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Scant optimism about Gruevski – Papandreou meeting

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Scant optimism about Gruevski – Papandreou meeting

Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski.

Scant optimism about Gruevski – Papandreou meeting

Greece's prime minister, George Papandreou.

The meeting in Greece on November 27 2009 between Greek prime minister George Papandreou and his Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski is hardly likely to produce progress in resolving the dispute between the two countries about the use of the name Macedonia, media reports in Skopje said.
 
The meeting, held at the invitation of Papandreou – who is also his country’s foreign minister – will follow a trilateral meeting among the leaders of Greece, Macedonia and Albania.
 
Governing and opposition parties in Macedonia welcomed the meeting held out little hope, Skopje-based Kanal 5 television channel said, as quoted by Bulgarian news agency Focus.
 
The Democratic Union for Integration (DUI), a member of Macedonia’s ruling coalition, was optimistic and expected that before the December 2009 European Council meeting there would be a solution.
 
The European Commission has recommended that a starting date be decided for negotiations with Macedonia on it joining the European Union, but it is widely held that progress is unlikely unless the name dispute is solved.
 
"The meeting in the village of Pili in Prespes is a historical chance for Macedonia to become part of Europe," said leader of the opposition Albanian party New Democracy Imer Selmani.
 
The leader of the opposition Social Democratic Union of Macedonia (SDSM) Branko Crvenkovski said that the country did not need now false actions, but true efforts to find a solution. 
 
Media reports in Athens quoted a senior Greek foreign ministry source as saying that the bilateral meeting between Gruevski and Papandreou would not mean parallel talks on the name dispute and said that the process of seeking a solution remained with the United Nations.
 
The foreign ministry source said that Papandreou would give Gruevski the message that his counterpart’s country’s EU prospects depended on a solution based on a name with a geographical element for common use.
 
Past attempts at a solution have included a proposal for the name "Republic of Northern Macedonia".
 
United States ambassador in Skopje Philip Reeker said that the Papandreou-Gruevski meeting could prove crucial to a swift settlement of the name dispute, Balkan Insight said.
"We are looking forward to this meeting, which is crucial for name talks," Reeker told local media. "We believe that Macedonia and Greece can find an acceptable solution," he said.
 
In an interview with Greek media on November 23, Greece’s alternate foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas was quoted as saying that it was in the hands of the government in Skopje to "abandon their intransigent stance and extremist nationalist rhetoric".
 
"Groundless and historically unfounded claims do not benefit our neighbouring country’s people, who are in immediate need of the prosperity and growth guaranteed by the European perspective. We are going to support this perspective but we want - and we must – be clear: there cannot be a start of EU accession negotiations without a prior resolution of the name issue. This is our clear and well-known position. There is no room for misunderstandings," Droutsas said.
 

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Anonymous Leonidas Thu, Dec 03 2009 07:10 CET
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Considering your people seeked refugee n the region your in seturies after his death

another thing I dnt understand is why you wouldn't embrace your own culture instead of chasing dreams every thing your greatgrandparent went through was for nothing.

I'm sorry to say but use have all been brainwashed to the point if no return.

It's like me saying my grandparents came to australia years ago I to day found a spear in my backyard I therefore claim myself to be aboriginal. It's just not happening

Anonymous Leonidas Thu, Dec 03 2009 07:02 CET
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From my understanding Alexander the great was born in pella a small area in the northern part of ancient and modern Greece, how you can claim him to be yours cotradicts every piece of historical evidence every historian from around the world has found of scribings in these monuments from small coins to statues erected in his honour throughout the Greek region of Macedonia tall all of geece throughout Asia(ancient Babylon) through to Egypt and India.
If your Slavic language can understand these Greek inscriptions than you every right to protest, but considering you can't read or understand these inscriptions when my 12 year old niece who's studying Greek can understand what they write than it doesn't say much about your involvement with Alexander t consideryour people seeked refugee in that region centuries after his death.

Anonymous περικλη ελλαδα Sat, Nov 28 2009 04:03 CET
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εισαι και πολυ βλημα.

