Fans with their faces painted in the colours of the Macedonia flag cheer for their team during their international friendly soccer match against Spain in Skopje, August 12 2009.
The European Commission recommended on October 14 2009 that EU accession negotiations be opened with Macedonia.
"The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia has made important progress and has substantially addressed the key accession partnership priorities. The Commission considers that the country sufficiently fulfils the political criteria set by the Copenhagen European Council in 1993 and the Stabilisation and Association Process and therefore has decided to recommend the opening of accession negotiations," the EC said in a report on the progress of would-be member states.
Macedonia was given EU candidate country status in December 2005.
The EC report’s section on political criteria said that Macedonia’s presidential and local elections of 2009 met most international standards.
"Political dialogue has improved: the governing coalition is stable, the political climate is more co-operative and the parliament is more effective. The key Accession Partnership priorities regarding the reform of the police, the judiciary, public administration and corruption have been substantially addressed," according to the EC.
The report said that the implementation of the Ohrid Framework Agreement remains an essential element of democracy and rule of law in the country.
There had been progress on implementing the law on languages, on decentralisation and equitable representation. However, further efforts in a constructive spirit are needed to fulfil the objectives of the agreement, the EC said.
The legal and institutional framework for human rights and the protection of minorities was, according to the EC, "broadly in place".
"Nevertheless, further efforts are needed to improve implementation in a number of fields."
Macedonia had generally good relations with countries in the region, but relations with Greece continued to be affected by the unresolved issue about the use of the name Macedonia.
The country is engaged in talks under the auspices of the UN on resolving this dispute.
"Maintaining good neighbourly relations, including a negotiated and mutually acceptable solution to the name issue, remains essential," the EC report said.
On economic criteria, the EC said that Macedonia continued to move closer towards becoming a functioning market economy.
"It should be able to cope with competitive pressures and market forces within the Union in the medium term, provided that it vigorously implements its reform programme in order to reduce significant structural weaknesses."
Growth decelerated and became negative in 2009 following the deterioration in the international environment. The financial sector remained reasonably stable while inflation declined markedly.
Some progress had been achieved in addressing structural unemployment and in reducing impediments to employment.
"However, the still very high unemployment, in particular among young and poorly educated, remains a major cause of concern."
The EC said that further progress had been made in improving the business environment.
"However, improvements in the administration and the rule of law are necessary to allow for smooth functioning of the market economy. Financial independence of supervisory and regulatory agencies has been strengthened. In the context of the election period and the global economic crisis, the overall economic policy mix has deteriorated. This contributed to widening of the external imbalances and an increase of the external vulnerability of the country."
On EU legal order criteria, the EC report said that Macedonia had made good progress in improving its ability to assume the obligations of membership, in particular as concerns transport, customs and taxation and justice, freedom and security .
But "less progress" had been achieved in certain other areas such as energy, the environment and employment and social policy.
Sustained efforts are needed to strengthen administrative capacity for the implementation and enforcement of legislation. In line with the relevant key priority of the Accession Partnership, commitments undertaken in the Stabilisation and Association Agreement have been implemented, the EC report said.
For those who would like to know what happened in 1992 on the subject of recognition of the Republic of Macedonia.Here is a tittle I just read."Ex Bulgarian President Spills the Beans, calls Greece shameful".Zheyu Zhelev said amongs other is as follows;"The Western neighbour should retain its name the Republic of Macedonia as it was called in the Yugoslavian Federation for a period of 50 years. Why Greece didnt raise the name issue back then during Titos rule?. Because it was afraid. Its shameful to treat this country in such a manner,"stated the former Bulgarian President in an interview published [...]
Read the full commenton the web site of BGNES news agency.Zhelev held talks with the Turkish PM and asked him to recodnise Macedonia.Within 10 days Turkey did recognise the Republic of Macedonia by the PM Suley,an Demirel.On same year,the President of Bulgaria spoke to Yeltsin on the same issue.President Teltsin was advised that Greece will be upset,his reply was "I dont care about Greece, Bulgarias position is right."Once that was accomplished,another 125 countries recognised the constitutional name of the Republic of Macedonia. Greece bribed one African country with old tanks to rescend the recognition.Greece tried to influence Phillipines,but Corazon replied "We recognise Macedonia, it is in our Bible".Greeces stand has been laughet by many governments,but Greece has no shame.I just like to make sure on this site,the comments posted as 1,it is me,Peter.
OK, Moderators, I'll re-phrase this one more briefly:
(a) Greece needs to get its act together:
# It won one round with the WIPO registration of the Star of Vergina in 1995 (cinq points).
#It only just won the NATO Accession game, but lost a lot of international goodwill in the process (nul points.)
#It let fyr Macedonia take the initiative in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) case, and to have its case heard first (Very Bad Move). (moins/minus cinq points) [...]
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Overall, Greece, Nul Points. And if the ICJ case goes to full term, and finds against Greece, moins/minus quinze points. If it finds in favour, nul points.
So Total Likely Scenario. At best, Greece / Hellas: nul points. At worst: Greece / Hellas : moins/minus quinze points. (-15).
Recommendation: Greece should get better lawyers (more study, and less histrionics of the Bakoyannis sort), and also explore WIPO more carefully, as that offers its best chance of success.
THE MUST SAYS YES ALL MEMBERS,AND GREECE IS FROM 1981.VETO TOO THE PACET STEALER,HISTORY STEALER.STOP TOO STEAL STOP THE PROPAGANT,AND THE LIES, AND THEN WELCOME TOO E.U CHOSE IS YOUR.
<<To those who pretend that Greeces government at the time of nazi occupation was not in same bed with the nazis are wrong.Greece capitulated and was turning in the ones who fought the nazis.I gave you one example of Manolis Glezos who with his friend lowered the swastica at Acropole and raised the Greek flag.The young men were jailed just to appease the nazis.Are you denying that this is the truth?Are you denying the fact that Frederica wore the swastica? Please take a hike,you do not research the facts before [...]
Read the full commentyou comment.Furthere,was it not the EAM who fought the nazis,and not the Greek government? Is it true or not the Greek government in 1946 started to imprisone the leaders of EAM as of this result ELAS was borne and the start of the revolution right up to 1949? >>
...he/she is quite right. The conflict during the Greek Civil War between the four (!) different former Greek resistance movements was severe and long-drawn-out (1946-49), but basically KKE and EAM represented one side and ELAS plus the rest the other. But I over-simplify; somebody will quite rightly rush to correct me.
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To those who pretend that Greeces government at the time of nazi occupation was not in same bed with the nazis are wrong.Greece capitulated and was turning in the ones who fought the nazis.I gave you one example of Manolis Glezos who with his friend lowered the swastica at Acropole and raised the Greek flag.The young men were jailed just to appease the nazis.Are you denying that this is the truth?Are you denying the fact that Frederica wore the swastica? Please take a hike,you do not research the facts before you comment.Furthere,was it not the EAM who fought the nazis,and [...]
Read the full commentnot the Greek government? Is it true or not the Greek government in 1946 started to imprisone the leaders of EAM as of this result ELAS was borne and the start of the revolution right up to 1949?I must tell you one thing,if you use personal attacks,the coin has two sides.
The subject on this site is "EC recommends opening EU accession negotiations with Macedonia.Why than,you people are not concentrating on the subject?Here are the reasons why Macedonia has so much problems with its neighbours and why the negotiations have not started.Greece claims that the name Macedonia belongs to them.Well,let see,Greece was given part of Macedonia in 1913.In less than a century,they now claim the name belongs to them.What about thouse Macedonians,or the majority who are living in the Republic of Macedonia,what about those who live in Bulgaria and want to be recognised as Macedonians.Greece has over a million Macedonian citizens,Greece [...]
Read the full commentdoes not recognise.Why such a fuss by Greece?They dont want to lose the Macedonian history,by the way, it is not theirs.Furthermore,they are not connected to the ancient Hellens,and the Macedonian history it serves as ancient connection for them.Why is Greece so afraid of recognising their minorities?I believe,Greece will prosper a lot more if they seriously consider this.It will bond the people that much more in a multicultural country.To the readers on this site;lets talk on the subjects and not attacking personalities for their right or wrong comments.Attacking the writers,it loses the subject matter.
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Panie Gonzales,I also went to school in Poland,so did my husband.I notice there are more racist comments on this site than on others.On the subject of history in regards to Greeces and Bulgarias claims are very off base.The facts are not historical but more of funny politics.Dont everyone agrees that all people have the right to say who or what they are.Some say,Tito made Macedonia.Well,I must dissagree because Tito was not even and for that matter his great,great parents were not born when Macedonia existed.People make such stupid comments,I dont even read all.No one can deny ones identity.You cannot even [...]
Read the full commentchange it even if you wanted to.Religion can change,but eyhnicity we are stuck with it.People must understand that.
All I know is that this alleged David bloke you think I am is old, retired, British, with some Lithuanian in him, and writes under a number of aliases.. no?
... or do you have more?
PS - does it still hurt where that scorpion stung you at the airport?
oh and are you still able to ride a motorcycle through europe old man or is that too much energy? [...]
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Do you miss speaking polish to good old peter(hide under your wife's skirt)? I think he finally hit the bucket...your turn now.
One city and no other evidence nice try.....and yet this still doesn't prove you're macedonia. Also the ancient macedonians didn't speak Slavonic but Greek.
we think you're a joke shove your hope where it don't shine
I'm not sure why they're all ganging up on "David/Gonzales" - sounds like the old story about the most unpopular person at the party being the Man Who Always Tells The Truth.
(Valeri has a good point meanwhile !) Go Meg should perhaps go and lie on one of those Aussie beaches that's about to get submerged by Global Warming...and gently float out to sea before being eaten by crocodiles......
GOnzaels is really that old pensioner, pallid pom DAVID with no friends and a quater dash of mongrel Lithuianian in his background -- which is why he's so jealous of Greeks, and of scholars, because they have a real history, and a real present!
What's wrong Davee-boy - that perennially foul English weather meant you couldn't go out and play golf with yourself again?
Takes everyone on avg three posts of useless information from you before they realise you are a liar and a bore!
Meg's right, moderators [...]
Read the full commentshould find out where he's blogging in from and block his computer..
Interpol should check his hard-drive for nasties too... creepy old man!
Oh dear you must have cobwebs in your head old man, better get the duster out. No I am not greek! When I mentioned the phrase "hide under your wife's skirt" I was CLEARLY referring to the days when Peter use to post on this site and I know you remember him unless your old age has gotten the better of you. It was his expression and he was not greek but a Slav, so I do believe it is their expression.
