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Russia pledges backing for Serbia at ICJ hearing on Kosovo

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Russia pledges backing for Serbia at ICJ hearing on Kosovo

Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov at their October 5 2009 meeting in Moscow.

Russia will be backing Serbia’s position when the Hague-based International Court of Justice begins hearings on December 1 2009 on the question of Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov said, according to Serbian and Russian media reports.
 
Lavrov made the statement after talks in the Russian capital with his Serbian counterpart Vuk Jeremic.
 
"Like many other countries, Russia has submitted documents to the ICJ in connection with Serbia’s complaint against the unilateral declaration of independence," Lavrov said.
 
"We will insist that international law and UN Security Council decisions be respected and any unilateral decisions running counter to the UN Charter and OSCE principles be avoided," he said.
 
Kosovo’s unilateral declaration of independence in February 2008 was recognised by the United States and most European Union countries, but is firmly rejected by Serbia – which regards the declaration as illegal in international law and counter to the relevant UN resolution. Among Belgrade’s firmest backers has been Moscow.
 
In 2008, Serbia got UN General Assembly backing to refer the question of Kosovo’s independence to the ICJ, which after hearing arguments, will issue an opinion that, however, will be non-binding.
 
The December 1 hearings will see all five permanent members of the UN Security Council participating, with Russia and China backing Serbia and the United States, United Kingdom and France backing Kosovo.
 
The court will also examine written submissions by a number of other countries.
 
Lavrov also expressed concern about reported statements by Albanian prime minister Sali Berisha about the need for all Albanians to unite.
 
Kosovo has a predominantly ethnic Albanian population.
 
In reaction to Berisha’s reported statement that he and Kosovo prime minister Hashim Thaçi would work to eliminate obstacles to Albanians feeling united across the whole territory in which they live, Lavrov was reported by Serbian media as having said that this statement should give rise to harsh reactions from the EU and Nato.
 

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Anonymous George Mon, Oct 19 2009 17:39 CET

"the only non-Indo European language in Europe" should have
read "in balkans." and basque is also a non indo-euro language.
albanians are a turk tribe from the caucasus whom arrived with
the ottomans and thats a historical fact.
"If this is an example of your standard of accuracy", you are
not one who can question my standard of accuracy as you have
failed on many levels to dispute my information but instead avoid the facts and divert around the issue while continuing to
promote propaganda and [...]

Read the full comment lies of the western official version.

"Meanwhile, Serbia is doing itself its own disfavours by instigating
another conflict in Bosnia"

I have noticed you posted this headline on a number of different
articles and I'm sure with great enthusiasm at a chance to attack and demonize Serbs. Serbs have no other choice as fabians continue to form a central islamofascist government. By righteous choice Serbs don't want to live under such conditions were Saudi Arabia and Turkey are meddling in Bosnia's government affairs.

Anonymous Peggy Mon, Oct 19 2009 14:33 CET

Agron asked:

"What s going to happend in 20 years when PEGGY its geting old .."

Answer, NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

You are one vulgar and rude man. Is this the extent of your intelligence?

Anonymous Agron Forlani Mon, Oct 19 2009 10:46 CET

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Anonymous Hawk Fri, Oct 16 2009 23:08 CET

K-Albanians are only nation in the whole history of the mankind who were "ethnically cleansed" and killed for a decades, and after every single "cleansing" they ended up having more people then they had before "cleansing".

There were less then 20 000 K-Albanians, the year they have been started to be "cleansed", back in 1912. And now after 100 years of being "ethnically cleansed", they ended up with the figure of 2 000 000 people.

Those K-Albanians are very specific. They multiply by being "ethnically cleansed". Very interesting phenomenon, wouldn't you say? [...]

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Anonymous Peggy Wed, Oct 14 2009 23:11 CET

Rita
Wed, Oct 14 2009 14:30 CET

"Serbia was trying to establish an Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo. That is theory that serbs over the decades were trying to accomplish . That method of reducing the albanian population (90% of the entire population in Kosovo) it is a significant argument to proof that Serbia regime was using aggression towards the albanian population in Kosovo, and it’s not relevant “morality” or not “morality” but a government that uses aggression and genocide on its “own” people will be never able to govern them again"

[...]

Read the full comment /> Funny how Serbia managed to ethnically cleanse themseves from Kosovo while Albanian population just kept going up. Yep, this was ethnic cleansing alright but the cleansing was being done by the Albanains and not the Serbs.

How do you explain Albanians being around 50% or just over just after WW2 and now they are 90%? Yes, breeding was a factor but so was illegal jumping over the border by Albanians from Albania and pushing the Serbs out of Kosovo for decades and not allowing the refugees to return now.
Rita, you cannot say you guys were ethnically cleansed when your numbers and percentage went dramatically up instead of down.

