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Sat, Nov 21 2009
Kosovo debated in UN Security Council
Serbia and Kosovo clashed at an October 15 2009 United Nations Security Council debate on Kosovo, held against the background of a UN report that calls on all communities to work together to normalise the situation in Kosovo.
The report, in the name of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and presented by UNMIK chief Lamberto Zannier, said that the European Union mission in Kosovo – which unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in February 2008 – continued to be status-neutral and continued to exchange information and co-ordinate its work with UNMIK.
Covering the June 1 to September 15 2009 period, the report said that the situation in the north of Kosovo was still fragile and bore the risk of destabilising the rest of Kosovo.
Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic urged UN member states to await the outcome of the International Court of Justice proceedings on Kosovo. The court was asked by the UN General Assembly in 2008 for an opinion on the legality of Kosovo’s self-declared independence.
On the municipal elections planned for Kosovo, Jeremic said the situation was "deeply regrettable" but that under the current circumstances the vote is illegitimate, the Voice of America reported.
"Unfortunately, the legitimacy of the entire electoral process has been lost by the failure to hold them within the status-neutral framework of Resolution 1244. According to the report before us, the SRSG (special representative of the U.N.secretary-general) did not call them, the OSCE will not monitor them, and the U.N. cannot certify them. Under such circumstances, it is simply impossible for us to support them," Jeremic said.
Kosovo foreign minister Skender Hyseni hit out at Serbia for its continuous support of "parallel structures" and for discouraging the Serb community from integrating the institutional life in Kosovo.
Hyseni also mentioned further recognitions of Kosovo’s independence, and Kosovo’s membership to the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.
He said that the government of Kosovo remained committed to fighting crime and corruption.
As to the local elections, Hyseni said that all necessary preparations have been made for elections to be held in a free and democratic fashion.
VOA reported that Hyseni said that the Kosovo Central Election Commission was fully responsible for organising and conducting the November 15 vote.
"Comprehensive preparations have taken place to make sure this coming municipal election is successful and in full compliance with the set standards. With over 70 political entities that have been duly certified to participate at the election, we are confident that this will be another democratic, free, fair election in the Republic of Kosovo," Hyseni said.
He said that he hoped that there would be "sizable and substantial participation" from the Kosovo-Serb community, but he said that the government was concerned that Serbia was trying to influence them not to take part.
"Regrettably, as we could hear today, there are clear indications that the government of the Republic of Serbia has been doing quite the opposite, calling on Kosovo-Serbs to boycott the elections," he said.
The sensitivity of Kosovo's growing international recognition was apparent in the council, when Russia's ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, protested the presence of Kosovar representatives at the United Nations during the September 2009 annual debate in the General Assembly, VOA said.
Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported Churkin as saying that Russia believes that calls by Albanian authorities in Kosovo to end the UN presence in the region are dangerous and unacceptable.
"No one has the right to obstruct the implementation of the UNMIK duties, including tasks of assisting in provision of the democratic standards in the region set by the international society," Churkin said.
He said that Moscow considered it unacceptable to reduce further the UNMIK presence in Kosovo.
The UN News Service reported that Zannier told the Security Council that the UN peacekeeping mission in Kosovo was "inextricably caught" between the differing perceptions of the opposing sides, which hinder its efforts to bring the majority Albanians and minority Serbian and other ethnic groups closer together.
"Actions by Pristina and Belgrade continue to be aimed at bolstering their respective legal positions before the (International Court of Justice)," Zannier said
"As a consequence our role, although aimed at promoting pragmatic solutions to existing problems, has not been an easy one to play," he said.
While Serbia expects a robust UNMIK role, Kosovo authorities believe its job is done, he said.
Zannier said that a number of Kosovo Serb community leaders south of the Ibar River had openly called for participation in the municipal elections.
"Putting status considerations aside, I believe that greater participation in Kosovo’s local structures could benefit all of Kosovo’s communities and foster development of multi-ethnic local institutions, leading to stronger protection of minority rights and encouraging returns (of displaced people)," Zannier said, calling for "pragmatism and compromise" to set up fully-functioning courts and customs points in northern Kosovo.
"Although conditions remained generally stable during this period [reporting from 1 June to 15 September] the situation in northern Kosovo remains an issue of concern, with the potential to destabilise other parts of Kosovo if not kept in check," Zannier said.