Once again you got it all wrong, but I will over look it due [...]
Tim, with the greatest possible respect, you have (doubtless unintentionally) posted the same link twice ! And, again with the utmost respect, you have habitually done it before.
What you need to do is to click on one link at a time, paste it where you want to, and ONLY THEN click on the next one (this will delete the preceding link and enable you to post two or more links in the same message, if you wish to.)
Put another way, the "click" function is a very simple brain and (epistemically) [...]
Read the full commentonly remembers one link at a time. (Sorry - I coulnd't resist that !)
I hope this is helpful - it is genuinely intended as such.
Meg - thanks: now that's a right give-away ! The only European language is which "hiding under a wife's skirt" is a common metaphor is Greek (probably because heroic Greek men used to do it when the local Albanians or Macedonians were getting a bit violent after a blood feud or two.)
By "blood feud" I mean of course the Albanian / Balkan "Kanun of Lek" for avenging family honour, the precursor of the International Criminal Court at The Hague. Link is:
More like a "seamless rob" they are than a "seamless robe"
The main fraudulent addition was this paragraph,
<<You people are just so dreary, do you know that? Whether FYROManians or Greeks, [...]
Read the full commentyou are so wrapped up in your little Balkan problems that you wouldn't recognise a helping hand even if it bit you. Here in Australia we take more of an epistemic World View.>>
I didn't say that anywhere. I don't think the Greeks should be so hastily lumped in with the others because they happen to be right in all their Macedonian claims -- as 350 Classics Professors from the University Sector the world over have recently attested to with a letter to Obama.
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I think it was also harsh to stick Peggy's name in at the bottom next to the invective "dickhead"; not fair to her or to me.
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Nice try David, wrong person and wrong country! I am someone who has been here much longer than peggy or tim, let's just say I have been here since the days Peter use to roam this place (hide under your wife's skirt).
Macedonia the name, the history and the culture are all Greek. Today's FYROM simply rests on what was the former Roman Province of Macedonia. In no way are there relationships between ancient Macedonians and todays FYROMians. They, the FYROMians, are slavic people who migrated to the area in 6th century A.D.
In ancient Greece (mind you there was never an actual country of Greece in ancient times), the "nations" were comprised of city-states such as Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Troy, Macedonia, Argos, etc... Macedonia was one of these city-states. They were Greek people. This is even documented [...]
Read the full commentby the very first historian, Herodotus, in his ancient text, not to mention countless others, including even the Bible. Some additional examples such as Alexander (etymologically a Greek name) the Great, he took part int he Olympic games, something only Greeks could do. His mother was Olympias. His half-sister was Thessaloniki, named after victory of the thessalians. Todays FYROMians call the city "Solun". Keep in mind the city they have their own name for is part of the reason Greece is disputing them, because they stake claim to Greek land, by using a Greek name. Imagine a stranger coming into your home, stealing your name, cops coming, he shows identification that was made up to show he was the homeowner, the cops leave. He ends up robbing the place or calling it his own. All because of a name.
Consider this example. There is the US State of Texas, the country of Mexico, the country of USA. Mexico splits in civil war or independently into different countries (republics). One new republic which borders the US State of Texas decides to take the name and name themselves as the Republic of Texas. Their logic now spreads and the people begin calling themselves ethnic Texans. After some time, the world begins to know them as ethnic Texans, when they really are Mexicans. Next step... They begin claiming all people of the US State of Texas are now a minority in the US, but that they are ethnic Texans and they should have minority rights. Remind you that they have been the real Texans all along. They take it further and begin claiming that the US State of Texas is now "occupied" land that rightfully belongs to the Republic of Texas. The US State of Texas' accent is now an official "Texas language". All US State of Texas history (think Alamo, etc...) are being rewritten as part of ethnic Texan history. Far out? I think not, this is what is going on with this issue. Substitute US state of Texas for Macedonia, the Greek province, real Macedonia. Substitute USA for Greece. Substitute the Republic of Texas for FYROM (former yugoslav republic of macedonia). This is the issue. Do a quick google search and you will find that they have rewritten history books of all ages, from elementary school to college to show Greek land as their own, including Greece's second largest city.
Macedonia was, is and always will be Greek. All FYROMians should be rightly called New Macedonians, this is a name that makes sense. This is the respect the USA showed to Mexico when naming the state, they called it New Mexico. Instead they steal Greece's identity, culture and history. Something the academic world, and albeit late, politicians have began to pick up on.
Ah - now I recogise Meg, she's Peggy in disguise, all the way from Melbourne in God's Own Country. (Maybe she knows Tim personally, as he's also from Melbourne ?) Small world on this site - everybody eventually gets to know each other, though they don't always admit it.
You're one to talk Gonzales, you have pretended be several identities such as Dr Cornelius, Dr Duck and now you are Gonzales. People his real name is David and his sole purpose here is to antagonise the greek side. Perhaps you should think twice before posting hypocritical posts because old man there will ALWAYS be someone in cyberspace who will know who you really are.
When will the moderators understand that people would play a lot nicer if they blocked Gonzales/Dr Cornelius/David? Take a hint.
Tim - noting what the Moderators have said, I am still very confused about which of the various (quite lengthy) posts below are yours, and which are not.
Your two posts, in particular, of Monday 26 October look to me like a "seamless robe" of your own style, with no obvious mark of anyone else modifying them.
That said, clearly the best thing for you to do is to follow the Moderators' suggestion and register your ID and photo on this site. That way you will be fully protected. (So would Peggy [...]
As long as "Ronald" knows I never directed any comments to him, nor mentioned anything about a "McDOnald's strategy.
And as long as "Peggy" knows I never included her in a list with the term "Dickhead" attached as an appendix, and never referred to any "impressive amount" of material of my own.
Is that why Peggy jumped over to the other site and attack me for no reason for being abusive and having an ego? Was someone setting her up?
@Tim Themi: when posting a comment, anyone can type in any username they want, there is no verification of identity and names of unregistered users should therefore not be taken as identifying a specific person.
if you want to avoid any confusion as to what comments are really yours, you can register (top of the page, under the logo) and personalise your profile, even upload a photo or other graphic file, which will then be used with every comment you post, instantly identifying your comments as yours.
Actually, the person who fraudulently entered a post here under my name "Tim Themi", at "Mon, Oct 26 2009 20:22 CET", did make some falsifications to my original comments which are more than I am comfortable with.
Please remove this post.
My concern is that it invites readers to <<find all my academic details on Google - just enter "Tim Themi">> and then has me directing the invective <<dickhead>> at some one, and I know not who or what for.
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Read the full commentFraudulently entering a post under my name, falsifying my comments, linking them with my professional qualifications, and then directing invectives from this usurped position, I consider a gross violation of my legal persons, and a matter worth taking up with my local judicial system.
Please assist me with this matter in any way you can.
I trust you will immediately remove the inappropriate comments, and thus discourage the inappropriate actions behind them.
Just another point of order about defrauding. Somebody else has logged in under my name "Tim Themi" here on <<Mon, Oct 26 2009 20:27 CET>>, and <<Mon, Oct 26 2009 20:22 CET>>, in both cases cutting and pasting a post I made under your Thur OCT 15th article, but also making some alterations..
I'm not at all asking for the post to be removed this time - or contacting you personally for details to take the matter [...]
Read the full commentup with police - because the alterations this time were not at all malicious in intent. In actual fact they were quite well done.
But still, given what "Peggy" tried previously, where she cut my post and changed words deliberately to falsify my legal persons and antagonise various ethnic groups, I do feel uneasy about people logging in under my name and making "unauthorised" alterations to my words.
To all posters - please respect academic standards of honesty and transparency and steer well clear of plagarism.
As said, even when this done without any malice, it opens the door for this tactic to those who have - and it doesn't take much to say, "Hey Ronald, this is what Tim Themi said under another article and I reckon it applies to you - and the only alteration I'd make to it is to say "this" instead of "that" etc
Also I want to make something clear to danielle who is spreading lies about the suspension of the province of Macedonia and saying it will be renamed to northern greece. The Ministry of Macedonia has NOT been suspended. Even if it was, it has nothing to do with the government of the Province and Periphery of Macedonia. There is no ministry of Attiki or Achaia but these peripheries [...]
Read the full commentand provinces still exist. The ministry of Macedonia is a cultural promotion of Greek Macedonia, it has nothing to do with the Province of Macedonia and its government. Also the periphery of Macedonia is recognised by the EU with Thessaloniki as its capital. GET OVER IT!
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<<Facts speak for themself.Just remember,Macedonians in Yugoslavja and in Greece fought againts the Nazis,The Greek and Bulgarians fought with the Nazis.Queen Frederika wore the swastica in Athens while the grandfather of the PM of the Republic of Macedonia was defending the Greek soil in 1941.He lost his life there,but Greece still does not recognise the Macedonian minority.>>
Facts in a delusional or a brainwashed mind poor girl.
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Grouios was killed on the Graeco
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people honestly im watching your conversation and i can say that most of you look like logic people.But i have a question!!This Daniele dude from which parallel dimension comes from??hahahaha!whats wrong with this people??Daniele wake up dude you are loosing it honestly!!can you understant what you write or you just write it and you dont get it???
Finally we are gouing to get a Bulgarian party in macedonia. Vreme just put it out. Now we will see how our macedonian narod will react to so many macedonians joining this new party. In Ohrid the majority of our macedonians have Bulgarian roots so this will be a good thing. Finally all these racists like danielle and the rest of her diaspora idiots can sit on the backburner and watch. This is the best news ever. As macedonians we rejoice all over macedonia finally our true history will be told not this rubbish from diaspora about ancients we are [...]
Read the full commentall Slavs here in macedonia so get over it. Especially you my darling clementine Danielle. God we even forgive you . What a beautiful life. Finally our own Bulgarian Party here in our own macedonia. Gotse Delchev is finally proud to have his bones in our land. For decades speculation about his families disappointment with the jingoisic behaviour of our conservatives was always worrying , but now our proudest Bulgarian leader will witness that our Bulgarian people will have a say in the very region we fought and died for.
Hi I wanted to tell everyone my story. My grandfather was a Jew who lived on the island of Zakynthos, Greece. During WWII when the Nazis had invaded Athens, the island was next on Hitler's list. The Greek forces on the island under the direction of the Bishop and Mayor of the island took every Jew including my grandfather and hid one Jew in each village. When the Nazis invaded the island, they demanded the Bishop and Mayor to tell them where the Jews but both refused. Because of the Greeks my people were saved.