Anonymous sotirche Sat, Nov 28 2009 03:25 CET
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periclis greece
please stop posting comments if you can not even spell correctly!!!

Anonymous macedonia olways greece Sat, Nov 28 2009 01:50 CET
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too all fyromanian,if you whant too be idiot,this is your problem,but if you whant make all world idiot,this is or problem!

Anonymous Aries. Fri, Nov 27 2009 12:38 CET
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PETRAKI
Afti i ellines den piran ta dikas xorafia piran ta xorafia twn Tourkvwn pou emenan ekei kata tin antallagi twn plithismwn.
you hsve karakassidou and skoulariki i have at least 300
full fledged professors not
assistant professor stating the opposite.
About Mitsotakis he was at the verge of making a Deal With
Milosevic to wipe Fyrom out of the map, but finally he retracted his step. By the way the offer was
made by Milosevic.
TOO BAD FOR AREA.

Anonymous Demir Fri, Nov 27 2009 04:09 CET
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Nicola is 100% correct. It seems to me that if anyone disagrees with the Greeks they must be wrong. All our neighbouring countries recognize Macedonia and call it such except... You guessed it...Greece! get over it. This won't change whatever the outcome of these talks.

Anonymous PERICLIS GREECE Thu, Nov 26 2009 21:28 CET
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Anonymous Peter Thu, Nov 26 2009 21:27 CET
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Adam,Ime Makedonas apo ton Egeon,Florinis)Lerin)Afti i "Elines"pu irthan apo tin Turkia ke piran the horafia apo tus Makedones i perisoteri ene Turki Christiani.Ne,emis tus leme prosfigi giati ine xeni.Now,I can tell you,they were brought to our areas in order to helenize us,but has not worked.We do have a long memory who we are,unlike yourselfs.What Greece should do is just recognise the Macedonian minority in Greece and give them the same human rights as you have.Is this so hard to recognise ones identity?I told you what Miss.Karakasidou and Skoulariki said about the Macedonians and Macedonia.What Vasilis Dendramanis said in 1925,what Rallis said to the New York Times in 1903,what Mitsotakis sai in 1995 about the recognision of the Macedonian minority and the Turkish minority in Thrace.You do know what happened in 1912-13 in Bucharest.Are you still in denial of these events?If you do,you are still in the mythological Greece.We the Macedonians are living in four different parts of the geographical Macedonia who speak,worship under same language.What Greece wants us to do is to change our language,identity etc.Are you out of your mind?The Macedonian Prime Minister is demanding to hold on to what is ours,not yours.Are you people afraid of loosing the Macedonian history?Dont you think you are in denial.We as Macedonians will keep what is ours,no one can deny it.Wheather we will join the EU or not is not as importent as loosing ones ethnicity,dont you ever forget.

Anonymous PERICLIS GREECE Thu, Nov 26 2009 19:37 CET
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this adress is from fyrom with fuel propaganda,butt just look the coin.

Anonymous PERICLIS GREECE Thu, Nov 26 2009 19:24 CET
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http://www.makedonijaese.com the end of the lies.

Anonymous periclis greece Thu, Nov 26 2009 18:14 CET
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macedonian old coin have greece symbol,and not slavic like you,if you are slavs???YES FOR SURE,your name is slavic your culture is slavic,you speak bulgarin diallect,so what you are?macedonian???BE SIRIUS!!!slavs come on this area the 6-7 bc,macedonian it wass before here by SIRIUS HISTORIC,visit the vergina too see the realy macedonian.believ me all world is not idiot too believ your propaganda by tito.macedonian you be only IN YOUR DREAM FOR SURE.

Anonymous Koinos Nous Thu, Nov 26 2009 17:55 CET
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The main problem is that Gruevski is a prat, and also in the pocket of the Macedonian diaspora. So he will not demonstrate either the leadership or the negotiation expertise that one might otherwise expect in a Prime Minister.

Papandreou - highly experienced, and in his second time in office - will walk all over him, alas.