Anonymous George Wed, Oct 14 2009 21:28 CET

No more albanian propaganda...the TRUTH is coming out more and more.

"My boss told me that I had seen every single piece of paper on Kosovo that he had. I am not at all sure that was the case. I am not accusing him of falsifying events, his memory may have been faulty, he may not have known what I saw and what he saw, but still he assured me of that. I did also see the reports, for example, on all the conversations between the Prime Minister and President Clinton and Mr Chirac and Mr [...]

Read the full comment Schroder—bar only one weekend when things got a little rocky between Downing Street and the White House and there were telephone calls which, of course, were not circulated.... I think certain people were spoiling for a fight in NATO at that time..... If you ask my personal view, I think the terms put to Milosevic at Rambouillet were absolutely intolerable; how could he possibly accept them; it was quite deliberate. That does not excuse an awful lot of other things, but we were at a point when some people felt that something had to be done, so you just provoked a fight....The use of the word 'genocide', which came up very often, I thought was quite misplaced because I do not think Mr Milosevic, whatever else he was doing, was engaged in genocide...."
THE RT HON LORD GILBERT, British Junior Defence Minister During The Kosovo Conflict
Evidence To House of Commons Select Committee On Defense, 20 June 2000

"The second point is about the KLA. Various things have come to us in this evidence we have taken so far. My impression is that a relatively well armed uniformed force came from virtually nowhere and all the questions we have asked about that in the past people have put a block on, it is as though 'we do not talk about that'...."
Mr Mike Gapes MP, Defence Select Committee Member
Minutes Of Evidence To House of Commons Select Committee On Defense, 20 June 2000

"....a growing weight of evidence indicates that the 1999 war had little to do with Milosevic, and everything to do with the US’s economic and military hegemonic ambitions in the Balkans..... Lord Gilbert, the UK’s defence minister in 1999, has admitted that 'the terms put to Milosevic at Rambouillet [the international conference preceding the war] were absolutely intolerable . . . it was quite deliberate'. In an affidavit to the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, Colonel John Crosland, the UK’s military attaché in Belgrade from 1996-99, stated that the US had decided on regime change in Serbia and had decided to use the terrorist Kosovo Liberation Army to achieve that end."
Don't mention the war
New Statesman, 2 April 2009

"Like the war in Iraq, the neocon-inspired war against Yugoslavia in 1999 - which Hari still defends - had nothing to do with 'humanitarian concerns' or 'spreading democracy' (Yugoslavia under Milosevic was a multi-party democracy, with a well-financed opposition media) but was purely and simply about extending Pax Americana and, to use Hari's own words the imposition of mass privatisations. In order to achieve their goal, the empire builders in Washington had to resort to deceit: in 2003, the Big Lie was that Iraq possessed WMDs, four years earlier, it was that Yugoslav forces were committing genocide in Kosovo. Sadly, large sections of the liberal left believed the official version, and in 1999 backed the illegal war. Messrs Perle, Wolfitowitz and Rumsfeld - all members of the executive of the the Balkan Action Committee (which lobbied for US involvement on the side of the separatist leader Izetbegovic in Bosnia, and then for full scale war against Milosevic's rump Yugoslavia in 1999) would never have got the level of public support they did for their wars without the propagandising done for their cause by liberal-left writers like Nick Cohen, David Aaronovitch and Johann Hari - and of course, Christopher Hitchens. Once the liberal-left wakes up to the fact that in Yugoslavia, as in Iraq, they were sold a pack of lies, it really is game over for the serial warmongers."
Seeing the light?
Guardian, Comment Is Free, 25 July 2007

"If Senator Kennedy wants to talk about fraud [in relation to the Bush administration's invasion of Iraq], he ought to talk..... about what he and President Clinton told us in 1999 when they told us to bomb innocent Serbs, we'd find 100 thousand mass graves. Those mass graves were never found. They lied to the America people to justify the aerial bombardment campaign."
Congressman Curt Weldon (R) Pennsylvania on 'Hardball with Chris Matthews'
NBC News, 19 September 2003

I can go on and on about the false propaganda...