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Read the full commentwant to send a message to danielle and to her people that your attempts to change history including WWII is insulting to the Jewish people, your treatment of the Greeks is insulting to the Jewish people. I hope you will grow up and learn a little humility and sensibility and stop your ugly propaganda.
Being a Parisian and a history expert of WWI and WWII, I am disgusted that FYROM as gone so far as to revise the history of these wars. It is clear this nation does not deserve to be in the EU. I think this nationalist fervour is pathetic and the idea that FYROM claims to be descendant from ancient Macedonia and Alexander the Great is ridiculous. However, change world war history has taken this too far....FYROM is not welcome in the EU
Well Danielle, now we are changing the history of WWII, yes you are DESPERATE. Danielle dear, sorry for being blunt but that is very stupid of you, you can anger alot of people with your revised WWII history especially the Jewish people and that my dear is not very wise.
"Everyone can recall the sentiments of admiration which the heroic defense of Greece, first against the Italians and then against the German invader, aroused throughout the civilized world."
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danielle you are a DIRTY LIAR, you are a JOKE, you have officially discredited yourself. You can try to change your own history and that of greece but to try and change the history of WWII is pathetic at best. Oh and you can tell your view of history to the Jews who who visit Greece every year during the WWII anniversary [...]
Read the full commentto thank the Greek authorities for their help during WWII....have fun with that.
"The Greek and Bulgarians fought with the Nazis.Queen Frederika wore the swastica in Athens"
Thanks Danielle for adding this comment because now you have betrayed yourself as a LIAR. It is a well known fact that the Greeks resisted the nazis and here is some of the many sources....where are yours????
Pani Danielle - to answer your specific (and interesting) question about attending university in Krakow, it really felt much the same as university in the UK, except for three things:
(a) the university administration kept a much closer record of which students attended which lectures (this was actually rather a Good Thing, as UK universities have been tradtionally rather negligent here.)
(b) politically, it was completely free in Krakow to SAY what you thought - and people did - but you couldn't publish or print anything without prior approval from the Communist [...]
Read the full commentauthorities. That said, these authorities were not too difficult, as long as you kept off two subjects: (1) the "Great Neighbour / Wielki Sasiad", i.e. the USSR, and (2) Katyn and the 1940 masscre there by the USSR of thousands of Polish intellectuals. In contrast, anything to do with the Germans was fair game, and EVERYBODY wanted to spend a few months in the UK.
(c) accomodation was very sparse and cramped - either in a "Dom Studencki" student hostel (as I was) or else in people's small apartments. But this was a function of Poland as a whole at the time - rebuilding after wartime devastation was far from complete. It's much better now.
Hope this is helpful - Dr Cornelius, as I recall, spent his time at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, studing Vampirology and the Occult. It shows sometimes....
Panie Gonzales,Grecy nigdy nie pzyznaja ze Macedonia nie jest Grecka.Today in Greece,the PM papandreou did suspend the Macedonia-Thrace ministries.I feel great.Papandreou feels it is better to go back to "Northern Greece"as before 1989.This is a fact.Dr.Cornelius,the Republic of Macedonia is not a commie State.Though, comments that misrepresent States and people like yours are not very smart with your education,and have traveled in Europe.In order to find out about a population,you must visit those areas and speak to them,not the governmental institutions.You did attend University in Krakow,did you find it more attractive education than most western countries?Remember,durring your stay in Poland,Poland [...]
Read the full commentwas communist.Fay,no desperation at all.Facts speak for themself.Just remember,Macedonians in Yugoslavja and in Greece fought againts the Nazis,The Greek and Bulgarians fought with the Nazis.Queen Frederika wore the swastica in Athens while the grandfather of the PM of the Republic of Macedonia was defending the Greek soil in 1941.He lost his life there,but Greece still does not recognise the Macedonian minority.
Good luck with your "Mc Donalds strategy". If you scroll down, you'll find there was plenty of that from me to start with - but that you can't reason with science-hating, nationalist fanatatics!
In my opinion, if you are an extremist lefty, then in terms of values you are no more Greek than any other superstitious moral fanatic from St. Paul to Mao, Stalin and Tito.
Neither you, nor any mere politician, can ever be said to represent the entirety of the "Greek point of view", [...]
Read the full commentas you put it, a priori, unless you can prove that your view is "true".
"Aggression" is a natural response by a civilised, cultured intelligent man to a barbarous stupidity. If you think it is "sin" a priori, then you belong with all those morbidly-depressed "orthodox" Christian Monks of Mt. Athos - a place which has basically been known to be a funny farm of a construction for centuries now, and which often shares the same utopian, idealist, pie-piper morality of many extreme leftists, which never works, which is why you all end up more murderously aggressive than anyone else who is more self-honest.
But mate, English is obviously not your preferred language, which is fair enough, and as is evidenced by your,
"you are Greek, therefore systematically too proud, stupid",
Huh?
But you should at least be able to cut and paste my own English without falsifying it so profoundly!
I am gonna tune back in tomorrow, and see how well YOU do arguing with a bunch of obsessional, epistemically challenged nationalist fanatics with a borderline paranoid psychotic psychotic structure..
I remain to be convinced that you have the better strategy; but will gladly give full credit for any positive results.
And remember, no points from me for any my kind of milk-sop, Mummy's boy, Mother Teressa, floppy tit softness towards the pretend "macedonian" slavs of FYROM - for it was only such softist, bullshit idealism that gave those village idiots the inch that enabled them to take a completely undeserved country mile in the first place!
Trust me. They are all loving you at the moment. But for the wrong reason.
If you don't lift you game, we, not only real Greeks, but sane, rational, scientifically astute and sensibly ethical individuals of all races and nations are gonna send you and your lefty fairies back to Siberia!
Yes, Freddy got Friedrich Fingered Pausaniaski "demonstrates his ignorance" by quoting from non scholarly, non-academic, non-peer-review websites, and still not getting it right, because he only reads the headings before his little pin-sized brain gets too over-extended.
You people are just so dreary, do you know that ? Whether FYROManians or Greeks, you are so wrapped up in your little Balkan problems that you wouldn't recognise a helping hand even if it bit you. Here in Australia we take more of an epistemic World View.
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Read the full commentDon't crap on about minor trivialities about a world you've got no knowledge about -
Read the first paragraph at least of what you are trying to plagiarize completely out of context you belligerent chronic fraudulent -
A.J Ayer - like B. Russell - is a "logical positivist", a "logical empiricist" - precisely the opposite to those pseudo-romantic "truth relativism" and "historical revisionism" perversions of yours that you've tried to bring them in as support for.
Dickhead!
That's why, as I said from the start, you think that Holland can name their airport "Napolean Airport", and that Cuba can change its name to "The Real Florida".
Because you are relativist - you've got no way of telling fiction from fact!
And that's the only reason why you still think that Alexander the Golden Greek Great can somehow be a Slav or a Hittite!
(Still waiting for evidence that you have, as you earlier claimed, as PhD from Oxford in History - my academic credentials are all on the public record which is why I can speak in my own name, my one true name, and which is why you can't seriously contest it!) You can find all my academic details on Google - just enter "Tim Themi" and see the impressive amount of material that comes out. More than you or Peggy can do, dickhead.
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Well, Margaret, I would personally rather spell it "Aleksander Velikiy", or in my native tongue "Aleksander Wielki", but I gather the Greeks understandably like to have the name in Greek. In which, by the way, the adjective can either precede or follow the noun, as it does in most European languages except English and Hungarian.
Look who's talking David/gonzales...you can't even spell correctly in other languages.
Alexandros Megalos is incorrect
Megas Alexandros or Megalos Alexandros
But then again, you Brits are known in Europe for your poor language skills
But do you see anyone here complaining? NO. Why? Because you sound like an old granny when you complain about other people's spelling. Even Einstein misspelled words and he may friend came up with the law of energy amongst other things....what have you done in your life time david in [...]
Gonzales who is really David, you must think that everyone here is an idiot not to have figured out you are the one and only David because only DAVID thinks it amusing and clever to insult other people's spelling.
Dear David, if for one moment you thought insulting people's spelling makes you attractive or witty then let me burst your bubble and inform you that it makes you look and sound fruity and poofy AND very unmasculine to say the least.
Please save yourself any further embarrassment because until you stop fooling [...]
Read the full commentyourself, we will go along with the rest of the world and take you as rubbish as anyone in your prime age is.
Why is FYROMGruevski didnt report to work today. He was supposed to dress as the McD's clown for the UMD. A clown leading a bunch of greedy puppets? Sounds like FYROM to me. They realized they look funny so they choose the Grek identity of Macedonia. Little did they know they would get served. Bet you guys thought you had it easy huh - Stealing an identity, name and history? lol, funny lil fyromian fools.
Sorry - Danielle - I forgot how long it takes to change a website even in Germany, let alone in Greece ! (Who do you have to bribe to get things done quickly in Athens ?)
When Germany gives back confiscated Nazi property to the Nazis then the Hellenic Republic should consider giving back confiscated to Communist Slavs (Skopjans) who committed unspeakable atrocities in Greece
Well Danielle, it appears your government-run news source MINA got its sources "mixed" up as it appears the ministry is still up and running:
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Also on the EU website, Macedonia is still a province of Greece, the biggest one with Thessaloniki as its capital which is recognised by the EU:
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"The thought of giving us our consficated properties and our citizenship"
- Greece has already dealt with the communists after they lost the battle. All Greek communists were [...]
Read the full commenthunted down and taken to an island where they were severely tortured for their crimes of war and genocide. The Slav communists were sparred this fate by making a deal that they would never come back on the punishment of death. Sorry no property for you (like it ever existed), you sealed your fate when you showed the greeks your true face and commited war crimes against greek citizens.
The only property exchange that will be happening with you is with the Albanians....good luck with that.
David/Dr Cornelius dear you need to get a life. You have been on this site for at least 3 years antagonising the greeks and pretending to be a supporter to the Bulgarians with a serious identity issue. The last time I checked communist slavs were enemies of Great Britain let alone ones who greeted the NAZIs with joy when they entered Skopje.
And Danielle dear, you and the rest of the slav diaspora are confused little boys who when they grew up had a sex change. And just like those boys who had a sex change [...]
Read the full commentonly to discover they will never truly be a woman, you will never be a macedonian but a Bulgarian.
Danielle and David/Dr Cornelius/George II......you wish!
and no the ministry was not suspended but absurd propaganda from your government. Funny how how the ministry of Macedonia is still functioning and maintaining law and order in the Province of Macedonia
oh and David, good for you to sticking to a side even though it is a losing side...you got to love the albanians and their tactics. Oh and say hi to the Queen while you're at it.