The report, in the name of UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon and presented by UNMIK chief Lamberto Zannier, said that the European Union mission in Kosovo – which unilaterally declared independence from Serbia in February 2008 – continued to be status-neutral and continued to exchange information and co-ordinate its work with UNMIK.
Covering the June 1 to September 15 2009 period, the report said that the situation in the north of Kosovo was still fragile and bore the risk of destabilising the rest of Kosovo.
Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic urged UN member states to await the outcome of the International Court of Justice proceedings on Kosovo. The court was asked by the UN General Assembly in 2008 for an opinion on the legality of Kosovo’s self-declared independence.
On the municipal elections planned for Kosovo, Jeremic said the situation was "deeply regrettable" but that under the current circumstances the vote is illegitimate, the Voice of America reported.
"Unfortunately, the legitimacy of the entire electoral process has been lost by the failure to hold them within the status-neutral framework of Resolution 1244. According to the report before us, the SRSG (special representative of the U.N.secretary-general) did not call them, the OSCE will not monitor them, and the U.N. cannot certify them. Under such circumstances, it is simply impossible for us to support them," Jeremic said.
Kosovo foreign minister Skender Hyseni hit out at Serbia for its continuous support of "parallel structures" and for discouraging the Serb community from integrating the institutional life in Kosovo.
Hyseni also mentioned further recognitions of Kosovo’s independence, and Kosovo’s membership to the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.
He said that the government of Kosovo remained committed to fighting crime and corruption.
As to the local elections, Hyseni said that all necessary preparations have been made for elections to be held in a free and democratic fashion.
VOA reported that Hyseni said that the Kosovo Central Election Commission was fully responsible for organising and conducting the November 15 vote.
"Comprehensive preparations have taken place to make sure this coming municipal election is successful and in full compliance with the set standards. With over 70 political entities that have been duly certified to participate at the election, we are confident that this will be another democratic, free, fair election in the Republic of Kosovo," Hyseni said.
He said that he hoped that there would be "sizable and substantial participation" from the Kosovo-Serb community, but he said that the government was concerned that Serbia was trying to influence them not to take part.
"Regrettably, as we could hear today, there are clear indications that the government of the Republic of Serbia has been doing quite the opposite, calling on Kosovo-Serbs to boycott the elections," he said.
The sensitivity of Kosovo's growing international recognition was apparent in the council, when Russia's ambassador to the UN, Vitaly Churkin, protested the presence of Kosovar representatives at the United Nations during the September 2009 annual debate in the General Assembly, VOA said.
Russian news agency RIA Novosti reported Churkin as saying that Russia believes that calls by Albanian authorities in Kosovo to end the UN presence in the region are dangerous and unacceptable.
"No one has the right to obstruct the implementation of the UNMIK duties, including tasks of assisting in provision of the democratic standards in the region set by the international society," Churkin said.
He said that Moscow considered it unacceptable to reduce further the UNMIK presence in Kosovo.
The UN News Service reported that Zannier told the Security Council that the UN peacekeeping mission in Kosovo was "inextricably caught" between the differing perceptions of the opposing sides, which hinder its efforts to bring the majority Albanians and minority Serbian and other ethnic groups closer together.
"Actions by Pristina and Belgrade continue to be aimed at bolstering their respective legal positions before the (International Court of Justice)," Zannier said
"As a consequence our role, although aimed at promoting pragmatic solutions to existing problems, has not been an easy one to play," he said.
While Serbia expects a robust UNMIK role, Kosovo authorities believe its job is done, he said.
Zannier said that a number of Kosovo Serb community leaders south of the Ibar River had openly called for participation in the municipal elections.
"Putting status considerations aside, I believe that greater participation in Kosovo’s local structures could benefit all of Kosovo’s communities and foster development of multi-ethnic local institutions, leading to stronger protection of minority rights and encouraging returns (of displaced people)," Zannier said, calling for "pragmatism and compromise" to set up fully-functioning courts and customs points in northern Kosovo.
"Although conditions remained generally stable during this period [reporting from 1 June to 15 September] the situation in northern Kosovo remains an issue of concern, with the potential to destabilise other parts of Kosovo if not kept in check," Zannier said.
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Dateline, How old are you?
Peggy and Tim - since you both live in the same city of Melbourne, why don't you go out together for a drink or meal ?
If you hit it off personally, the Sofia Echo can claim its first match-making prize !
Go on, don't be shy
Cupid
Tim,
Yes, Deakin has a very good atmosphere and Melbourne is cerainly the most livable city as they say.