Historically Kosovo belongs to Serbia...albanian language is the only non indo-euro language in europe and clearly demonstrates that they have only existed in the balkans for the last few centuries. Evidence supports that they were a nomad tribe from the caucasus mountains brought to the balkans by the ottoman empire. historically it belongs to Serbia and the Serbian people. UN Resolution 1244 guarrantees Serbia sovereignty and territorial integrity. Serbia will never give Kosovo up...Serbs will expect nothing less than Kosovo as a part of Serbia. Serbs will follow all diplomatic avenues under international law which doesn't all state secession. If international law is not honored then the use of force will be necessary.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA

Anonymous Rita Wed, Oct 14 2009 14:30 CET

Serbia was trying to establish an Ethnic Cleansing in Kosovo. That is theory that serbs over the decades were trying to accomplish . That method of reducing the albanian population (90% of the entire population in Kosovo) it is a significant argument to proof that Serbia regime was using aggression towards the albanian population in Kosovo, and it’s not relevant “morality” or not “morality” but a government that uses aggression and genocide on its “own” people will be never able to govern them again.

All dictatorial regime that leaded Serbia over the decades were full of [...]

Read the full comment hate and hostility for Kosovar-Albanians, knowing that one day this silence will break and the nation can’t be deprived from their right to become independent in their Land.
Ethnic Cleansing , genocide , massive graves and all happened in Kosova by the Serbian army, we can go on …and on… and on … that there was no genocide and no violation of basic human rights on Albanian Community in Kosova by the Serbian regime , but there is the truth that the entire world know and have seen it , thanks to the journalists and the International organisations that were a very dependable witness to let the World know that Serbia is killing innocent people , that Serbia is violating the basic human rights , that Serbia should get the HellOut of Kosova , and finally that this population of 90 % albanian has the right to declare their freedom and their independence from Serbia who historically occupied Kosova.
I’m really sorry that there are still people (Serbs) that are poisoned and can not get convinced that they lost KOSOVA forever , and that something that was stolen would never become yours.
I’m ending this debate by saluting everyone “Get over it , KOSOVA IS INDEPENDENT “.
SALUTE …

Anonymous George Wed, Oct 14 2009 10:40 CET

A United Nations court has ruled that Serbian troops did not carry out genocide against ethnic Albanians during Slobodan Milosevic's campaign of aggression in Kosovo from 1998 to 1999... The court, which is comprised of two international judges and one Albanian, was ruling on the case of a Serb, Miroslav Vuckovic, convicted of genocide by a district court in Mitrovica. As genocide did not take place, international law would not recognise a breakaway entity to violate a country's sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The report on Georgia as investigasted by the EU Council was based on existing [...]

Read the full comment international laws and regulations as a standard method(rule) or procedure(rule) in order to conclude their finding. These findings represent in accordance with existing laws(rules) that have already been RULED by authorites within their perspective bodies.
As international law is existant, an authoritive, prescribed direction of conduct enables the report to declare as a standard measure based from international law and standard procedure.
As the report described what is true in most or all cases, it can be said that due to the Georgian
conflict and in the sucession of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, international law does not recognise a right to unilaterally create a new state based on the principle of self-determination outside the colonial context and apartheid. So as with Kosovo, the report finds as a generalised statement of what is true in most cases, consequently contrary to international law in terms of an unlawful interference in the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Serbia. So the use of the text "EU-sponsored report on the war in Georgia has ruled that provinces do not have the right to
secession, thus admitting that the unilateral secession of Kosovo from Serbia was a clear violation
of international law" still applies, as a generalised course of action or behaviour.

Anonymous Peggy Tue, Oct 13 2009 22:43 CET

Rita, yes there was crimes commtted by both sides in Kosovo and some would argue than Albanians did worse because they killed their own so please don't come here preaching some sort of morality. In war there is no morality. A sad fact but nonetheless a fact.

If you are referring to the famous "Racak massacre", that has already been established as not true. How much more is not true. Let's wait and see what Marty find out about organ harvesting and then let's talk about crimes.

Rwanda was a massacre for [...]

Read the full comment real and so were many other places, but guess what? No separate countries have emerged as a result of that so Kosovo which was not even a massacre does not look good.

ICJ is going to give an opinion. Even though it is not binding (ths was quoted by the Albanians first) it will carry a lot of weight in any future recognitions and perhaps even existing ones not happening.

Let's all wait and see what the people paid to make decisions on this make of it. If Serbia did not have a case they would've never been allowed to take it this far.

Anonymous Rita Tue, Oct 13 2009 15:29 CET

Just the fact of all civilians killed and genocide that was used by the Serbian regime in Kosovo is a justification that Kosova deserves to be independent . Regime like Slobodan Millosevic was directing it violates any rights of a human being , and that kind of humanitarian catastrophe the civilised world would not accept.
Prior to bring to consideration violation of International law by recognizing Kosovas’ independence , we should consider Humanitarian Law that was million times violated by Serbia and therefore the segregation from Serbia was inevitable.
Kosova was constitutionally part of Federation of [...]