Finaly,Greece decided to go back to pre-1989 and suspend the so-called Macedonia and Thrace administations.What does this mean? it means that the Greek PM Papandreou is more pragmatist than Karamanlis.Mr.Papandreou,recognise the Macedonian minority in Greece and recognise the constitutional name of the Republic of Macedonia.This will help both countries in economy,social and cultural opportunities.The thought of giving us our consficated properties and our citizenship is a wonderfull idea,thank you.
"Ronold" - your spelling is slipping. Of course I'm familiar with Pantone colours; anyone who has used a professional airbrush is.
Meanwhile, no evidence that Macedonia wants to use the Fallen Arches of McDonalds for any purpose other than probably erecting a public convenience.
By the way, the spread of English throughout the world was probably encouraged more by the British Empire and its Dominions such as Australia and Canada, than by any influence of the US. Similarly Spanish in Latin America was propagated more by Spain than by Mexico (with the [...]
I am not really sure of the point you were originally trying to make, except possibly to indicate to Burger King that Macedonia might be a useful territory for expansion !
You are wrong once again Gonzales or Cornelius Van Helsing or George II. Maybe in your "UK" it is spelled as colour, but in the USA it is color. Sure it may be an "English" language, by name. But it is around today because of America.
Secondly, colors cannot be trademarked alone, but they are recognized as part of a logo or symbol in any trademark application filing in color worldwide. These are known as Pantone colors which are used universally throughout the world.
Lastly, your method of color matching is one [...]
Read the full commentof the poorest examples yet. Color varies according to screen settings (brightness, contrast, etc.), output settings (cmyk, rgb, etc.), designer color palettes (rgb, hex, pantone, etc.). So your method is just impossible to use to match.
If you take the pantone colors of the Spanish, McDonalds, and FYROMs flag, the FYROMian flag matches best. This is a fact. Check your own facts if you want to sound like a know-it-all next time.
Besides, what are you complaining about? By compairing yourselves to McDonalds, you can take your identity serious, as an entity, not to be confused with ethnicity.
as an afterthought, not even the most impoverished and corrupt country in the world (out of 172 of them) would wish to want to claim McDonalds as their own !
That said, on second thoughts, it is just possible that the the dictators ruling Burkina Fasso or Comoros might have ideas in that direction, but I imagine that McD headquarters in USA would head
them off fairly easily.
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Read the full commentto make millions of zlotys. Two years later the outlet had failed and closed its doors, as Cracovian Poles had far too much good taste than to patronise the "Fallen Arches".....
Ronald - firstly, the word is spelled "color" in Spanish, "couleur" in French, and "colour" in English. Don't post if you cannot spell properly.
Secondly, what McDonalds have protected under WIPO Intellectual Property law is the "twin arches" trademark, not the colours (it is not possible under WIPO rules to copyright a colour or a colour combination).
Thirdly, if you have ever been to Spain and seen the national flag, the colours used are the same as the Macedonian ones (download both flags from Google on a computer with a reasonably good [...]
Actually, the colors are not even close. Do your own research George II, Gonzales, Van Helsing, etc. They more closely resemble McDonalds than they do the Spaniards' colors. But its not so much the colors as it is them stealing wanting to claim McDonalds as FYROMian.
Guardarse de la Inquisicion Espanol ! (Beware the Spanisn Inquisition, which you never expect. The colours you claim are Spain's national colours, dating back to before McDonalds was even an idea in some American head.)
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McDonalds is being a bit unfair to the Macedonian flag - it is not the world's prettiest, and a bit too reminiscent of the Japanese Rising Sun, but it's their flag and they like it.
If push comes to shove, the present light blue/white striped Greek flag looks rather like a hospital gown in a hospital ward for geriatrics....
The best local flag in terms of Immediate Visual Impact is the all-red flag with white crescent of Turkey.....looks great when hoisted on the back of boats or gulets !
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George II stresses the Lisbon Treaty all too often, whats funny is that this is as much of a crock as your pseudo-nations 2013 wish of Thessaloniki to be FYROMs. You wont ever admit it, as your master puppet Gruevski, but the pressure is now on FYROM, not Greece. No compromise, no EU.
Funny how your posts prior to the NATO veto were the same (now removed). You researched and stressed one little technicality, but in the end, FYROM IS NOT IN NATO. So keep dreaming. One nation's veto is their right, and you cant change [...]
Read the full commentthis. But what you can change is by posting your B.S. and making people think you actually know what you are talking about. Bottomline, I would love to see yor face when Greece vetos FYROM for EU. All this not because you want a name and identity that clearly doesnt belong to you, but because you think that you can change history to benefit you. FYI- I am not Greek. I used to side with FYROM when it was only about the name, but since they commissioned bloggers (much like yourself) to try and spread rumors about Greece and rewrite its history for its own benefit, well you have converted many. Just visit NYC and you may just get a hint of how many have been converted once they find the truth out.
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FYROMs flag looks like a McDonalds advertisement gone mad. Wait, isnt Gruevski Ronald McDonald? That explains everything. I think also the FYROMians wanted the name McDonalds, not Macedonia. McDonalds Corporation, look out. You are next as the FYROMians will lay claim to all your land, employees and indentity. They just dont know what to do next, so they will call themselved McDonaldonians.
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From the sources I have, Greece will exercize its veto. Except if they reach a compromise with FYROM for the name, but I doubt it, since the period till the EU december's decision is way too short for negociations.
Macedonia in in EU since 1981 first of all!!!Show how can you Veto your own self??
Now if we talk about Fyrom,probably this is the best way for this people to understant where they stant in this whole situation.For examble,in NATO,Bush told them we will bring you to NATO and Greece wont do anything.Well we still wait you poor little country in our company but it seems that uncleBush lied!!And ofcourse i dont have to mention,that in reallity the only people who acutally EVER said the world Veto was Greece and Fyrom.The other countrys said that [...]
Read the full commentall the member agreed with one voice with the position of Greece.Imagine even Turkey didnt said anything!!!
In Eu things are even worst!Now we have a Socialist goverment,Papandreou is great man,he was serving in the Ministry of Foreign and he knows what to do!!We ALL support him,as we did with Karamanlis in our national issues we are one pounch! 95% of Greeks agree on a Veto and you should expect it 100%!!Not only we will keep Fyrom outside EU but we will make sure that we wont even will have to start the negotiations.This was coming and its logical.I mena its the only country in the history of EU that was waiting 5 years to start talking about when the negotiations will start so there will be a decision about when and IF they will enter finally!!Can you beleive this?I beleive that in 3 years from now Serbia will join,and ofcourse Croatia.Probably Albania too.papadreou declared his wish all the western balkans to be part till 2014 and he will go after it!!Trust me you are not part of it!!Its more safe and sure to say that Turkey will join than Fyrom!!I dont know what your politics are saying to you people for this matter but as a simply citizen and with the few i know i can asure you that the grandchildren of the todays 30 year old people of Fyrom will be in the best case the first people in Fyrom who will be part of the European familly(and only in the case that the Albanians will shit down and wait...)!!A recommedndation is not an accession put it good in your brains cause the second Veto is coming soon!
Smoking - the machinations of Brussels (and Luxembourg) are a bit more complex than you make out, and a "veto" will be a great deal more difficult than hitherto.
(Also, though this was not part of the original discussion, the behaviour of Vaclav Klaus will have concentrated the minds of many member-states about eradicating the power of single-nation "veto" even further. )
Worth remembering that the Polish Parliament ("Sejm") had the power of individual veto ("Liberum Veto") by any Polish MP, up until 1792 with the final Partition of Poland between Prussia, [...]
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Educated Central Europeans still remember this moral rather well, though I am not sure that Polish history is taught in Athens.
"Yeah right, and why from Bulgaria would that veto be possible? "
Lets see:
violating the rights of the Bulgarian nationals living in FYROM, having territorial aspiration on Bulgarian land (very Yugoslav style) with the Pirin region - all that sounds like a veto to me....
George II, dont hold your breath on that one buddy. What Olig said was true. For enlargement, it MUST be a unanimous acceptance, not majority, for accession by all 27 EU member states. Not to mention, it probably wont only be one veto. FYROM is looking at 3 potential vetoes, possibly 4. Greece, Bulgaria, Cyprus and France. Remember, you cant join the club if the members dont want you. Remember this come time when talks are closing. As Olig points out, Greece knew about this report. The report even states that if no resolution, accession cannot be had. It is [...]
Read the full commenta prerequisite by making it into the report alone. This I'm sur eyou must have overlooked though. If in the report, it is required. If not, not required. Greek politicians reported this weeks ago. They fought to get this in the report. From there on in, keep holding your own breath.
Olig - don't hold your breath on the Greek "veto". Just look at the Lisbon Treaty and the extension of Qualified Majority voting that it contains......Greece (or any other single Member State) can be overruled on a variety of issues.
Yeah right, and why from Bulgaria would that veto be possible?
What in the world have we got wrong with Bulgaria?
Greeks are only slowing us down, if we didn't had their problem with our name, we would have been a long time ago in EU, and more economically stronger then Bulgaria too.
A recommendation does not mean accession. A veto, which Greece still holds the right, is always a possibility. Expect this if the dispute is not resolved. For the dispute to be included in the report states that Greece was behind this as well, with the intention of resolving the dispute. Now's the time FYROM. Decide for your future, but dont think that Europe has turned their heads on Greece, one member veto is all thts needed. You probably are facing two, from Bulgaria as well.
European Union representatives are urging Skopje to use the current ‘positive atmosphere’ to achieve a compromise with Athens about the use of the name Macedonia, and oppose Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski’s plan to hold a referendum on the question, media reports say.
There can be little doubt that European Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn was correct to say that for countries in South Eastern Europe, the prospect of becoming eligible for negotiating membership of the EU has been a substantial motivation to reform.
The European Commission’s report recommending the opening of EU accession negotiations with Skopje sparked cheering in Macedonia, but there are few signs that the name issue will be any easier than before.
Dealing with Greece’s economic crisis is his first priority, but there are hopes that George Papandreou will achieve some new beginnings in foreign policy
EU chiefs to brief European Parliament on September 16 2009 on plans to exempt Macedonia, Montenegro and Serbia from Schengen visa requirements; final decision expected in November.
Greece needs the aid package from the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund in order to avoid defaulting on $19 billion in bond payments due in March.
For those who would like to know what happened in 1992 on the subject of recognition of the Republic of Macedonia.Here is a tittle I just read."Ex Bulgarian President Spills the Beans, calls Greece shameful".Zheyu Zhelev said amongs other is as follows;"The Western neighbour should retain its name the Republic of Macedonia as it was called in the Yugoslavian Federation for a period of 50 years. Why Greece didnt raise the name issue back then during Titos rule?. Because it was afraid. Its shameful to treat this country in such a manner,"stated the former Bulgarian President in an interview published [...]