The Republic of Macedonia deserves better than Gruevski (I think ex-President Vladimir Voronin of Moldova may be looking round for a new post after his term of office has expired - he is one heavy cookie with lots of experience in successfully dealing with an agressive neighbour. Recommended.

He doesn't do boxing, but he can drive a Soviet tank !

Anonymous HELLENIC EMPIRE Thu, Nov 26 2009 06:22 CET
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these people are yugoslavian not greek wtf! is going on,this is not fair just because they sold their backside to the war loving yanks does that mean we all have to suffer.

Anonymous Chris MKD Thu, Nov 26 2009 06:17 CET
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First off the greeks on here make me laugh thank u. Now this is how this is gonna play out MACEDONIA might not get a start date for the EU or NATO but the people will never let go of the name and who we are so if we get vetoed so be it. Macedonias next step to this will be to stop these stupid negoiations and push for a UN resolution after we when the HAUGE case, because we have over 125countries that recognise us as REPUBLIC OF MACEDOONIA which burns all greeks inside there will be a vote on the name inside the UN then all u greeks will burn but they wont push for that yet has EU and EC are all watching macedonia but its coming i know. And we all know the land that u greeks have was occupied by the real macedonians which is us until 1913 balkan wars tore us apart and now u claim to be macedonians very intresting...... Anyway we all know the name has really nothing to do with it beacuse if we are recognised offically as macedonia and macedonians in the UN u will lose all that land back to us thats what is really all about prior until the breakup of macedonia from yogoslavia greeks did not refer to themselves as macedonians and the land was not called macedonia it was changed in the late 80's but im just waiting to hear the greek response now anyway my country will always be MACEDONIA AND WE WILL ALWAYS BE MACEDONIANS WE DONT CONFUSE OURSELVES LIKE THE GREEKS CALLING THEMSELEVES GREEK MACEDONIANS WHAT A JOKE IDENTITY CRISIS ANY 1?????

Anonymous Niko Thu, Nov 26 2009 02:47 CET
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@ or maybe the analogy should be inverted.....the difference is, the people of new mexico do not claim to be mexican. see the difference??

Anonymous Greek Macedonia Supremacy Thu, Nov 26 2009 00:16 CET
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According to the last echoes I received, I would not be so optimistic about this meeting. The greek government clearly hinted it.
There will be no negociations during this meeting, which is just a mirage, to show some activity (=good will) from both parts about the name issue towards the EU in view of the december summit. I think that cannot be more obvious.

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Anonymous i just want an eu passport before I die! Wed, Nov 25 2009 21:50 CET
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aaarrrrrgh

Anonymous american with macedonian (or slavoydyjdjhd whatever, guys) parents Wed, Nov 25 2009 21:48 CET
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Seriously, you guys sound just like angry American right-wing internet trolls. The use of SCREAMING ALL CAPS, smugly denigrating groups of people that are different from you, calling people fascists. For shame. The last thing you want to be is an American right-wing internet troll. God, I hope you're all eight years old, like the American versions. Why would you be happy about blocking another country from joining the EU? One that's a trading partner and has a very similar culture? Is it because that means you win some schoolyard fight about ancient history? That's petty and immature. As I think someone was saying below, all of Europe was Greek. You know, all of Europe was Turkish at one point too. So what? I think the Greeks get their due respect regarding their contributions to Western civilization. What does it matter slavo, northern, whatever? In modern times that's what Macedonians are used to calling themselves. It's so weird. No one thinks Macedonians are Greek. Obviously, they are Slavs, and their country happens to share a name with a region of your country. This doesn't mean anyone is stealing anyone's heritage. Leave the questions of ancient history and Alexander the Great to the academics. I mean, should Mexico attack the USA because we have a state named New Mexico? Does this mean that Mexican heritage is being insulted and they ARE PRETENDING TO MEXICAN THEY ARE REALLY DIRTY ANGLOFASCISTS OMG! Obviously, Greece holds all the power here. Why not be gracious and agree to a compromise?

Anonymous AH Wed, Nov 25 2009 20:51 CET
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Nicola, from the Greek Nikolaos, meaning victory for the nation or people. Nicola did you realize your name is Greek? Oh wait. You were stealing that name too. I see a pattern.