Read the full comment Yugoslavia , and segregation from a country that is being separated in pieces , part of which separation is Kosovas Independence that wasn’t unilateral but it was in agreement with EU , and also it articulate its populations desire democratically for a free nation for all.


Thanks

Anonymous George II Tue, Oct 13 2009 13:15 CET

To my namesake, with the greatest possible respect, you have got things wrong, as in:

<<Fortunateley to shatter your futile dreams the EU-sponsored report on the war in Georgia has ruled that provinces do not have the right to secession, thus admitting that the unilateral secession of Kosovo from Serbia was a clear violation of international law. >>

The EU Council of Ministers report on Georgia didn't <<rule>> anything - it had no mandate to do so, and it quite rightly didn't.

What this report did was to [...]

Read the full comment <<observe>> and to <<recommend>>. But any follow-up was to be discussed and voted in the full EU Council of Ministers, assuming they accepted the report in the first place.

So, namesake, what you say shows a certain profound ignorance of EU procedures. I am sure that as a lawyer you will wish to rectify this as soon as possible (I can recommend a few good self-tuition EU legal websites if you wish.)

Anonymous Peggy Mon, Oct 12 2009 22:41 CET

If "Kosova" is independent, why then does Serbia sign all agreement with EULEX?

EULEX is clearly in charged there and does not ask Thaci's permission to make deals with Serbia. This does not look like any sort of independence to me.

If "Kosova" is independent, why is there no hope of them joining UN or EU? There are two vetos waiting at the UN and five at EU.

Why is there need for all these recognitions and why the arm twisting still happens to have the recogntions go [...]

Read the full comment up?

Even blind Freddy can see that there is no independence but only rule by Peter Feith.

Anonymous George Mon, Oct 12 2009 21:46 CET

Fortunateley to shatter your futile dreams the EU-sponsored report on the war in Georgia has ruled that provinces do not have the right to secession, thus admitting that the unilateral secession of Kosovo from Serbia was a clear violation of international law.
Kosovo border with Serbia has always been opened because under UN Resolution 1244 it guarrantees Serbia's terrtory integrity, that's a FACT, Serbia has always been UNITED with Kosovo, that will never change. Serbs are more concerned about Kosovo currently
being overun by islamic extremist, mafi, criminal cabal and the illegal activities it's engaged with [...]

Read the full comment rather than EU intergration. The first time the world was fooled by the mass media propaganda, there was no genocide, no ethnic cleansing, just LIES, it won't work a second time. Like I said, the persuit of carving the territories of Sovereign Nation States will bring war and destruction on albania, so this new road will bring the tanks and armies of Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Macedonia into albania....in two hours.

Anonymous Rita Mon, Oct 12 2009 18:21 CET

Kosova-Albania are united , there is no border practically . There is new road built that we'll take Kosovars to Albania in two hours, we need more time to get Albanian territor of Macedonia, Montenegro , Serbia(east part of Kosova) and Greece (Qameria) ...
As far as Kosova is concerned my dear friend -Kosova is Albanian , and Serbia is better to get focused in its integration in EU, and let Albanians enjoy their freedom in their LAND...
Cheers VIVA LA KOSOVA SOVREIGNITY

Anonymous George Mon, Oct 12 2009 14:20 CET

Rita

I sleep very well knowing that Kosovo is a part of the Republic of Serbia. Knowing that it is with backing and all accordance with International Law.
The idea of a albania uniting while carving out territories of Sovereign Nation States is a futile dream which will in reality become a nightmare for albania. Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece together will NEVER allow such a disrespect of their border which would lead decisive actions of force to defend THEIR TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA

Anonymous Rita Mon, Oct 12 2009 12:57 CET

In next ten years you will see Big Albania , which will unite all albanian territories.
Sleep tight...

Anonymous rita Mon, Oct 12 2009 12:54 CET

OMG , you people , the truth hearts sometimes but this is the truth KOSOVA is independent and it will stay that way. I remeber the times when if you just mentioned KOSOVA is Republic , you would get arrested and who knows what would happened to you . But now times have changed the truth and the freedom can not be stopped foreever

Anonymous Peggy Sun, Oct 11 2009 22:51 CET

Kosovo was never given independence by anyone. US has taken Kosovo for themselves and used Albanians to do so. Albanians don't have independence. They were even told this straight to their face. They were told they only get supervised independence. What does that mean?

It means that they are to be supervised a.k.a. controlled and told what to do.

Bottom line, Kosovo is still a part of Serbia but under temporary occupation by NATO led by the US.

All occupations end soner or later and so will this [...]

Read the full comment one. Kosovo will revert back to Serbian rule. A part of it is already under Serbian rule anyway.