Perhaps we should take it as a compliment that some here have to resort to such drastic measures and impersonate us. They can't do us any damage any other way.
There are some names which should be banned from ever posting here again but somehow they keep popping up. The moderators must find it hard to keep up with all the different IP addresses they use to ban them all.
I enjoyed your last line.
Thanks Peggy,
Yes, it's pretty disturbing; there's some real creeps in cyberspace with nothing better to do; no girl-friends that lot of them, I'm sure, now or ever. I doubt the editors of Sofia echo are that happy about attracting such clientele either..
<<Sad, when these people can't discredit your claims by facts and reason>>
Yes, that's exactly when they resort to "cheap tricks", to dragging people into their weird fantasies, because they've got nothing, no argument, and they want "revenge", because they take it personally that facts will always show how stupid they are.
I've made a note that "Peggy" is one of the names they've targeted. Personally I won't be logging in under my real name again, just to be safe, so ignore any future "Tim Themi" posts -- especially those with bad spelling, bad manners, and most importantly, with bad arguments!
Tell your friend s/he is still safe at Deakin, only good people go there.
We do live in one of the best cities in the world; there's no doubt about that; all the more reasons for the dregs from elsewhere to fester with resentment against us!
(BURN YOU MORONS! YOU AINT GETTING IN!!)
Best Wishes,
Tim
Tim, I know how you must feel. For a long time I have been impersonated as well. It is very frustrating when you know it's not you writing that garbage.
So many times I see my name on a post and cringe because I would never write such garbage.
Sad, when these people can't discredit your claims by facts and reason and have to resort to making you look silly by impersonating you.
People who have read my comments know my thoughts and I would hope know what I would and would not say.
I hope the same goes for you as well.
I will not fall for their cheap tricks and won't believe that you have written something which sounds insane or rude.
BTW, someone very close to me is also going to Deakin and doing International Studies with International Relations and Chinese as her major.
Dear Peggy,
Unfortunately we have been made victim of a hoax. Someone has been logging in under my name, cutting in my comments from other sites, and altering them to make them look like they are directed at you.
The one which begins "Yes, and we are hard working academics" was something I wrote in response to a poster from Greece called Vassili. Someone went cut, paste, and stuck your name at the top of it.
The one where you think you were called a "twat" was a post I wrote in response to Danielle under a different article. Someone, took her name out and put yours in it.
There was also one where they cut out all the words "FYROM slavs" and replaced it with the words "Serbian Slavs", possibly to anatagonise you.
I have complained to the moderator and asked them to assist me in taking legal action because the person who is defrauding my name in this way is also linking them to my professional qualifications - falsely I might add, because I don't have my PhD at Deakin yet, I am in the process of completing it.
I would like the moderator to remove all the posts under TIM THEMI from beheath this article, becasue none of them were mine.
They were all stolen, distorted, defrauded, and redirected at you from my comments under the FYROM article of Thu, Oct 15, which were all made in a different context and to different people.
TO THE MODERATOR - PLEASE REMOVE ALL THE POSTS LOGGED IN UNDER TIM THEMI FROM THIS SITE, PARTICULARLY THE ONES THAT REFERENCE MY PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS AND PLACE OF WORK.
I am taking this matter very seriously and once it is cleared up will no longer be logging in under my name, if at all.
Kind Regards,
Tim
Tim Themi, I replied to your comment but it has since been removed.
I can assur you that I have not stated anything inflamatory or rude so there was no reason to remove it other than it simply replies to your comment to me and does not keep on subject.
Well, your calling me a Twat is also not keeping with the subject but there you go. This is how moderators work. They don't give you any explanation as to why they remove comments. Some are obvious like Agron's but some are not.
Hope you saw it before it got removed. No need to post it again because it will be removed again.
Today's news is that the trial is degenarating into rather a farce, and the victims' representatives are extremely angry.
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Anybody got any thoughts about the current Radovan Karadzic trial at The Hague ?
Peggy -
Yes, and we are hard working academics. People taught not to eat crap. We don't claim to know everything ("pan-epistemiou"), only to have the scientific and scholarly methods worked up for two-millennia from the Ancient Greeks, to ensure our words don't refer to words alone.
Ours refer to things.
Yours refer to very fine feelings, feelings that no doubt can evoke a scholar's hidden truth.