Read the full comment on the web site of BGNES news agency.Zhelev held talks with the Turkish PM and asked him to recodnise Macedonia.Within 10 days Turkey did recognise the Republic of Macedonia by the PM Suley,an Demirel.On same year,the President of Bulgaria spoke to Yeltsin on the same issue.President Teltsin was advised that Greece will be upset,his reply was "I dont care about Greece, Bulgarias position is right."Once that was accomplished,another 125 countries recognised the constitutional name of the Republic of Macedonia. Greece bribed one African country with old tanks to rescend the recognition.Greece tried to influence Phillipines,but Corazon replied "We recognise Macedonia, it is in our Bible".Greeces stand has been laughet by many governments,but Greece has no shame.I just like to make sure on this site,the comments posted as 1,it is me,Peter.
nice foto fyromanian tra-la-la.
With great respect, Periclis, you're writing gibberish.
Parakalo Elleniko graphein. Ili po Bulgarsko....
macedonia means some thing on greec languits,if you are from greece you now,if you are from monceydonia of corse you dont now.
Dhen katalavano - Periclis, what on earth do you mean ? (Try getting an English-speaking friend to help you).
the realy macedonian now,what means macedonia,agess you are fyromanian.
Well Periclis, you certainly have learned the Question Mark (????).
But I am much less certain about What Is Your Question ?
the fyromanian realy now whatt means macedonia????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????
A little lesson on punctuation to Macedonia Olways Greek (sic) - the question mark in English is NOT ;;;;;;. It is ??????????.
If you use ;;;; as a question mark in an English text, nobody will know what on earth you mean.
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OK, Moderators, I'll re-phrase this one more briefly:
(a) Greece needs to get its act together:
# It won one round with the WIPO registration of the Star of Vergina in 1995 (cinq points).
#It only just won the NATO Accession game, but lost a lot of international goodwill in the process (nul points.)
#It let fyr Macedonia take the initiative in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) case, and to have its case heard first (Very Bad Move). (moins/minus cinq points)
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Overall, Greece, Nul Points. And if the ICJ case goes to full term, and finds against Greece, moins/minus quinze points. If it finds in favour, nul points.
So Total Likely Scenario. At best, Greece / Hellas: nul points. At worst: Greece / Hellas : moins/minus quinze points. (-15).
Recommendation: Greece should get better lawyers (more study, and less histrionics of the Bakoyannis sort), and also explore WIPO more carefully, as that offers its best chance of success.
THE MUST SAYS YES ALL MEMBERS,AND GREECE IS FROM 1981.VETO TOO THE PACET STEALER,HISTORY STEALER.STOP TOO STEAL STOP THE PROPAGANT,AND THE LIES, AND THEN WELCOME TOO E.U CHOSE IS YOUR.
I afraid that when <<1>> says:
<<To those who pretend that Greeces government at the time of nazi occupation was not in same bed with the nazis are wrong.Greece capitulated and was turning in the ones who fought the nazis.I gave you one example of Manolis Glezos who with his friend lowered the swastica at Acropole and raised the Greek flag.The young men were jailed just to appease the nazis.Are you denying that this is the truth?Are you denying the fact that Frederica wore the swastica? Please take a hike,you do not research the facts before [...]
Read the full comment you comment.Furthere,was it not the EAM who fought the nazis,and not the Greek government? Is it true or not the Greek government in 1946 started to imprisone the leaders of EAM as of this result ELAS was borne and the start of the revolution right up to 1949? >>
...he/she is quite right. The conflict during the Greek Civil War between the four (!) different former Greek resistance movements was severe and long-drawn-out (1946-49), but basically KKE and EAM represented one side and ELAS plus the rest the other. But I over-simplify; somebody will quite rightly rush to correct me.
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To those who pretend that Greeces government at the time of nazi occupation was not in same bed with the nazis are wrong.Greece capitulated and was turning in the ones who fought the nazis.I gave you one example of Manolis Glezos who with his friend lowered the swastica at Acropole and raised the Greek flag.The young men were jailed just to appease the nazis.Are you denying that this is the truth?Are you denying the fact that Frederica wore the swastica? Please take a hike,you do not research the facts before you comment.Furthere,was it not the EAM who fought the nazis,and [...]
Read the full comment not the Greek government? Is it true or not the Greek government in 1946 started to imprisone the leaders of EAM as of this result ELAS was borne and the start of the revolution right up to 1949?I must tell you one thing,if you use personal attacks,the coin has two sides.
The subject on this site is "EC recommends opening EU accession negotiations with Macedonia.Why than,you people are not concentrating on the subject?Here are the reasons why Macedonia has so much problems with its neighbours and why the negotiations have not started.Greece claims that the name Macedonia belongs to them.Well,let see,Greece was given part of Macedonia in 1913.In less than a century,they now claim the name belongs to them.What about thouse Macedonians,or the majority who are living in the Republic of Macedonia,what about those who live in Bulgaria and want to be recognised as Macedonians.Greece has over a million Macedonian citizens,Greece [...]
Read the full comment does not recognise.Why such a fuss by Greece?They dont want to lose the Macedonian history,by the way, it is not theirs.Furthermore,they are not connected to the ancient Hellens,and the Macedonian history it serves as ancient connection for them.Why is Greece so afraid of recognising their minorities?I believe,Greece will prosper a lot more if they seriously consider this.It will bond the people that much more in a multicultural country.To the readers on this site;lets talk on the subjects and not attacking personalities for their right or wrong comments.Attacking the writers,it loses the subject matter.
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Panie Gonzales,I also went to school in Poland,so did my husband.I notice there are more racist comments on this site than on others.On the subject of history in regards to Greeces and Bulgarias claims are very off base.The facts are not historical but more of funny politics.Dont everyone agrees that all people have the right to say who or what they are.Some say,Tito made Macedonia.Well,I must dissagree because Tito was not even and for that matter his great,great parents were not born when Macedonia existed.People make such stupid comments,I dont even read all.No one can deny ones identity.You cannot even [...]
Read the full comment change it even if you wanted to.Religion can change,but eyhnicity we are stuck with it.People must understand that.
Ahhh, Athena, Cleopatra, real women, the eternal feminine with a bite, a twist -- the tigers claw in the velvet glove...
how about you Janet?
Do you just whinge about others, or can you give a positive account of what's so good about you?
Come on now david, isn't going under the name of a greek goddess a little poofy let alone cleopatra?
Not much of a profile yet,
All I know is that this alleged David bloke you think I am is old, retired, British, with some Lithuanian in him, and writes under a number of aliases.. no?
... or do you have more?
PS - does it still hurt where that scorpion stung you at the airport?
oh and are you still able to ride a motorcycle through europe old man or is that too much energy?
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Do you miss speaking polish to good old peter(hide under your wife's skirt)? I think he finally hit the bucket...your turn now.
PS - does it still hurt where that scorpion stung you at the airport?
oh and are you still able to ride a motorcycle through europe old man or is that too much energy?
Do you miss speaking polish to good old peter(hide under your wife's skirt)? I think he finally hit the bucket...your turn now.
Every time you post something you give yourself away through your writing style....again you just gave yourself away.
Moderators PLEASE block David/Athena/gonzales
How do you know I am David?
What do you know about this David character?
And how do you know that you know?
(Cf., Athena)
Sorry David/Athena, but Athena was the goddess of Wisdom and Strategy not truth.
Moderators when will you take a hint and block David/Athena/gonzales?
Now listen "Aries", you are the God of War, and I am that of "truth".
Don't meddle in my affairs.
We'll call you when we need someone thwacked!
And if you don't behave, I'll thwack you myself!
(cf., Homer, The Iliad)
One city and no other evidence nice try.....and yet this still doesn't prove you're macedonia. Also the ancient macedonians didn't speak Slavonic but Greek.
we think you're a joke shove your hope where it don't shine
Ancient capital of Paionia in Alexander's time was called "Byla Zora"
"Byla Zora" (or "Bela Zora") is exact name for "white dawn" in Slavonic languages.
Therefore Paionia spoke Slavonic.
The Great Greek Conspiracy is to suppress this....
I'm not sure why they're all ganging up on "David/Gonzales" - sounds like the old story about the most unpopular person at the party being the Man Who Always Tells The Truth.
Also to block David/"Cleopatra", David/"Tito", same creep, still going beneath other Sofia Echo articles..
Moderators we wish you block David/gonzales
Sure thing David, will you buy me a ticket to Australia? Here's ANOTHER hint, I'm not from a commonwealth country....again nice try.
Moderators please block David/gonzales
(Valeri has a good point meanwhile !) Go Meg should perhaps go and lie on one of those Aussie beaches that's about to get submerged by Global Warming...and gently float out to sea before being eaten by crocodiles......
GOnzaels is really that old pensioner, pallid pom DAVID with no friends and a quater dash of mongrel Lithuianian in his background -- which is why he's so jealous of Greeks, and of scholars, because they have a real history, and a real present!
What's wrong Davee-boy - that perennially foul English weather meant you couldn't go out and play golf with yourself again?
Takes everyone on avg three posts of useless information from you before they realise you are a liar and a bore!
Meg's right, moderators [...]
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Interpol should check his hard-drive for nasties too... creepy old man!
Oh dear you must have cobwebs in your head old man, better get the duster out. No I am not greek! When I mentioned the phrase "hide under your wife's skirt" I was CLEARLY referring to the days when Peter use to post on this site and I know you remember him unless your old age has gotten the better of you. It was his expression and he was not greek but a Slav, so I do believe it is their expression.
Once again you got it all wrong, but I will over look it due [...]
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Tim, with the greatest possible respect, you have (doubtless unintentionally) posted the same link twice ! And, again with the utmost respect, you have habitually done it before.
What you need to do is to click on one link at a time, paste it where you want to, and ONLY THEN click on the next one (this will delete the preceding link and enable you to post two or more links in the same message, if you wish to.)
Put another way, the "click" function is a very simple brain and (epistemically) [...]
Read the full comment only remembers one link at a time. (Sorry - I coulnd't resist that !)
I hope this is helpful - it is genuinely intended as such.
Meg - thanks: now that's a right give-away ! The only European language is which "hiding under a wife's skirt" is a common metaphor is Greek (probably because heroic Greek men used to do it when the local Albanians or Macedonians were getting a bit violent after a blood feud or two.)