Anonymous George Sun, Oct 11 2009 18:46 CET

Branimir I perfectly understand your words...you are right...the focus should be on international law. I am compelled sometimes to say MORE about the TRUTH which is the reason behind it all. At this time the our energy should be directed on international law which clearly dictates that KOSOVO IS SERBIA. Once it is acknowledged as LAW that Kosovo HAS been, IS and always will BE Serbia as a lawful and legal fact. Then Serbia with accordance to international law move to implement and enforce the law so that may achieve Justice. Take Care Brother :)

Anonymous Agron Forlani Sun, Oct 11 2009 17:35 CET

ncncncnc kako lazu i ostaju zivi .
i see you guys have problem to find the diffrence between truth and lias ..That means you guys belive an that what you write ,sorry but not me ...
for you george and this branem or bosko buha whatever.

Anonymous Branimir Maksimovic Sun, Oct 11 2009 16:11 CET

Well said George, but there is no point in trying to explain the backround picture to many of these people. They simply do not and will not understand. They believe that Republic Kosova is the only reason they are being supported by these nations, who infact are there for there own interests.

The fact is, these pipelines, these interests, these drug routes, which pass from turkey through bulgaria, macedonia, kosovo, albania and montenegro to get to europe will never change. Unfortunatly many of these sad things make the world rotate, thats why they are not mentioned [...]

Read the full comment in the media etc. We need to keep our argument on the basis of international law, which USA France and Britain were all part of , when such laws were put into place.

The balkans is simply a black hole, and the connection from east and west. First it was break up of yugoslavia, which stretched from italy to bulgaria. Which was part one, when they relised by controlling albanian and croatia is not enough, they funded an armed conflict in kosovo, then allowed quick membership for romania and bulgaria into the EU, who to this day have a worse living standard then Serbia. Still there mission was not complete, Macedonia was not controlled, so another armed conflict erupted by external funds and Nato implemeted its control, soldiers and bases on its territory. The adriatic was not in full control by these clans either , Montenegro cut croatia off from albania, So Milo Djukanovic was sponsored and funded to gain independance from Serbia. In this slow but smart process, we finally saw croatia and albania quickly being rushed into Nato. Problem is, we know these things, we see them , because we look for them. But we must stick to our main goal, keeping Kosovo within Serbia by use of all diplomatic means and under the guidance of international law, because thoe interests will not change. So the trick here is, to take there interests into consideration, whilst they take ours aswell, and once we find the middle and a mutual understanding, in no time at all, we will stop listening to Hasim thaci, and Sejdiu, but to Jeremic and Tadic about justice prevailing , but behind the scenes it was all about interests, all the things you mentioned George, but the language we must use is International Law, UN, EU as the secret wording behind the greater picture.

Thats why i mentioned Kosovos land being used for what ever it may be!
As we all know. But, if these things come to ground, and they will not, because the government controls the media, the media controls the people. What we see is a game, a game far greater then Kosovo, that is just the scenario, for the majority. As we are the minority who love the land for other reasons, for reasons money cant buy, and no other heart can feel, but to keep it part of us, we must, play there game. And beat them. So back to international law, Kosovos Self proclamation of indepedance, from the Republic of Serbia who is a member state of the UN is illegal which states under Resolution 1244 that Kosovo and Metohija is legally part of Serbia but administered by the UN. So much to be said, so much which could be said, but the fact is KOSOVO IS SERBIA, which ever way we look at it.

Anonymous George Sun, Oct 11 2009 09:19 CET

utyru

"Don't be naive. US says that Kosovo's independence is legal ?"

YES I would put a BIG question mark on that, especially as it is already guarranteed by the UN's resolution 1244.

Would it say the same if Kosovo was something like Afganistanruled by the Taliban ?

Kosovo government is worst, under the puppet albanian kla terrorist leadership has only turned Kosovo to a hell of murder, rape, kidnapping, drug dealing, arms smuggling and islamic extremism.
President Clinton's special envoy to [...]

Read the full comment the Balkans, Robert Gelbard, described the KLA as, "without any questions, a terrorist group".
The report, the first by the EU's executive body since Kosovo declared independence in February 2008, found that its ethnic albanian leaders had no strategy nor plan to fight organised crime. The report said the justice system lacked the capacity to tackle crimes like human trafficking, and the narcotics trade. In 1997, the kla was recognized by the U.S. as a terrorist organization linked to the drug trade. The NATO occupation of Kosovo responds to US foreign policy objectives. It secures a heavily militarized US zone of influence in Southern Europe. It ensures the militarization of strategic pipeline routes and transport corridors which link Western Europe to the Black Sea. It also protects the multibillion dollar heroin trade, which uses Kosovo and Albania as transit locations for the transshipment of Afghan produced heroin into Western Europe. The kla was set up as a paramilitary group in the mid 1990s. It was a US-NATO sponsored
insurgency. The objective was to destabilize and ultimately break up Yugoslavia. The kla had extensive links to Al Qaeda, which was also involved in military training. Mujahideen mercenaries from a number of countries integrated the ranks of the kla, which was involved in terrorist activities as well as political assassinations. We are not, however, dealing with the usual links of individual Western politicians to criminal syndicates. The relationship is far more sophisticated. Both the EU and the US are using criminal
organizations and criminalized political parties in Kosovo to reach their military and foreign
policy goals. The latter in turn support the interests of the oil companies and defense contractors, not to mention the multibillion dollar heroin trade out of Afghanistan.