Anonymous periclis greece Wed, Nov 25 2009 19:27 CET
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very nice taki, thanks.

Anonymous Taki Wed, Nov 25 2009 19:21 CET
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Wow you Slaves are so brain washed...it sad to see what communism does...you have to realize that Tito was a puppet and messed all your heads up....have a look the at attached link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXLFdX2iDHQ

Anonymous Aries. Wed, Nov 25 2009 19:13 CET
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K.Nous
Quick >>> the Stakeholders <<< my friend The Zombies are back again.

Anonymous Macedonian Greek Wed, Nov 25 2009 19:03 CET
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Nicola,

Get over it. you guys lost we won. Have you ever heard the phrase survival of the strongest, smartest .you poor bastards could not hold on to a piece of land that you were occupying. Now you are trying to insult us with your neo Nazi propaganda. Please go back to school so you can get re educated you Barbarian
Macedonia for Greeks not Slavic Barberians.
.

Anonymous periclis greece Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:59 CET
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agess you stay with tito propaganda,and fasistic gruefski chose is yours butt you must now,we never,never stop be the original macedonian,we born macedonian you born slavs,so simple.too macedonian-kastoria welcome,i am from grevena.

Anonymous Makedonas-Kastoria Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:58 CET
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Sure sure!!Hague,USA Bush and all the previus dreams that you had!!LOL!!!What are they doing to you people its amazing..there must be a point in your life that you people must wake up in the reallity.I think that this time is comming probably sooner than we thouth.The sad thing is that they dont prepare you for this.Well i think that this is happening on purpose to hide other issues.But then again thats your problem.Anyway it was nice talking to you!!

Anonymous Koinos Nous Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:53 CET
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I like Dimi's quite sophisticated argument (some way down the page): we are all Greeks (or Yunani) one way or the other, so the whole "Macedonia" question is entirely academic !

Pou einai afto ? On Makedoniets.

Katalaveis Elleniko ? Da, ponimayu ochen harasho.

Das vidandya/ Geia sou !

Nice to know that Greeks and Slavs are really the same people after all, after all these years of international misunderstandings !

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:51 CET
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the ruling case in the hague can also determine, the name issue for the macedonians to pullout of these long outstanding talks.

Anonymous Makedonas-Kastoria Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:45 CET
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Well then my half Makedonsky wanabe Macedonia lets wait and see!!Im telling you we support you on this all the Greeks and specially the Macedonians!!Go for it we wait!!Lets see if you people have the balls!!

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:42 CET
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to tell you the truth i have no idea why there waiting to a united nations vote i guess there waiting for another veto from grecce to action it, also remember macedonian goverment has sued greece in the hauge.

Anonymous periclis greece Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:42 CET
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oh aTTACK FROM FYROMANIAN!!REALY NAME OF GREECE IS HELLAS FROM HELLENES,YOUR GREEC PETER IS GOOD!!!HELLENES IS ON THIS AREA BEFORE YOU BY SIRIUS HISTORIC,PARTHENON,ACROPOLIS IF YOU NOW!!!!YOU ARE NOT MACEDONIAN SORRY,LOOK OTHER HISTORY TOO BE PROUT,MAYBE YOUR LIKE SLAVS.MACEDONIA OLD COIN THE HAVE HELLENIC SYMBOL AND NOT SLAVIC LIKE YOU.MACEDONIAN HAVE HELLENIC NAME AND CULTURE AND NOT YOUR SLAVIC.KIRO GLIGOROF (P/M ON FYROM 1990)SAYS ON GREECE PRESS DAYS BEFORE:WE ARE SLAVS WE COME ON THIS AREA LATTER FROM MACEDONIAN WE DONT HAVE NOTHING CLOSE WITH ALEXADROS WE ARE NOT MACEDONIAN.YOU SPEAK BULGARIAN DIALLECT AND YOU SAY THIS IS MACEDONIAN YOU ARE SLAVS AND YOU SAY ARE MACEDONIAN,BE SIRIUS!!!!!!VISIT THE VERGINA TOO SEE THE REALY MACEDONIAN,50 K.M FROM THESALONIKH.THING OPEN OR STAY WITH TITO PROPAGANDA.