By "blood feud" I mean of course the Albanian / Balkan "Kanun of Lek" for avenging family honour, the precursor of the International Criminal Court at The Hague. Link is:
http://www.imir-bg.org/imir/reports/The_Kanun.pdf
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In short, you must be Greek (unless of course you have Albanian blood too.)
Rruga grumbullimit
Gonzales - the only posts which are mine on this page are the two directed To The Moderator.
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The other posts under "Tim Themi" are fakes. They have been cut and altered from my comments under the Thurs Oct 15th FYROM article
http://sofiaecho.com/2009/10/15/800292_solving-the
More like a "seamless rob" they are than a "seamless robe"
The main fraudulent addition was this paragraph,
<<You people are just so dreary, do you know that? Whether FYROManians or Greeks, [...]
Read the full comment you are so wrapped up in your little Balkan problems that you wouldn't recognise a helping hand even if it bit you. Here in Australia we take more of an epistemic World View.>>
I didn't say that anywhere. I don't think the Greeks should be so hastily lumped in with the others because they happen to be right in all their Macedonian claims -- as 350 Classics Professors from the University Sector the world over have recently attested to with a letter to Obama.
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I think it was also harsh to stick Peggy's name in at the bottom next to the invective "dickhead"; not fair to her or to me.
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Oh am just glad that Bulgaria provides web sites for the Greek, Makedonians, Albanians and the Serbs to attack each other.
LOL;)
Nice try David, wrong person and wrong country! I am someone who has been here much longer than peggy or tim, let's just say I have been here since the days Peter use to roam this place (hide under your wife's skirt).
nice try though lol
Macedonia the name, the history and the culture are all Greek. Today's FYROM simply rests on what was the former Roman Province of Macedonia. In no way are there relationships between ancient Macedonians and todays FYROMians. They, the FYROMians, are slavic people who migrated to the area in 6th century A.D.
In ancient Greece (mind you there was never an actual country of Greece in ancient times), the "nations" were comprised of city-states such as Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Troy, Macedonia, Argos, etc... Macedonia was one of these city-states. They were Greek people. This is even documented [...]
Read the full comment by the very first historian, Herodotus, in his ancient text, not to mention countless others, including even the Bible. Some additional examples such as Alexander (etymologically a Greek name) the Great, he took part int he Olympic games, something only Greeks could do. His mother was Olympias. His half-sister was Thessaloniki, named after victory of the thessalians. Todays FYROMians call the city "Solun". Keep in mind the city they have their own name for is part of the reason Greece is disputing them, because they stake claim to Greek land, by using a Greek name. Imagine a stranger coming into your home, stealing your name, cops coming, he shows identification that was made up to show he was the homeowner, the cops leave. He ends up robbing the place or calling it his own. All because of a name.
Consider this example. There is the US State of Texas, the country of Mexico, the country of USA. Mexico splits in civil war or independently into different countries (republics). One new republic which borders the US State of Texas decides to take the name and name themselves as the Republic of Texas. Their logic now spreads and the people begin calling themselves ethnic Texans. After some time, the world begins to know them as ethnic Texans, when they really are Mexicans. Next step... They begin claiming all people of the US State of Texas are now a minority in the US, but that they are ethnic Texans and they should have minority rights. Remind you that they have been the real Texans all along. They take it further and begin claiming that the US State of Texas is now "occupied" land that rightfully belongs to the Republic of Texas. The US State of Texas' accent is now an official "Texas language". All US State of Texas history (think Alamo, etc...) are being rewritten as part of ethnic Texan history. Far out? I think not, this is what is going on with this issue. Substitute US state of Texas for Macedonia, the Greek province, real Macedonia. Substitute USA for Greece. Substitute the Republic of Texas for FYROM (former yugoslav republic of macedonia). This is the issue. Do a quick google search and you will find that they have rewritten history books of all ages, from elementary school to college to show Greek land as their own, including Greece's second largest city.
Macedonia was, is and always will be Greek. All FYROMians should be rightly called New Macedonians, this is a name that makes sense. This is the respect the USA showed to Mexico when naming the state, they called it New Mexico. Instead they steal Greece's identity, culture and history. Something the academic world, and albeit late, politicians have began to pick up on.
Ah - now I recogise Meg, she's Peggy in disguise, all the way from Melbourne in God's Own Country. (Maybe she knows Tim personally, as he's also from Melbourne ?) Small world on this site - everybody eventually gets to know each other, though they don't always admit it.
You're one to talk Gonzales, you have pretended be several identities such as Dr Cornelius, Dr Duck and now you are Gonzales. People his real name is David and his sole purpose here is to antagonise the greek side. Perhaps you should think twice before posting hypocritical posts because old man there will ALWAYS be someone in cyberspace who will know who you really are.
When will the moderators understand that people would play a lot nicer if they blocked Gonzales/Dr Cornelius/David? Take a hint.
Tim - noting what the Moderators have said, I am still very confused about which of the various (quite lengthy) posts below are yours, and which are not.
Your two posts, in particular, of Monday 26 October look to me like a "seamless robe" of your own style, with no obvious mark of anyone else modifying them.
That said, clearly the best thing for you to do is to follow the Moderators' suggestion and register your ID and photo on this site. That way you will be fully protected. (So would Peggy [...]
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As long as "Ronald" knows I never directed any comments to him, nor mentioned anything about a "McDOnald's strategy.
And as long as "Peggy" knows I never included her in a list with the term "Dickhead" attached as an appendix, and never referred to any "impressive amount" of material of my own.
Is that why Peggy jumped over to the other site and attack me for no reason for being abusive and having an ego? Was someone setting her up?
Not exactly playing nice is it..
@Tim Themi: when posting a comment, anyone can type in any username they want, there is no verification of identity and names of unregistered users should therefore not be taken as identifying a specific person.
if you want to avoid any confusion as to what comments are really yours, you can register (top of the page, under the logo) and personalise your profile, even upload a photo or other graphic file, which will then be used with every comment you post, instantly identifying your comments as yours.
please note that this does [...]
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additionally, registering gives you an easy interface to manage your subscription to our and other Economedia email bulletins.
hope this helps.
enjoy the forum, and, as always, play nice :)
To The Moderator -
Actually, the person who fraudulently entered a post here under my name "Tim Themi", at "Mon, Oct 26 2009 20:22 CET", did make some falsifications to my original comments which are more than I am comfortable with.
Please remove this post.
My concern is that it invites readers to <<find all my academic details on Google - just enter "Tim Themi">> and then has me directing the invective <<dickhead>> at some one, and I know not who or what for.
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Read the full comment Fraudulently entering a post under my name, falsifying my comments, linking them with my professional qualifications, and then directing invectives from this usurped position, I consider a gross violation of my legal persons, and a matter worth taking up with my local judicial system.
Please assist me with this matter in any way you can.
I trust you will immediately remove the inappropriate comments, and thus discourage the inappropriate actions behind them.
Kind Regards,
Tim
To the Moderator -
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Just another point of order about defrauding. Somebody else has logged in under my name "Tim Themi" here on <<Mon, Oct 26 2009 20:27 CET>>, and <<Mon, Oct 26 2009 20:22 CET>>, in both cases cutting and pasting a post I made under your Thur OCT 15th article, but also making some alterations..
(cf., http://sofiaecho.com/2009/10/15/800292_solving-the
I'm not at all asking for the post to be removed this time - or contacting you personally for details to take the matter [...]
Read the full comment up with police - because the alterations this time were not at all malicious in intent. In actual fact they were quite well done.
But still, given what "Peggy" tried previously, where she cut my post and changed words deliberately to falsify my legal persons and antagonise various ethnic groups, I do feel uneasy about people logging in under my name and making "unauthorised" alterations to my words.
To all posters - please respect academic standards of honesty and transparency and steer well clear of plagarism.
As said, even when this done without any malice, it opens the door for this tactic to those who have - and it doesn't take much to say, "Hey Ronald, this is what Tim Themi said under another article and I reckon it applies to you - and the only alteration I'd make to it is to say "this" instead of "that" etc
Kind Regards,
Tim
Here is a nice article by balkaninsight about the realities and truths of Skopje....danielle and David you need to read
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/main/news/23207/
Also I want to make something clear to danielle who is spreading lies about the suspension of the province of Macedonia and saying it will be renamed to northern greece. The Ministry of Macedonia has NOT been suspended. Even if it was, it has nothing to do with the government of the Province and Periphery of Macedonia. There is no ministry of Attiki or Achaia but these peripheries [...]
Read the full comment and provinces still exist. The ministry of Macedonia is a cultural promotion of Greek Macedonia, it has nothing to do with the Province of Macedonia and its government. Also the periphery of Macedonia is recognised by the EU with Thessaloniki as its capital. GET OVER IT!
PS - and get a life!
DANIELLE
<<Facts speak for themself.Just remember,Macedonians in Yugoslavja and in Greece fought againts the Nazis,The Greek and Bulgarians fought with the Nazis.Queen Frederika wore the swastica in Athens while the grandfather of the PM of the Republic of Macedonia was defending the Greek soil in 1941.He lost his life there,but Greece still does not recognise the Macedonian minority.>>
Facts in a delusional or a brainwashed mind poor girl.
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Grouios was killed on the Graeco
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people honestly im watching your conversation and i can say that most of you look like logic people.But i have a question!!This Daniele dude from which parallel dimension comes from??hahahaha!whats wrong with this people??Daniele wake up dude you are loosing it honestly!!can you understant what you write or you just write it and you dont get it???
Finally we are gouing to get a Bulgarian party in macedonia. Vreme just put it out. Now we will see how our macedonian narod will react to so many macedonians joining this new party. In Ohrid the majority of our macedonians have Bulgarian roots so this will be a good thing. Finally all these racists like danielle and the rest of her diaspora idiots can sit on the backburner and watch. This is the best news ever. As macedonians we rejoice all over macedonia finally our true history will be told not this rubbish from diaspora about ancients we are [...]
Read the full comment all Slavs here in macedonia so get over it. Especially you my darling clementine Danielle. God we even forgive you . What a beautiful life. Finally our own Bulgarian Party here in our own macedonia. Gotse Delchev is finally proud to have his bones in our land. For decades speculation about his families disappointment with the jingoisic behaviour of our conservatives was always worrying , but now our proudest Bulgarian leader will witness that our Bulgarian people will have a say in the very region we fought and died for.
http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/greece/ nonflash/eng/zakyntho.htm
Hi I wanted to tell everyone my story. My grandfather was a Jew who lived on the island of Zakynthos, Greece. During WWII when the Nazis had invaded Athens, the island was next on Hitler's list. The Greek forces on the island under the direction of the Bishop and Mayor of the island took every Jew including my grandfather and hid one Jew in each village. When the Nazis invaded the island, they demanded the Bishop and Mayor to tell them where the Jews but both refused. Because of the Greeks my people were saved.