But if education does not succeed, in that land whose every faculty was made silent by Tito except the faculty to lie - and which Milosoveic took to another level with his ability to exploit - then following NATO rejection, more NATO bombs may also fall.
If so, I won't miss a single ideologue, or a single fanatic.
The problem is that there are people there of some potential which the bombs will not miss.
Such things dropped from great heights are incapable of nuance.
Kind regards
Tim
Peggy -
My academic credentials are as follows:
http://en.scientificcommons.org/tim_themi
This is just before I become PhD at Deaking University, Melbourne.
What are your credentials (if any) ?
Kind regards
Tim Themi
George II, I was referring to political mistake not military ones.
I know how much "friendly fire" has cost the Americans who seem to have perfected it.
The English were infiltrated by the Communists in WW2. Their war room had Communist spies altering information brought back from Yugoslavia. This is a historical fact. I guess every country involved was infiltrated to some degree but this misinformation being passed onto the PM had broader consequeces. We ended up with Tito in power who as a Communist was not a likely first choice but who looked very good as a result of what information was passed and altered.
Naturally with allied backing he did achieve his results in the end.
Then for the British to allow safe passage of war criminals on the excuse that they fought against the Communists was ridiculous, while Churchill himself supported the Communists, i.e. Tito.
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Peggy - mistakes, I am afraid. Just look at what happened with the British Forced in Iraq, and now in Afghanistan (not for the first time in that benighted country - the 1841 British Expedition to Kabul ended disastrously, too.)
Most experienced senior army commanders from all sides say that "cock-ups" (the Americans say "Snafu", but it means the same), otherwise known as military blunders, cause far more military deaths and civilian collateral damage than does any planned military "offensive").
The Russians certainly said the same about their own rather more recent Afgham campaign.
In this context I am afraid that I rather believe the British Army account of events in Jugoslavija 19944/45. One cock-up succeeded another....
Looks like the British have made quite a few mistakes. I wonder if they really were mistakes or well thought out tactics.
I don't trust politicians at all. They don't believe in decendy and justice but only in what they have to gain and what the special interest groups have to gain.
All wars and ugly and brutal. The innocent from all sides are the ones who suffer the most and what is even more disturbing it's their own who kill them in order to make the other side look worse. So many lies and so much propaganda that even God himself would find it hard to work out who are the biggest monsters.
George II, I really wouldn't trust the British to tell me the truth. They would be the last people I would believe. Just look at their shameful history of expansion and imperialism. So many were and still are enslaved by this country. You can look at it any way you want and I agree that others have done dreadful things but the English speaking countries have the worst track record in more recent history when we are supposed to have become civilised and no longer throw Christians to the lions.
Look around and see that where ever there are wars, English speaking countries are involved, from British Empire conquests to now.
Peggy - the British also passed across 10,000 Slovene "Dombranci" POWs to Tito's partisans, who promptly slaughtered the lot !
So at least Britain was even-handed in making its wartime mistakes ! Win a few, lose a few....
Seems that from this particular cock-up Croatia gained and Slovenia lost....probably on subsequent British cock-ups the reverse was true.
With their current EU membership the Slovenes have rather had the last laugh....
George II,keep in mind that it was the British who allowed the Croatian Nazi criminals to cross over into Austria and then to Italy in order to escape prosecution in Yugoslavia.
This was done (according to the British) because Yugoslavia now had a Communist regime and the Croatians were fighting against them. Never mind that they commited horrible crimes.
Also never mind that it was the British who supported Tito. Churchill switched from supporting Mihailovic to Tito because he thought that the partisans were making more progress in fight against the Germans. What was not known then is that the British intelligence was infiltrated with Communist spies who altered reports to suit Tito's efforts.
Politics is ugly and full of traitors and spies.
Every war is ugly and there are many crimes committed on both sides.
Thanks, Peggy, for these - I am taking them seriously, and have passed them across to an eminent London authority for comment, which I shall relay back to you once I've got it.
By the way, it IS possible to post two links within one posting, but you have to be quite adroit with the taskbar in order to do it. (It probably helps to have a very responsive and accurate mouse, too.) I did it just now in putting both your links into one email message to my authority, but I had to take considerable care in so doing in order not to lose one of the links in the process !
Hope you are keeping well meanwhile.
Branimir here is a link to the site which links Catholic clergy to active participation in WW2.
The second link I posted details names of the Clergy themselves.
http://libcom.org/library/role-catholic-church-yugoslavias-holocaust-se-n-mac-math-na-1941-1945
George II was interested in the role of Catholic church and their active participation and my post was removed.
