serbia for speaking the truth.
Just an entopios Makedonas from Kastoria...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lqBsJvpfzM
English..just check that and think a little bit...
Well I could not resist to write one more time :)
Greets to Australian boy!
All the masp are saying that Antient Macedonia was much bigger then that part Greece took in 1913. 3 parts in total: Macedonia that I live in, Macedonia that Greece took and Macedonia that Bulgaria took. After short perioud of dividing the country, Greece started etnick cleaning of the region, masive changing of the names of places and people. Why do you think that people who lived in that part adn wore kicked out of their homes would lie that Greece [...]
Read the full comment did something like that. For god's sake people, I know you can be nationalist (every one can), but dont you think that something is wrong in claiming the right of calling yourselfs Macedonia? Its not that we are nationalist like you are saying all the time, but calling us by name that doesnt make any sence(fyromian) is wridicilous. What kind of name is that? What is my nationality according to you..let me gues..former yugoslavian republic of macedonian????????????
This name is just confirming that our country once was part of a big country called Yugoslavia, and that we are Macedonians. Try reading it the whole sentance,not just FYROM!!!
I am really sick of nationalistick thinking and blind eyes.
I really wish that this problem will be solved one day..dont worry we dont want the greek part of macedonia back,we just want to stop whi bullsht once and for all, and my nationon to be claimed like it deserves.
PS:After one DNK research of the ppl of Republic of Macedonia nad ppl of Greece was made, it was concluded that Macedonians(we) have most of the ancient macedonians % in our dnk then greece around 40% if I am not mistaking. Greece ppl has around 10% (i gues coz of the raping of Aleksander and his soldiers lol :)) ). The test was made by Engish scientist. I ll try to find that video and post it here. But ofcourse you ll say it is again propaganda. Like we have that much money to give to those scientist to set up the research...
Just stop guys, let us be and live!
We dont want problems, we are sick of that.
One of you said: 30% of Macedonian ppl are Albanians. Its around 20%, and YES we are claiming the rest of the nationalities that live in Macedonia. Coz acording to Greece, 100% of the ppl that live there is Greek. lol
come on you greeks,you can't keep claiming macedonia as your's.it was divided in 1913 into 3 parts greece got the bigger share of macedonia.then greece decided to change peoples names to sound like greek names,they changed the names of villages to greek names,i know my mother and father are from (lerin)which greece changed to(florina)we are macedonian and proud of it.macedonia has been there for thousand's and thousand's of years bc.so please please get your facts and history right before you people open your mouths to speak.macedonia is macedonia and always will be.get over it and live with it,before i go [...]
Read the full comment phillip and his son alexander the great are macedonian too. sorry about that i thought i would remind you of that so you can go and read up on history(the truth).god bless.go the rabbitohs.
Well,
I think it's bigger than that. Even if a bunch of Makedonians attend school or visit Greece, it doesn't mean much because their country is essentially poor, and that's because the rest are not free to associate and take advantage of the global economic opportunities.
Visiting richer countries under such conditions, instead of being empowering, often ends up as even more humiliating experience.
You have to be in their shoes to understand.
We in BG were there. We would visit a place and bring our own toilet paper and can food. [...]
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Now when I go to Greece, I dive a nicer car than most Greeks, stay in hotels that most Greeks couldn't afford, and all that because I too belong to a world where only your own shortcomings will prevent you from achieving affluence and economic freedom.
Now that I visit Greece as an equal, quite frankly has improved my view of the Greeks - I used to dislike most of them... now, not that "I like them" as much as I don't think about that anymore - people like people.
As far as diasporas - strangely enough they suffer from the same isolation syndrome, but for different reasons. Most live in Canada, US and Australia - all very geographically isolated countries with innumerable minorities which can be devastatingly claustrophobic in itself, especially if one isn't willing to commingle.
Many use nationalism as a point of reference or an anchor in the turbulent strange world of small dark non-white people - believe me, I've been there too...
Valeri i agree 100%.But i have to say something.Bussines between Greeks and Fyromians are allready happening,many young Fyromians are here in Thessaloniki in the Univercities,many Greeks are in Fyroms univercities,in the summer this year the Fyromians hit the record of tourism in Greece,Greeks are going in Ohrid and in the Cazinos in Geugeli,but the thing is that the conection exsists allready.The people who are(i beleive majority)has good relationships,there is no nationalism and personally i have long distance relatives in Fyrom nd i know that the problem starts from the Diaspora.I just dont get it with this whole Visa thing honestly..I [...]
Read the full comment mean i dont know whats the reaction from the Serbians or Montenegro,but i just dont understant how it is suposed to make any diference.This is why i mentioned the times back in Yugoslavia when Visa was not needed to travel to EU.Anyway probably im silly and i dont know how it is,honestly im not trying to insult anyone is that that i was very surprised by the reaction in Fyrom thats all.I hope it will be good for Fyrom honestly.Afterall no visa is good for Greece too.Last year more than 1 million Serbians visited Greece in the summer,and all of them needed Visa i think or something(sorry if im wrong).Why to have visa to visit a country for vacations its stupid so its good that its gone.
Alexandar said
"The fact that Greece (Hell ass) occupied half of the south part of Macedonia , 100 years ago, does not give you the right to claim the nationality of the Macedonians"
The fact that you ocupie the north ppart of Macedonia gives you the right to call your self Macedonian??
Dont talk about education you insult all the humanity and specially the balkans.I hope now with Visa is gone(and since it was so important for you people and now the road is open)to travel truth Europe [...]