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Read the full comment want to send a message to danielle and to her people that your attempts to change history including WWII is insulting to the Jewish people, your treatment of the Greeks is insulting to the Jewish people. I hope you will grow up and learn a little humility and sensibility and stop your ugly propaganda.
Being a Parisian and a history expert of WWI and WWII, I am disgusted that FYROM as gone so far as to revise the history of these wars. It is clear this nation does not deserve to be in the EU. I think this nationalist fervour is pathetic and the idea that FYROM claims to be descendant from ancient Macedonia and Alexander the Great is ridiculous. However, change world war history has taken this too far....FYROM is not welcome in the EU
Well Danielle, now we are changing the history of WWII, yes you are DESPERATE. Danielle dear, sorry for being blunt but that is very stupid of you, you can anger alot of people with your revised WWII history especially the Jewish people and that my dear is not very wise.
"Everyone can recall the sentiments of admiration which the heroic defense of Greece, first against the Italians and then against the German invader, aroused throughout the civilized world."
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danielle you are a DIRTY LIAR, you are a JOKE, you have officially discredited yourself. You can try to change your own history and that of greece but to try and change the history of WWII is pathetic at best. Oh and you can tell your view of history to the Jews who who visit Greece every year during the WWII anniversary [...]
Read the full comment to thank the Greek authorities for their help during WWII....have fun with that.
"The Greek and Bulgarians fought with the Nazis.Queen Frederika wore the swastica in Athens"
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Thanks Danielle for adding this comment because now you have betrayed yourself as a LIAR. It is a well known fact that the Greeks resisted the nazis and here is some of the many sources....where are yours????
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danielle, you are a JOKE
Danielle and Gonzanles/Dr Cornelius/David....WE THINK YOU ARE A JOKE SHOVE YOUR HOPE WHERE IT DON'T SHINE
Pani Danielle - to answer your specific (and interesting) question about attending university in Krakow, it really felt much the same as university in the UK, except for three things:
(a) the university administration kept a much closer record of which students attended which lectures (this was actually rather a Good Thing, as UK universities have been tradtionally rather negligent here.)
(b) politically, it was completely free in Krakow to SAY what you thought - and people did - but you couldn't publish or print anything without prior approval from the Communist [...]
Read the full comment authorities. That said, these authorities were not too difficult, as long as you kept off two subjects: (1) the "Great Neighbour / Wielki Sasiad", i.e. the USSR, and (2) Katyn and the 1940 masscre there by the USSR of thousands of Polish intellectuals. In contrast, anything to do with the Germans was fair game, and EVERYBODY wanted to spend a few months in the UK.
(c) accomodation was very sparse and cramped - either in a "Dom Studencki" student hostel (as I was) or else in people's small apartments. But this was a function of Poland as a whole at the time - rebuilding after wartime devastation was far from complete. It's much better now.
Hope this is helpful - Dr Cornelius, as I recall, spent his time at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, studing Vampirology and the Occult. It shows sometimes....
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Panie Gonzales,Grecy nigdy nie pzyznaja ze Macedonia nie jest Grecka.Today in Greece,the PM papandreou did suspend the Macedonia-Thrace ministries.I feel great.Papandreou feels it is better to go back to "Northern Greece"as before 1989.This is a fact.Dr.Cornelius,the Republic of Macedonia is not a commie State.Though, comments that misrepresent States and people like yours are not very smart with your education,and have traveled in Europe.In order to find out about a population,you must visit those areas and speak to them,not the governmental institutions.You did attend University in Krakow,did you find it more attractive education than most western countries?Remember,durring your stay in Poland,Poland [...]
Read the full comment was communist.Fay,no desperation at all.Facts speak for themself.Just remember,Macedonians in Yugoslavja and in Greece fought againts the Nazis,The Greek and Bulgarians fought with the Nazis.Queen Frederika wore the swastica in Athens while the grandfather of the PM of the Republic of Macedonia was defending the Greek soil in 1941.He lost his life there,but Greece still does not recognise the Macedonian minority.
Dear Ronold,
Good luck with your "Mc Donalds strategy". If you scroll down, you'll find there was plenty of that from me to start with - but that you can't reason with science-hating, nationalist fanatatics!
In my opinion, if you are an extremist lefty, then in terms of values you are no more Greek than any other superstitious moral fanatic from St. Paul to Mao, Stalin and Tito.
Neither you, nor any mere politician, can ever be said to represent the entirety of the "Greek point of view", [...]
Read the full comment as you put it, a priori, unless you can prove that your view is "true".
"Aggression" is a natural response by a civilised, cultured intelligent man to a barbarous stupidity. If you think it is "sin" a priori, then you belong with all those morbidly-depressed "orthodox" Christian Monks of Mt. Athos - a place which has basically been known to be a funny farm of a construction for centuries now, and which often shares the same utopian, idealist, pie-piper morality of many extreme leftists, which never works, which is why you all end up more murderously aggressive than anyone else who is more self-honest.
But mate, English is obviously not your preferred language, which is fair enough, and as is evidenced by your,
"you are Greek, therefore systematically too proud, stupid",
Huh?
But you should at least be able to cut and paste my own English without falsifying it so profoundly!
I am gonna tune back in tomorrow, and see how well YOU do arguing with a bunch of obsessional, epistemically challenged nationalist fanatics with a borderline paranoid psychotic psychotic structure..
I remain to be convinced that you have the better strategy; but will gladly give full credit for any positive results.
And remember, no points from me for any my kind of milk-sop, Mummy's boy, Mother Teressa, floppy tit softness towards the pretend "macedonian" slavs of FYROM - for it was only such softist, bullshit idealism that gave those village idiots the inch that enabled them to take a completely undeserved country mile in the first place!
Trust me. They are all loving you at the moment. But for the wrong reason.
If you don't lift you game, we, not only real Greeks, but sane, rational, scientifically astute and sensibly ethical individuals of all races and nations are gonna send you and your lefty fairies back to Siberia!
Kind Regards,
Tim
*Yawn ~
Yes, Freddy got Friedrich Fingered Pausaniaski "demonstrates his ignorance" by quoting from non scholarly, non-academic, non-peer-review websites, and still not getting it right, because he only reads the headings before his little pin-sized brain gets too over-extended.
You people are just so dreary, do you know that ? Whether FYROManians or Greeks, you are so wrapped up in your little Balkan problems that you wouldn't recognise a helping hand even if it bit you. Here in Australia we take more of an epistemic World View.
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Read the full comment Don't crap on about minor trivialities about a world you've got no knowledge about -
Read the first paragraph at least of what you are trying to plagiarize completely out of context you belligerent chronic fraudulent -
A.J Ayer - like B. Russell - is a "logical positivist", a "logical empiricist" - precisely the opposite to those pseudo-romantic "truth relativism" and "historical revisionism" perversions of yours that you've tried to bring them in as support for.
Dickhead!
That's why, as I said from the start, you think that Holland can name their airport "Napolean Airport", and that Cuba can change its name to "The Real Florida".
Because you are relativist - you've got no way of telling fiction from fact!
And that's the only reason why you still think that Alexander the Golden Greek Great can somehow be a Slav or a Hittite!
(Still waiting for evidence that you have, as you earlier claimed, as PhD from Oxford in History - my academic credentials are all on the public record which is why I can speak in my own name, my one true name, and which is why you can't seriously contest it!) You can find all my academic details on Google - just enter "Tim Themi" and see the impressive amount of material that comes out. More than you or Peggy can do, dickhead.
Take...
Formula of a Loser
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FYROMian Propoganda
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Delusional Loser
Precisely. The loser in each case will be Greece, especially when it discovers that under Libson it has lost its veto.
Heh heh heh, as they say in blogging circles......
Dr. Cornelius Van Helsing
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Well, Margaret, I would personally rather spell it "Aleksander Velikiy", or in my native tongue "Aleksander Wielki", but I gather the Greeks understandably like to have the name in Greek. In which, by the way, the adjective can either precede or follow the noun, as it does in most European languages except English and Hungarian.
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Look who's talking David/gonzales...you can't even spell correctly in other languages.
Alexandros Megalos is incorrect
Megas Alexandros or Megalos Alexandros
But then again, you Brits are known in Europe for your poor language skills
But do you see anyone here complaining? NO. Why? Because you sound like an old granny when you complain about other people's spelling. Even Einstein misspelled words and he may friend came up with the law of energy amongst other things....what have you done in your life time david in [...]
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Lets have a cup tea sometime shall we? God bless the queen and may David find health in his old age
Gonzales who is really David, you must think that everyone here is an idiot not to have figured out you are the one and only David because only DAVID thinks it amusing and clever to insult other people's spelling.
Dear David, if for one moment you thought insulting people's spelling makes you attractive or witty then let me burst your bubble and inform you that it makes you look and sound fruity and poofy AND very unmasculine to say the least.
Please save yourself any further embarrassment because until you stop fooling [...]
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Hope you enjoy bingo today
<Ronold> - your problem is that you can't spell.
Don't try any business with professional franchisors or their subsiduaries (like Mc Donalds) until you can SPELL PROPERLY.
Until then we will all take your words as rubbish to be swept away, along with whatever arguments you were trying to express.
Ronald McDonald says "Have A Nice Day".
Daniele honestly how desperated you really are??can u tell us?
Why is FYROMGruevski didnt report to work today. He was supposed to dress as the McD's clown for the UMD. A clown leading a bunch of greedy puppets? Sounds like FYROM to me. They realized they look funny so they choose the Grek identity of Macedonia. Little did they know they would get served. Bet you guys thought you had it easy huh - Stealing an identity, name and history? lol, funny lil fyromian fools.
Sorry - Danielle - I forgot how long it takes to change a website even in Germany, let alone in Greece ! (Who do you have to bribe to get things done quickly in Athens ?)
When Germany gives back confiscated Nazi property to the Nazis then the Hellenic Republic should consider giving back confiscated to Communist Slavs (Skopjans) who committed unspeakable atrocities in Greece
Nice try Danielle
Well Danielle, it appears your government-run news source MINA got its sources "mixed" up as it appears the ministry is still up and running:
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Also on the EU website, Macedonia is still a province of Greece, the biggest one with Thessaloniki as its capital which is recognised by the EU:
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"The thought of giving us our consficated properties and our citizenship"
- Greece has already dealt with the communists after they lost the battle. All Greek communists were [...]