He might be interested in this link as well.
http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Croat_Catholic_Ustashi_clergy/
Since I can only post one link at a time I will need to post again.
Yes Branimir, I have seen his reply. I have also noticed that the modertors seem to remove comments which are in no way rude or inflamatory but let that vulgar person Agron keep posting who usually send me a little message at the end of his posts. I think you would've noticed his suggestion to me to (and he uses only initials now) pk.
I have noticed moderators remove one of my recent comments to a guy who pretends to be Greek and says how Serbs don't deserve Greek frindship. I have posted a video showing him how strong this frienship is and that was removed.
Removing George II's comment might be explained that it does not tough on the subject but most of the ones posted here divert from subject only to answer another post. It's the ones which don't answer another post and are inflamatory that need removal.
Go figure.
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to Peggy - I think George II actually posted you a pretty conciliatory reply, in which he said he would look into your serious allegations. Unfortunately, the Moderators seem to have removed it.
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George II you said this:
"Nobody should ever take themselves too seriously... (Antoine de St Exupery, French philosopher, 1900-1944"
I suggest you take your own advice here.
You haven't said anything about the Catholic priests and nuns who murdered Serbs with their own hands during WW2.
Are you ashamed of something or just trying to brush it all under the carpet?
It's funny how you are still up to your old tricks. You mention some movie which has a line about Spanish inquisition as if it had any relevance to what is being talked about here. Are you trying to divert from the topic again?
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TO Branimir here i have all your answers.
Nobody from ex-yugo is not crying after YU just serbs .
thats why it is paynfull for serbs cuz the serbs they have just slivovica and zastava militery nothing more ....slovenians croats bosnia albanians etc etc they have produce something in former YU ...serbs they had militery all over ex YU cuz they had a dream velika serbia .
Now we slovenians croats albanians bosnje macedonia we dont give damm for EX-YU just serbs they cry like baby for EX-yu...
sorry jugo its gone and with them the dream about velika serbia ,You see serbia its getting smaller and smaller everyday ..Cuz nobody like you guys ,For the moment ok you go with rusia but now you dont have to ofer rusia nothing NIS its gone ,rusian they dont want slivovica becouse they have own vodka ....
i give you just one idea pack your things (thisis just for serbs) and go back to rusia in sibirien there wher you guys came from.
Why is Hasim Tachi free? Why is Ante Gotovina free? They are proof of the on going battle by these different religious groups protecting there own as they did prior to , during and after WW2.
There must be two to tango. Serbia has released all but two that were placed on the list of accused by the Hague tribunal. Where as the other nation people who parted from Yugoslavia have in no ways matched such record. If such topics or subjects must come up, then we must look at it in an even way. Speaking of Mladic and Hadzic continously without the mention of the croat, bosniak, albanian leaders who to this day are only free because of the interests which lie within the outside factor must also be brought up and mentioned. Since there are more of them living free, who commited crimes against humanity including rape, torture, inprisonment without fair trial, organ traficking and genocide which still to this day has left 1 million serbs displaced accounting for the largest number on the balkans, then we should mention them. Right?
Has it not become boring speaking of these people? Who ever lives in Australia , USA, Germany, Britain, France what else do you expect to hear on the media? Its obvious in the current situation who these countries support and why, so you will hear negativity, and critisism of every bad move serbia make, every hooligan, every ethnic matter. But once you go over into Russia, China, Brazil, South Africa, Spain, Greece just to mention a few, we hear a different picture, another side, and those same 5 minute media reports show things which do not compare to anything on the media in the so called western society.
Lets look at France, England, Italy, Croatia. Lazio and its pro fasist hooligans, Hajduk split and its pro nazi support, the daily fights between different supporting groups in england france and italy. Yet we dont see these internationalised on the media, because obviously its not in the interest to show these minority groups as the image of these great nations, where as in Serbia , everything she does wrong is fragile for its image, is taken over board to produce more media hype which leads to mentioning Srebrenica, Kosovo, atrocities. It is made and funded with the wealth of illegal profits to gain the support of the general public so these Great men and women can do as they wish. Luckily, we have the Other side, who is willing to put up a fight, and bring to justice those who can be brough to justice.
When There is a drug chain, the ones caught are those of minimal significance to the entire chain, they are the street runners, who being scared for there own lives do not dare mention the greater names. like them, on the international scene, the albanians are those on the street, and they will not dare mention those names, and we know who they are but do not dare mention.