Russia says that Kosovo's independence is illegal. Would Russia say the same if Serbia
condemned Russia's actions in Georgia ?

BBC "The war in Georgia last year was started by a Georgian attack that was not justified by international law, an EU-sponsored report has concluded." Russia has the right to defend her citizens from acts of aggression, as does Serbia in Kosovo, Serbia did not condemn Russia's actions as they were justifiable. The EU-sponsored report on the war in Georgia has ruled that provinces do not have the right to secession, thus admitting that the unilateral secession of Kosovo from Serbia was a clear violation of international law. Interesting...it seems Russia has in a subtle way proven that Kosovo's UDI IS illegal after all.

The need for sovereign states to abide by international law is paramount to maintain the structure of cooperation and defend legitimate rights in order to secure diplomacy between
effective parties. If there is no structure then there is no reason for the UN, nor any sort of accountability of nation states, it becomes the law of the jungle. The west's disregard for
international law serves their own illegal cause, which must be considered as war crimes, so your argument is based on sand, in order to justify the illegality and criminal actions of self serving interests. It is important to defend the foundations of an ethical and moral society so that self serving interests can be brought to accountability and deter any future attempt to thwart any actions that undermine sovereign nation states.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA

Anonymous Branimir Maksimovic Sun, Oct 11 2009 08:03 CET

There is a world body, its name is the UN, its founders are its members. Its laws were formed by all great nations, its principles were created taking into account interests of all peoples.

There cannot be more then one law, there cannot be two types of genocide, human rights. Example, how many Iraqis are killed and displaced EVERY DAY, Since 2003, that is 6 years and going. If daily 200 die, times 365 days, times 6 years, that is and should be put down in history as the biggest genocide and mass killing since ww2, [...]

Read the full comment but its not, Srebrenica is.! where 7000 men were killed in a 4 year war, and international laws were used via MEDIA as a weapon so that national interests and the so called human rights could prevail.

International Laws exist, they were created to keep Man at peace as much as possible, but as a nation becomes powerful and gains support of less powerful nations they form a , lets say UNION and with time they become used to control of its people, its supplies , and the overall movement and function of the world.

When they are stopped on this path, by someone who is simply looking for justice, they use what we call reverse phycology, and through media and all channels available to the general public promote what all man will see as just, and that is waging war or going into combat to implement peace and justice and to stop the dissapearance and execution of one or more peoples.

The UN as we know it, was established after ww2. USA did everything against todays international lawss to gain its territory and independance. But back then was simply different, but those same methods are being put into practise today on Kosovo, but it wont work. Because, like i said , powerful nations become used to there power, but other nations become irritated and want there voice to be heard, so another union is formed, like what we see today , Example BRIC soon to be BRICS ,Brazil Russia India China and soon South africa, then we have indonesia , then we have the African powers, Egypt ,Nigeria, Libya and so on, who unfortunatly dont but should have the interests taken into account when world politics are involved, keeping in mind they account for more then 80% of the world population. With time, things not only must change, but will change, its in the natural behavour of man, the instinct to stay alive, the will of the ones treated unjustily to gain the rights they deserve and put into place the rule of law and to bring justice were it belongs.

Kosovo within Serbia is justice, Kosovo as an indepedant state is unjust. The laws are there, the courts are there, if by any chance , the court rules in favour of Kosovos self proclamation of independance being legal within international law, then my friends, what we are heading to is ww3, and mark my words, it will happen. So like , the USA and Russia sat down and calculated that the missile shield in europe is not in anyones interest, they shall also sit down, and relise Kosovos independance is in no ones interest. What America and its allies want from the land of kosov, they can have and bargain with Serbia, but they must sit down and respect the Constitution, the will of the nation, the interests of its neighbours, of hte entire world. All we see today in kosovo, is a military run province, having no law or justice and simply a land used for whatever it is used for.

Kosovo Is Serbia, Kosovo will be Serbia, Serbia is KOSOVO...!!