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The only property exchange that will be happening with you is with the Albanians....good luck with that.
David/Dr Cornelius dear you need to get a life. You have been on this site for at least 3 years antagonising the greeks and pretending to be a supporter to the Bulgarians with a serious identity issue. The last time I checked communist slavs were enemies of Great Britain let alone ones who greeted the NAZIs with joy when they entered Skopje.
And Danielle dear, you and the rest of the slav diaspora are confused little boys who when they grew up had a sex change. And just like those boys who had a sex change [...]
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Danielle and David/Dr Cornelius/George II......you wish!
and no the ministry was not suspended but absurd propaganda from your government. Funny how how the ministry of Macedonia is still functioning and maintaining law and order in the Province of Macedonia
oh and David, good for you to sticking to a side even though it is a losing side...you got to love the albanians and their tactics. Oh and say hi to the Queen while you're at it.
I entirely agree with Danielle !
Finaly,Greece decided to go back to pre-1989 and suspend the so-called Macedonia and Thrace administations.What does this mean? it means that the Greek PM Papandreou is more pragmatist than Karamanlis.Mr.Papandreou,recognise the Macedonian minority in Greece and recognise the constitutional name of the Republic of Macedonia.This will help both countries in economy,social and cultural opportunities.The thought of giving us our consficated properties and our citizenship is a wonderfull idea,thank you.
"Ronold" - your spelling is slipping. Of course I'm familiar with Pantone colours; anyone who has used a professional airbrush is.
Meanwhile, no evidence that Macedonia wants to use the Fallen Arches of McDonalds for any purpose other than probably erecting a public convenience.
By the way, the spread of English throughout the world was probably encouraged more by the British Empire and its Dominions such as Australia and Canada, than by any influence of the US. Similarly Spanish in Latin America was propagated more by Spain than by Mexico (with the [...]
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I am not really sure of the point you were originally trying to make, except possibly to indicate to Burger King that Macedonia might be a useful territory for expansion !
You are wrong once again Gonzales or Cornelius Van Helsing or George II. Maybe in your "UK" it is spelled as colour, but in the USA it is color. Sure it may be an "English" language, by name. But it is around today because of America.
Secondly, colors cannot be trademarked alone, but they are recognized as part of a logo or symbol in any trademark application filing in color worldwide. These are known as Pantone colors which are used universally throughout the world.
Lastly, your method of color matching is one [...]
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If you take the pantone colors of the Spanish, McDonalds, and FYROMs flag, the FYROMian flag matches best. This is a fact. Check your own facts if you want to sound like a know-it-all next time.
Besides, what are you complaining about? By compairing yourselves to McDonalds, you can take your identity serious, as an entity, not to be confused with ethnicity.
as an afterthought, not even the most impoverished and corrupt country in the world (out of 172 of them) would wish to want to claim McDonalds as their own !
That said, on second thoughts, it is just possible that the the dictators ruling Burkina Fasso or Comoros might have ideas in that direction, but I imagine that McD headquarters in USA would head
them off fairly easily.
One of the nicer moments in 1990+ Central Europe was when McDonalds opened an outlet in historic ulica Florianska in Krakow, expecting [...]
Read the full comment to make millions of zlotys. Two years later the outlet had failed and closed its doors, as Cracovian Poles had far too much good taste than to patronise the "Fallen Arches".....
Ronald - firstly, the word is spelled "color" in Spanish, "couleur" in French, and "colour" in English. Don't post if you cannot spell properly.
Secondly, what McDonalds have protected under WIPO Intellectual Property law is the "twin arches" trademark, not the colours (it is not possible under WIPO rules to copyright a colour or a colour combination).
Thirdly, if you have ever been to Spain and seen the national flag, the colours used are the same as the Macedonian ones (download both flags from Google on a computer with a reasonably good [...]
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Actually, the colors are not even close. Do your own research George II, Gonzales, Van Helsing, etc. They more closely resemble McDonalds than they do the Spaniards' colors. But its not so much the colors as it is them stealing wanting to claim McDonalds as FYROMian.
Ronald - colores son ESPANOLES !
Guardarse de la Inquisicion Espanol ! (Beware the Spanisn Inquisition, which you never expect. The colours you claim are Spain's national colours, dating back to before McDonalds was even an idea in some American head.)
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Actually, I like the Turkish and Greek flags. The FYROMian one is nothing special. They are stealing my colors.
McDonalds is being a bit unfair to the Macedonian flag - it is not the world's prettiest, and a bit too reminiscent of the Japanese Rising Sun, but it's their flag and they like it.
If push comes to shove, the present light blue/white striped Greek flag looks rather like a hospital gown in a hospital ward for geriatrics....
The best local flag in terms of Immediate Visual Impact is the all-red flag with white crescent of Turkey.....looks great when hoisted on the back of boats or gulets !
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Vardaska, Paionia, New Macedonia, Upper Macedonia, Northern Macedonia. Choose one, and welcome to the EU. Choose none and dream on.
George II stresses the Lisbon Treaty all too often, whats funny is that this is as much of a crock as your pseudo-nations 2013 wish of Thessaloniki to be FYROMs. You wont ever admit it, as your master puppet Gruevski, but the pressure is now on FYROM, not Greece. No compromise, no EU.
Funny how your posts prior to the NATO veto were the same (now removed). You researched and stressed one little technicality, but in the end, FYROM IS NOT IN NATO. So keep dreaming. One nation's veto is their right, and you cant change [...]
Read the full comment this. But what you can change is by posting your B.S. and making people think you actually know what you are talking about. Bottomline, I would love to see yor face when Greece vetos FYROM for EU. All this not because you want a name and identity that clearly doesnt belong to you, but because you think that you can change history to benefit you. FYI- I am not Greek. I used to side with FYROM when it was only about the name, but since they commissioned bloggers (much like yourself) to try and spread rumors about Greece and rewrite its history for its own benefit, well you have converted many. Just visit NYC and you may just get a hint of how many have been converted once they find the truth out.
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FYROMs flag looks like a McDonalds advertisement gone mad. Wait, isnt Gruevski Ronald McDonald? That explains everything. I think also the FYROMians wanted the name McDonalds, not Macedonia. McDonalds Corporation, look out. You are next as the FYROMians will lay claim to all your land, employees and indentity. They just dont know what to do next, so they will call themselved McDonaldonians.
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From the sources I have, Greece will exercize its veto. Except if they reach a compromise with FYROM for the name, but I doubt it, since the period till the EU december's decision is way too short for negociations.
FYROM doesnt respect or recognise UN law.
They should be penalised not rewarded and the countries that support this illegal action should also be cautioned.
Greece should change its name to England and see if the pomms react
Macedonia in in EU since 1981 first of all!!!Show how can you Veto your own self??
Now if we talk about Fyrom,probably this is the best way for this people to understant where they stant in this whole situation.For examble,in NATO,Bush told them we will bring you to NATO and Greece wont do anything.Well we still wait you poor little country in our company but it seems that uncleBush lied!!And ofcourse i dont have to mention,that in reallity the only people who acutally EVER said the world Veto was Greece and Fyrom.The other countrys said that [...]
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In Eu things are even worst!Now we have a Socialist goverment,Papandreou is great man,he was serving in the Ministry of Foreign and he knows what to do!!We ALL support him,as we did with Karamanlis in our national issues we are one pounch! 95% of Greeks agree on a Veto and you should expect it 100%!!Not only we will keep Fyrom outside EU but we will make sure that we wont even will have to start the negotiations.This was coming and its logical.I mena its the only country in the history of EU that was waiting 5 years to start talking about when the negotiations will start so there will be a decision about when and IF they will enter finally!!Can you beleive this?I beleive that in 3 years from now Serbia will join,and ofcourse Croatia.Probably Albania too.papadreou declared his wish all the western balkans to be part till 2014 and he will go after it!!Trust me you are not part of it!!Its more safe and sure to say that Turkey will join than Fyrom!!I dont know what your politics are saying to you people for this matter but as a simply citizen and with the few i know i can asure you that the grandchildren of the todays 30 year old people of Fyrom will be in the best case the first people in Fyrom who will be part of the European familly(and only in the case that the Albanians will shit down and wait...)!!A recommedndation is not an accession put it good in your brains cause the second Veto is coming soon!
Smoking - the machinations of Brussels (and Luxembourg) are a bit more complex than you make out, and a "veto" will be a great deal more difficult than hitherto.
(Also, though this was not part of the original discussion, the behaviour of Vaclav Klaus will have concentrated the minds of many member-states about eradicating the power of single-nation "veto" even further. )
Worth remembering that the Polish Parliament ("Sejm") had the power of individual veto ("Liberum Veto") by any Polish MP, up until 1792 with the final Partition of Poland between Prussia, [...]
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Educated Central Europeans still remember this moral rather well, though I am not sure that Polish history is taught in Athens.
"Yeah right, and why from Bulgaria would that veto be possible? "
Lets see:
violating the rights of the Bulgarian nationals living in FYROM, having territorial aspiration on Bulgarian land (very Yugoslav style) with the Pirin region - all that sounds like a veto to me....
Did you forget about Spain's possible veto?
George II, dont hold your breath on that one buddy. What Olig said was true. For enlargement, it MUST be a unanimous acceptance, not majority, for accession by all 27 EU member states. Not to mention, it probably wont only be one veto. FYROM is looking at 3 potential vetoes, possibly 4. Greece, Bulgaria, Cyprus and France. Remember, you cant join the club if the members dont want you. Remember this come time when talks are closing. As Olig points out, Greece knew about this report. The report even states that if no resolution, accession cannot be had. It is [...]
Read the full comment a prerequisite by making it into the report alone. This I'm sur eyou must have overlooked though. If in the report, it is required. If not, not required. Greek politicians reported this weeks ago. They fought to get this in the report. From there on in, keep holding your own breath.
Olig - don't hold your breath on the Greek "veto". Just look at the Lisbon Treaty and the extension of Qualified Majority voting that it contains......Greece (or any other single Member State) can be overruled on a variety of issues.
Yeah right, and why from Bulgaria would that veto be possible?
What in the world have we got wrong with Bulgaria?
Greeks are only slowing us down, if we didn't had their problem with our name, we would have been a long time ago in EU, and more economically stronger then Bulgaria too.
A recommendation does not mean accession. A veto, which Greece still holds the right, is always a possibility. Expect this if the dispute is not resolved. For the dispute to be included in the report states that Greece was behind this as well, with the intention of resolving the dispute. Now's the time FYROM. Decide for your future, but dont think that Europe has turned their heads on Greece, one member veto is all thts needed. You probably are facing two, from Bulgaria as well.