If anyone wishes to argue on points like Mladic and Hadzic or karadzic or Milosevic, i will be the first to debate on any topic, but to do so, you must aloow us to jump from here to there, because really it is all connected, and by just mentioning them in no way have you WON. Because i will just mention Taci, Gotovina and many others.
Well done to Jeremic and i pray to god he stays alive for a long time, because what his Great mind has to offer we have yet to see. God bless him.
According to the report before us, the SRSG (special representative of the U.N.secretary-general) did not call them, the OSCE will not monitor them, and the U.N. cannot certify them. Under such circumstances, it is simply impossible for us to support them," Jeremic said.
Comments like that, words such as those, only come from great men.
Kosovo is Serbian , Serbia is Kosovo. it will be proven once again, in the centuries that passed it was by warfare, today it will be by diplomacy, and once we have acheived this in all forms, will shall never see such attempt again.
Pray to god to forgive your enemies for the mistakes they are commiting against us because they simply dont know what they are doing. If they knew they would simply not do these things.
With faith in god, Freedom or Death. Long live serbia, its people, its diaspora, its history, language and all that comes with this Great nation who has dedicated alot for the world.
Kosovo Is Serbia
george II
Sun, Oct 18 2009 23:32 CET
"Draga Peggy:
Some points of factual inaccuracy:
(1) the Catholic Church and Islam and not quite the same thing. Ask the Pope and the Grand Mufti, and you will get the same answer in spades !"
I did not say they were the same thing. I said they committed attrocities throughout the ages. As bad as each other.
Just ask all those priests and nuns who took part in killing Serbs inside their churches during WW2. Then ask who game all these criminals safe passage to Argentina when it wasn't safe for them in the Vatican any longer.
What about the Spanish inquisition?
Again, this is not the site for this but you seem to insist on keeping the subject changed.
If you would like to give the readers of this site a laugh, please don't at my expense. It is not very gentlemently of you but then again since you agree with Agron you obviously are not much of a gentleman. Read the last line of his post and see who you are agreeing with. This indeed makes you an idiot like I said.
Yes, I do want answers to specific questions. I didn't say I want want specific answers only answers to specific questions. Do you often get confused?
Draga Peggy:
Some points of factual inaccuracy:
(1) the Catholic Church and Islam and not quite the same thing. Ask the Pope and the Grand Mufti, and you will get the same answer in spades !
(2) Your posts are so narrowly focussed as to push the respondent into only one answer (namely, the one that you want). It is quite permissible intellectually to broaden the scope so as to give a wider, more correct, answer - which of course may be precisely the one you don't want to hear (which is why you posed your question so narrowly in the first place !)
(3) The portrayal of Dame Edna Everage got a lot of laughs in the UK as it was so bloodly accurate ! So don't deny "Sofia Echo" readers the benefit of the same jokes.
(4) You still haven't answered my original question....which is precisely what you accused me of doing. As the French say, "a bon chat, bon rat". (France is that little country just south of England; you could probably lose them both in Australia's Northern Territories. )
G'day sport, and don't chunder over my brownies !
George II,
"The Catholic Church has used this technique for centuries to test nominations for sainthood, and it is a good one, tested over time. (What do the Orthodox do ?)"
For a start they haven't killed so many in order to eridicate other religions and make the Orthodox a dominant one. They have not gone on cruisades to convert and if unable to exterminate others like the Catholic church has Islam has.
But this is an argument for another forum not here.
As far as the rest of your post goes, it again goes off in so many different directions. One thing is sure about you and that is that you don't like a challenge but would rather divert from topic every time and go in circles in order to avoid discussing the topic.
Even when facts are put before you, you still go off topic especially if you don't have a good counter argument.
You present yourself my dear Epaminondas as someone with great itellect but sadly you come through as an idiot. Someone with any intelligence would not go on the attack as you do with sarcasm. You would like to portray me as Dame Edna and liken me to everything you see as cliche and worthy of a laugh from Australia. This shows exactly what you are made of. Nothing good.
Draga Peggy - in answer to your question, every good argument needs a contrary "devil's advocate / advocatus diaboli" (if you know your Latin). The Catholic Church has used this technique for centuries to test nominations for sainthood, and it is a good one, tested over time. (What do the Orthodox do ?)