Anonymous utyru Sun, Oct 11 2009 01:51 CET

Come on guys... do you really think this is a matter of law !!! Don't be naive. US says that Kosovo's independence is legal ? Would it say the same if Kosovo was something like Afganistan ruled by the Taliban ? Russia says that Kosovo's independence is illegal. Would Russia say the same if Serbia condemned Russia's actions in Georgia ? The same arguments goes for most of countries. When deciding whether to call Kosovo's independence legal or illegal, each country considers what's in for them to gain or loose and act accordingly. Of course, when announcing their arguments publicly [...]

Read the full comment US, Russia and their supporters all cite the principles of international law for obvious public relation reasons. But decisions are based on pragmatic reasons and not law principles; such principles are just used to justify decisions already taken to the public and the naives who choose to believe them.

And even if it were a matter of law, you need to consider how international law is created. It's based on the practice of states or customs in international relations. Let's assume that Kosovo's independence is legal based on today's behaviour of states. Very well it may be illegal tomorrow if the same states think so in the future. International law is what states want it to be in a given moment in time. There's no world body to legislate like a parliament and there's no world police to enforce world laws.

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Anonymous George Sat, Oct 10 2009 23:09 CET

Nobody Said,

"If history can tell us anything, It tells us the story of power and how power always fails in the eyes of justice and how every great power vaporised along with it's people. Do not fool yourself, power never lasts and will always fail against justice, because there is a God after all."

I totally agree with that analysis, Russia and China have been and continue to rise in power,
whereas "the power" today are USA, Britian, France, etc. They have definitely failed in the eyes of justice [...]

Read the full comment and their great power is falling continuely until it is vaporised along with it's people because there IS a God who is Just.

"We will insist that international law and UN Security Council decisions be respected and any
unilateral decisions running counter to the UN Charter and OSCE principles be avoided,"

As they have already failed to respect international law and the UN Charter, if they continue to disregard the law then the use of force must be implemented and the Rule of LAW restored.

albania, Beware...

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Anonymous miki Sat, Oct 10 2009 13:44 CET

Agron, agron, you should practice your english before you engage yourself in a debate about the subject completely unfamiliar to you. Albanian secession was powered by two factors: violence and ignorance. I guess you showed everybody your ignorant side (countrys, amin, difrence, suport, you going, infract, becouse !?). Please, let the serious people debate.

BTW, your independence will last only as long as Americans are willing to help you, not a day longer. Enjoy while you can!

Anonymous Nobody Sat, Oct 10 2009 12:15 CET

No, It's not really a matter of conception, take that photo to any psychologist and you'll see, especially that Jeremic guy is not in tune with himself. Anyway, I also do not think that the partnerships with China or Russia are going to role nicely. If history can tell us anything, It tells us the story of power and how power always fails in the eyes of justice and how every great power vaporised along with it's people. Do not fool yourself, power never lasts and will always fail against justice, because there is a God after all. Which is [...]

Read the full comment why Orthodox Nationalism and Slavic Imperialism will also fail miserably.

Anonymous ZMAJ Sat, Oct 10 2009 10:32 CET

Those confident smiling intellectuals are looking like a Devil??!

God help you meet Devil and leard how it looks like!

Anonymous Peggy Sat, Oct 10 2009 04:28 CET

craft

Fri, Oct 09 2009 15:24 CET

OMG they look like Devil!

It's all a matter of perception. To me they look like angels.

Anonymous Branimir Maksimovic Sat, Oct 10 2009 03:17 CET

Many of these comments which are used to favour the independance of kosovo carry no weight with them at all. As was stated many times before, this seccesion is illegal.

Lets not speak of the current simular problems that the 130 nations which do not recognise the illegal unilateral declaration of indepedance, but of the 60 which do. Many of these 60 have far more serious internal problems related in the same way as the one Serbia has. Have a look at Britain, Scotland after 300 years of union with england made major reforms in its [...]

Read the full comment own government leaning towards indepedance, Belgium can not stay the way it is when its northern part is gaining support from its mother nation , Netherlands, for its own state. France has the northern basque region which lies in south france bordering spain. The USA is not worth mentioning, because islands such as Hawaii like stated before and American Samao which is cut from its mother nation Samoa. But the USA is simply a different matter.

In many reasons why these 60 countries recognised this illegal movement is interest which with time always comes back knocking on the door, because man must simply move on living and times simply keep changing, but people only look at the interests of there own time they live in but not in the long term interest of such decisions and wrongful moves.

Out of the 60 nations, 22 simply would not be able to fund there own people, Give them the fundimental things in life (bread and water) because the so heavily relly on France , Britain, USA , Saudi Arabia to stay alive, so i understand why many of them have made such a move and recognised Kosovos independance , without really having understood and researched the broader picture but simply made a decision to stay alive.