Anonymous Makedonas-Kastoria Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:38 CET
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Nicola why dont you people push your goverment this to happen now?Why wait for the Veto,its 100% for sure that is coming and it will come from 3 countries you should know!!Do it man just do it!!Im 100% with you on this lets get over with it one day earlier!!But you are chickens thats all!!You people know what will happen after a couple of years without EU or NATO while Serbia,Montenegro and most important of all Albania will join the Union and NATO!!Its your biggest nightmare this one and it comming to reallity soon!!Push your goverment to do this with the next recognition we will support you on this!!

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:37 CET
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listen here idiot your danai egyptian africans as for me i'm half macedonian from mothers side that you danai ocoupie her home i hear many stories of you freaks and how you did this so called genocide agains't the macedonians and you goverment payed greek guys to marry macedonian girls to destroy there ethnic ancestry by marriages.

Anonymous adam Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:37 CET
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i feel sorry for the skopes...they banked on the USA all these years just to have their dreams come crashing in Bucharest. Now they say they will take it to the UN.How the hell will you take a vote to the UN when the talks are sponsored by them ? Are you ppl completely wacked ?

Anonymous EU IS NOT FOR U Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:32 CET
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hahahahah!!People just read what Nicola wrote!!!hahahahaah!they are metal!!!!hahahahahahah!!Nicole you are the King honestly you take the price!!!!

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:31 CET
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i feel sorry for you greek idiots because i more veto and talks are over and we go straight to the united nations to vote for our name within as republic of macedonia now do you think you greeks will have any say in this matter if this happens.

Anonymous adam Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:29 CET
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nicola, are you retarded ?

Anonymous adam Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:28 CET
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LOL @ nicola

Anonymous adam Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:26 CET
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@ Peter

File mou..emeis kseroume poli kala apo pou proerxmaste...mallon esi den kseries tin diki sou. Milas slavika kai les oti emeis eimaste ksenoi ? Pas kala...pare kanena xapaki kai synerthou file. Den amfivalo oti esthanse katoikos tis makedonias alla mi poulas malakies apo pano...

peace

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:24 CET
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keep on dreaming danai african egyptian friend.

Anonymous Dimi Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:24 CET
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This is Alexanters legacy this is MAcedonian legacy this is Hellinic Legacy. You are fakes.
NOT A SINGLE MACEDONSKI WHERE TODAY IS INDIA PAKISTAN UZBEKISTAN AFGHANISTAN.
NOT A SINGLE MACEDONSKI MAKEDON MAKEDONAS NOTHING NONE 0.
EVERYONE IS GREEK EVERYONE IS A Yona Yavana Yauna Yavanu Yunan Javana Yonaka.

In Indian sources, the usage of the words "Yona", "Yauna", "Yonaka", "Yavana" or "Javana" etc. appears repeatedly, and particularly in relation to the Greek kingdoms which neighboured or sometimes occupied the Indian north-western territories (which is now Afghanistan or part of Pakistan) over a period of several centuries from the 4th century BCE to the 1st century CE, such as the Seleucid Empire, the Greco-Bactrian kingdom and the Indo-Greek kingdom. The Yavanas are mentioned in detail in Sangam literature epics such as Pattinappalai, describing their brisk trade with the Cholas in Tamilakam.
This usage was shared by many of the countries east of Greece, from the Mediterranean to India:

* Egyptians used the word j-w-n(-n)-’
* Assyrians used the word Iawanu
* Persians used the word Yauna or Yavanu
* Indians - used the word Yavana in Mahabharata and other historic texts.
* Sri Lankans - used the word Yona in Mahawamsa and other historic texts.
* In Biblical writings, the word was Yāvān (and still is, in modern Israeli Hebrew - יוון)
* In Arabic, Turkish, Persian and Urdu it is Yunan