So you can hardly complain if your arguments occasionally encounter a "devil's advocate" - I know Aries doesn't, as he rather appreciates the intellectual challenge. I don't object myself either, as long as my interlocutor puts forward rational arguments with well-presented facts, rather than sounding like Dame Edna Everage objecting to somebody pushing ahead of her in the queue for groceries.
As for Epaminondas, I fear that nameless assassins from Pale, Republika Srpska, finally got to him (it was foolish of him to give his visiting card to Radovan Karadzic in Warsaw back in the 1990s, much as the alternative then was a bullet in the foot from one of Karadzic's trigger-happy goons. The Hotel Europejski in Warsaw has now been closed for extensive renovations and forensic removal of awkward evidence, not suprisingly.)
Do you have a contact email address for Karadzic, by the way ?
I tried mailto:Karadzic@genocide.srpska.com but it dodn't work.
Goege II, Nobody is paying me. I am doing it for the love of my people, but you seem to spend equal amount of time here and other sites if you know that. So who is paying you? You claim not to have any Yugoslav blood in you and yet, you are here time and time again commenting on every issue. Why? I have a reason of kinship. What is yours?
BTW, where is Epaminondas?
I do feel - toute reflection faite - that Agron and Balkan Justice have rather a point. This issue should not be brushed under the carpet, especially as "war criminals" Karadzic and Mladic remain at large and will not go to the Hague for a fair trial.
Which reminds me, Peggy, who is paying YOU ? You are putting far too many hours on this and other related sited to be a volunteer.
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Bujar, Serbs are not going to let you get away with stealing their land. Kosovo was and will always be Serbian holy land.
Don't star with the same old, same old about Serbs killing you. Hell, Albanians have killed you as well. Your own people. How many K-Albanians were murdered by UCK?
It was war which you started. You kept terrorising Serbs in Kosovo for decades and then you started with killing policemen. Who the hell is going to tolerate that?
When Serbs started to fight back and started to kick your arse you cried like babies and sold your souls to US. That's why NATO bombed Serbis. They bombed Serbia in order to get control of Kosovo for themselves and install camp Bondsteel there not because of killings which happened on both sides. It had nothing to do with justice but all to do with politics and control of Kosovo.
Go and spin your crap somewhere else like "New Kosova Report" where you will not get any opposition.
Bottom line, you stole Serbian land only to reliquish control and hand it over to NATO. You are not independent by any stretch of imagination. You are will remain under NATO control until ICJ tells the world that you have broken international law and are guilty of theft amongst other atrocities.
I as an Albanian who comes from Kosovo can't accept Serbia back in here. How should we accept those who killed us and kicked us out of our homes?
Kosovo case is closed. I can't understand why Serbs keep crying over Kosovo?
In 1999 they had the chance to fight for Kosovo but they could not. Well of course they could not fight the whole world bombing their country 24/7 78 days.
BalkanJustice....Kosovo can't be intigrated back to Serbia. In Kosovo new laws are being applied every day. Kosovo now has nothing to do with Serbia.
It's been over 10 years since Serbia left Kosovo.
Again, I do not understand why Serbs as people keep crying to the world to give them back Kosovo.
It can't happen because they really killed us without any pain.
Today Serbs in Kosovo are free to go anywhere they want. Of course in the North there is alot of problems but that's not because of us in Prishtina. It's because of Belgrad supporting some criminals who milosevic took out of prison to fight the wars in whole Ex-Yugoslavia.
Go anywhere in Balkan the most hated people you find are the Serbs.
I hope and pray we have a peaceful future in Balkan.
Thanks
I believe that Kosovo's declaration of independence was premature and that continuing down the path that Serbia and Kosovo are currently on will only lead to further instability. If Serbia is serious about keeping Kosovo as part of its territory then it will need to create parliamentary structures and can respect the views of the 2 million Kosovo Albanians. The Serbian practice of treating Albanians as second class citizens and depriving them of their rights needs to stop (this should be monitored by the international community). The Serbian authorities need to understand that keeping Kosovo as part of Serbia will require drastic changes in the way that the Serbian government functions to take the Albanian's veiw-points into account and it will require a major initiative to crack down on Serbofascist hate groups.
Until Serbia arrests and extradites Mladic the international community simply can not be assured that Serbian ultranatioanlism is being challenged and controlled by the Serbian government.
Arresting Mladic and implementing further reforms on Serbia's part could open up the door to having Kosovo reintegrate into the country.