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Alexandar are you on drungs or something??While your country is the poorest of Europe on of the poorest of the world,while 40% of the Fyromians are unemployement and more than 30% under the proverty line(not that the rest are better...)while Greece together with Turkey and Germany are the people who actually brought some dignity in your home by giving you people jobs,while you are the number one provider of drugs in the area,while you people live in country that 30% of it are Albanians (Tetovo Kumanovo and those area more than 80%)who as the time passes get nervous andd start [...]
Read the full comment rethinkink the Ohrid deal,while you have one million problems like this,you talk to as about bancrupty a bulshit that you rode somewhere(im sure that was MINA or MAKFAX thats all what the diaspora freaks knows)a game that has been set up for the stock market by FT and some other players??And now they are all taking it back cause they just realised that when they are trying to hit Greece in reallity they are trying to hit all EU!!And you are so clown to tell us that we will beg money from Macedonia??Well Macedonia is rich area,specially Thessaloniki i agree with this,but what this has to do with you???Or wht you tryed to say was Fyrom??hahahahaha!!For god shake man honestly when you are saying those things do you reallise that you should actually tell this to your mirror?Do u realise that you just expresed the situaton in your country or the propaganda has killed every single cell in your brain???Its unbelevable what is happening to your brains.You people are mental there is no other explanation.
Visa guy,
Free travel is key.
In order to do ANY type of business, one has to be free to catch a plane and meet with people on a short notice. Otherwise you are at complete disadvantage and at the mercy of others at all times.
Better yet:
Young people need to be free to associate with other youth from around Europe - the only way for a sane future for all of us.
Isolation breeds nationalism, like that pathetic "Makedoniaism" we are all making fun of - you know [...]
Read the full comment - the Alexander Veliki crap.
Folks that dream that up, are hurt, feel humiliated, unloved and unwanted, so they need symbols of pride and revenge that all too often bring trouble for all the rest - not unlike Germany after WWI, only on a much smaller and miserable scale...
My neigboors relax!!First of all there wont be any Veto(this year at least)cause simply there wont be any invitation.Second we are the country that brought you to EU from the beggining in case they didnt told you even this.Third Visa liberation is good but it simply doesnt mean anything at all.We supported you 100% on this its good for us in case you people dont get it.Now you can travel in EU(i think except UK)for 90 days.I mean i dont get it.Whats the point to be happy for Visa liberation(i think that mostly your problem was the money and not [...]
Read the full comment the time you were waiting)when you are not able to stay in any other EU country for more than 90 days??I mean you cant come and stay(except from the sudentents i think im not sure)so i the problem was the traveling thing i dont get it really.You can travel in France or Spain or anywere in EU for 90 days and the problem you have is the money of the Visa??Your parents could travel in Europe during the Yugoslavia times or im wrong??Whats the diference??Yesterday i saw a foto with Fyromians celebrating like crazy!!It was redicilus honestly,i never expected that you people are so desperated..Its so sad really,but really im happy that you got it if this was so imprtant for u what can i say..
This is a last comment from me.
I cant go low on your level to use such a low words...
Every person on this planet has a right to claim his nationality and name how he feels.
I am Macedonian, proud to be one. You dont need to like that. Keep your mouth in your own business..i just read your country is facing a bankrupt..not first nor last time. Better put the focus one solving that problem as well as corruption, otherwise you will start beg money from Macedonia.
It has always [...]
Read the full comment been, and always will: Victor writes the history! Dont forget that everything that is written in your history books is written by the victors.
If by any chance Hitler won the war (thanks god its not like that), the history of the WW2 would have been much more different. I am sure of that!
Greetings and take care my silly greek friend
too aleksandar,greece (hellas from hellenes)it wass before ottoman by sirius historic and not by fyrom books.the propaganda is not history and you see soon!!!you born with propaganda and you die with propaganda.you are one fasistic nation,pacet stealer,history stealer.you are olso prout because you are welcome too nazi too xitler????shame,shame on you fyrom.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.his
Check the page to have some education!
The fact that Greece (Hell ass) occupied half of the south part of Macedonia , 100 years ago, does not give you the right to claim the nationality of the Macedonians.
After all the abbreviation FYROM that you put on our head means: Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia. YES, we were part of Yugoslavia once upon a time..but now we are a free country!
If you like the abbreviations so much, [...]
Read the full comment why dont you call your self FTRG (Former Turkish Republic of Greece) or FRERG (Former Roman Empire Republic of Greece)?!?!?!
After all, your country was part of the Ottoman Empire as the rest of the Balkan countries..
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too aleksandar,the realy name is alexandros,butt is normal because you are slavs nothing close with macedonian!you speak slavic dialect and you say this is macedonian,you are slavic nation and you say this is macedonian,if all fyrom is crazy,this is your problem.you never be macedonian for sure,you see soon.the greece history is part of europe history,so you dont steal just the greece history you steal the europe olso.you are one nation carnaval,pacet stealer and olways be.
so now with visa is good time too visit the greece,go too vergina too see the realy macedonia!!!!!!!
Happy days for the Macedonian people.
VETO? Why Greece has the right to put a VETO whenever they want?
Problems with the name/flag between Macedonia and Greece needs to be solved, but not to exceed those borders!
More over Greece needs to decide which name they want to use: Greece, Hellas, Macedonia, Mars...WTF.. How many names can one country have?
Oh dear, Greece missed a trick in not applying its sacred "VETO" to this one !!!!
(But at least Macedonia used its correct flag this time !)