Anonymous Makedonas-Kastoria Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:21 CET
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The funny think with this people is not the bulsit that they were telling them all this years,is not the fact that they are probably living on another dimension on a diferrent and schypo one,but its that we are oon 2009 and they dont want to wke up.Its like they like to live in their happy world.I mean i read what this nicola for examble is writing and im asking my self.Is this possible?Is this reall there are clown like him in reallity or its just a farse.I mean is it possible to be so brainwashed and so uneducated about everything???All the balkans are lauphing at them and they dont get it.But whats reall funny and strange with the Slavobulgars of Fyrom is their goverment and their media.I mean whats the point to lie to them really??In the Fyromian media they actually told them that the meeting is happening because of Gruevski and that there will be a conversation about the name issue while this is an enviromental meeting and it is happening because of Papandreou.Papadreou and Droutsas said i million times that there is no way to discuss this matter over there,there is no point anyway.Listen guys,put it good in your stupid empty heads.This years you will have a nationality,ethnicity,language and name for your country neither you like it or not.It doesnt matter what your media are telling you and it doesnt matter how much you will freak inside the net.The truth is this and only this.By next october everything will be finished.Then maybe and i say maybe
because there is the Albanian issue and how you treat them,then maybe we will discuss the possibility to enter on NATO or the Union in the next decade.Keep crying freaks on your net planet we cant tell you how much we enjoy iit!!

Anonymous NICOLA Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:20 CET
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but the only thing you don't understand is they kicked you and the jews out of egypt around the same time you the danai while the jews were caanan.

Anonymous Macedonian Greek Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:16 CET
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Nicola,

Unfortunately your point of view is a Slavic neo Nazi phenomena .you are living in a third rate country blaming your misguided future on Greece.

Personally I would be honored to be affiliated with such an ancient culture as Egypt, and would do everything in my power not let you Slavs take our name

Macedonia. Alexander will be rolling in his grave if he knew a barbaric Slavic race is claiming to be Macedonian. Macedonia is and will always be Greek

Anonymous NICOLA Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:14 CET
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YOU GREEKS CHOSE YOUR NAME FROM WHAT THE LATINS CALLED YOU WHEN YOU ARRIVED TO STEAL THERE LAND SO THEY NAMED YOU DANAI AS GRECI AND MAGNA GRECIA THE SOUTH OF WHAT IS ITALY BECAUSE YOU WERE THE THEIFS.MAGNA GRECIA MEANS BIG THIEF. YOU STUPID HISTORIANS KNOW THIS FACT TO. HAPPY READING MY DANAI FRIENDS.

Anonymous NICOLA Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:05 CET
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YOU GREEKS WILL NEVER STEAL MAKEDONIAN HISTORY. ONCE EUROPE REALISE, THAT THERE MAKEDONIANS.
YOU GREEKS WILL BE DEPORTED BACK TO AFRICA(EGYPT)WHERE YOU ARRIVED FROM 800BC.

Anonymous Peter Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:02 CET
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Pericles-greece,why dont you learn history before you come out and write stupidity?Why are you even claiming you are greek since there are no real Hellens in the Balkans?Before you make another comment on the issue of name,please read the 1925 agreement of the League of Nations,1903 what Rallis said to the New York Times,what Miss.Skoulariki and Miss.Karakasidou write on the Macedonian question.The meetting between Papandreou and Gruevski is a positive thing,but Macedonia cannot change its identity just for the sake of EU or NATO.One part of our land is free,three more parts are under foreighn rule.Pericles, dont make yourself look like an ass,learn history before you venture to make a sensible comment."Prota mathe tin dikisou istoria prin na pis kati gia tin Makedonia.Mathe prota apo pu proerhese,ke pios itan proti sta Valkania.I hope you do understand greek,because by judging your comments you cannot read greek.

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 18:01 CET
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YOU GREEKS ARE DANAI ASK ANY HISTORIAN EGYPTIAN DANAI.WHO ARRIVED IN 800BC.

Anonymous PERICLIS GREECE Wed, Nov 25 2009 17:51 CET
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THE FANATIC NEVER WIN,WE MUST BE PART OF THE SOLUTION,WE ARE YOUNG AND WE MUST THING OPEN.POLITIC LIKE GRUEFSKI WIN ONLY WITH THE PROBLEM.JUST THING IF WE DONT HAVE THE PROBLEM WITH THE NAME WHAT BE THE GRUEFSKI???NOTHING,YOU LOSE NOT THE GRUEFSKI.

Anonymous periclis greece Wed, Nov 25 2009 17:14 CET
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like slavomacedonia welcome too NATO,welcome too E.U,the chose is yours.

Anonymous periclis greece Wed, Nov 25 2009 17:01 CET
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papandreou is very harismatic politic,and i thing is time for people from fyrom too thing open.

Anonymous PERICLIS GREECE Wed, Nov 25 2009 16:57 CET
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on greece we are not fanatic and we hope for solution,just we want too keep the part of or history.i thing the slavomacedonia is olso fear because you are slavs,and then the can be more izzy for the rest macedonian [greece] like me.

Anonymous view from across the pond Wed, Nov 25 2009 16:56 CET
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Whatever, Slavomacedonia. Ejhsuydfvmksagvistan. Whatever you call it, people will still self-identify as Macedonians. The primary concern for the adults in the situation (like, the people negotiating right now) is whether the name implies territorial rights, not whether it protects the feelings of a bunch of whiny nationalists. And the primary concern of the EU is for both countries to just knock it off already and stop acting like toddlers. Can they actually manage it and rise above the behavior of the citizens of their countries? God I hope so, but that's putting a lot of faith in mere politicians...

Anonymous view from across the pond Wed, Nov 25 2009 16:46 CET
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I hope that the leaders of both countries can come to a compromise and aren't releasing much information because they don't want to piss of the nationalists on both sides of the issue. Who gives a shit about European geopolitics from before the birth of Christ and running water? As an American of Macedonian descent, I think Republic of North Macedonia is fine. Macedonians don't want (nor do they have the ability) to claim any of Greek's territory. But, people will probably still self-identify as Macedonians because they've been doing so for at least 100 years; no one's identity is going to be *erased* by a geographical modifier. I just want Macedonia to join the EU so it can get some economic support and life can be a little easier for my relatives. Also, I desperately want a Schengen Visa so that I can travel and work in Europe. I'm sure most young people living in Macedonia feel the same way. The hardliners on both sides are really frustrating.

Anonymous periclis greece Wed, Nov 25 2009 16:24 CET
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YOU MUST FORGET THE NAME MACEDONIA,FOR YOUR CONTRY,IF YOU REALY LIKE SOLUTION,LOOK FOR A NEW NAME LIKE:SLAVOMACEDONIA,or some thing like this.

Anonymous Aries. Wed, Nov 25 2009 16:21 CET
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Nicola
Do me a great favor will you.
GeT Lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous nicole Wed, Nov 25 2009 16:03 CET
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makedonians that obtained the danai name are the vikings yes today's norway and island.
the other half of the vikings the danes yes the normans are today's danmark and sweden.

Anonymous nicola Wed, Nov 25 2009 15:58 CET
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get stuff you idiots know nothing all of europe are makedonians except poor greeks who are danai egyptians, and there name is thiefs in latin like example the ones that gave them this name the latins of latium of what is today italy around 800bc the time they arrived stealing the lands of the southern part of latins.

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Media reports say that the EU will pressure Athens and Skopje to come up with a solution to the Macedonia name dispute by December 7, or Brussels will take a cooler approach to Macedonia’s EU hopes; while a row breaks out in Belgrade after Serbia’s foreign minister takes sides in the dispute.

Serbia speaks on Macedonia name dispute – reports

Greece’s alternate foreign minister Dimitris Droutsas in talks in Belgrade at the start of a Western Balkans tour.

Bulgaria’s support for Macedonia conditional on its behaviour – Borissov

Bulgarian PM Boiko Borissov and visiting Macedonian counterpart Nikola Gruevski agree that their countries’ relations are ‘friendly and fraternal’ but Borissov warns that Sofia’s support for Skopje depends on Macedonia keeping to the rules of good neighbourliness.

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