In regards to the remaining 130, There may be different reasons, some may be worried of there own seccesion movements, others of the political interests , but few of the religious beliefs. As we all know, Iran and Indonesia will never recognise Kosovo, but we also know they are strong and by constitution Islamic nations. This is not a question of religion, or, national interests for many nations, but simply the respect of international law, of principles between Peoples, of understanding between Nations, the continuation of the human life, to be able to prosper and move forward together on the only planet we can live on.

It way not suit the 7 million albanians living on the balkans or 10 million living on Earth, But unfortunatly they comprimise only a spec of the 6.5 billion others living with and around us, which all have a say and all have there own opinion.

As stated by lavrov and many times before by presidents premiers ministers of all sorts by Nations around the world, This act is illegal. Resolution 1244 was drawn up by all 5 perminent members of the UN and agreed that Kosovo will temporarily be administered by UNMIK untill a long lasting decision is brought forward, it was agreed, also, that Serbia has legal soveirenty over Kosovo , with time it may bring back a small contingent of police to gaurd its people and monuments.

As it once happened at the end of the declining ottoman empire, at the beggining of the 20th century, Turks using albanians Forcefully removed serbs from there own land, which gave the albanians free land left by its serbian rightful owners. This led to a proclamation of independance, which was recognised by turkey and a few other nations, in this time Serbs were left to suffer, having not rights in Europe to follow there christian faith. Eventually , Russia stepped in, as did the british and french, and asked the Retreating Turks to offer support and protection for its Serbian People which still lived under ottoman rule at that time. Like Nato does today, they also protected the Serbain monasteries churches and People from genocide, persecution, harrasment against the Serbian people. With time , there was obviously no other alternative then to step in and help the Serbian people, and once the Turks had left, The Serbian nation state was told they may come into kosovo and rightfully take what is theres, and offer protection for all its citizens. Albanians once the turks left had no support, they used there new islamic religion which they took from the ottomans as a tool for gaining land and power over the native people. This was no longer able once the turks were gone, so things changed. Today, nato is the power, today, Islam has turned there back on them, Like yesterday , tommorow will change, we just simply must allow time, add will and support and things will come back to where they belong.

KOSOVO and METOHIJA, WAS, IS and WILL BE SERBIAN....

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Anonymous vanko Thu, Oct 08 2009 15:10 CET

Kobra - If Kosova is Albanian - then Macedonia is Bulgarian you should add!! The USA has a history of theft - ask Hawaiians if they wanted to be swallowed up as part of the USA. They can no longer afford to live on their own islands

Anonymous Peggy Thu, Oct 08 2009 12:57 CET

Rita wrote,

"Serbias attempt to do anything to prevent new recognitions of Kosovas Indipendence will have a small impact for countries that have seperatizm movements, but not to other countries."

Well, I'm guessing that 62 countries which have recognised you don't have those problems but 130 countries which have not recognised you do have those problems. Why else would 130 not recognise you then. This is your logic not mine.

If majority of the world refuses to recognise you there has to be a better reason than the [...]

Read the full comment one you just stated. Could it be that they actually respect international law and are not law breakers?
Could it be that they don't buy your crap? Could it be a combination of all three, not buying your crap, respect for international law and some have those issues?

Whatever reason it is, it certainly is not in your favour.

Anonymous rita Thu, Oct 08 2009 12:51 CET

Serbias attempt to do anything to prevent new recognitions of Kosovas Indipendence will have a small impact for countries that have seperatizm movements, but not to other countries.
If Serbia or Russia could stop the independence of Kosova , they would do it before it happen , now is too late, there is no step back in this road. Kosova is independent no matter if Serbia likes it or not.
ICJ verdict will be a small obstacle for the new recognitions , but Kosova will be able to overcome these obstacles.

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Anonymous ZMAJ Thu, Oct 08 2009 10:45 CET

It is amazing.., after so many centuries - nobody of you (Albanians) realize with whom you have to deal here.. We didn't come here "to return in Siberia" nor we arrived to ask you for permissions! The shinny spark of your "independence" will dissolve in a Serb sea and Slav ocean - you wanted or not!

Anonymous Mick Thu, Oct 08 2009 10:21 CET

Thank God for Russia! Kosovo is Serbia!!!!!! Glory to Russia

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Anonymous Dajan Thu, Oct 08 2009 04:13 CET

You guys can argue as much as you want that Kosovo is Albains but the law is on our side and never trust America and their bs of freedom

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Anonymous Epaminondas Wed, Oct 07 2009 20:37 CET

Aries: -

" for whom the bell tolls....

it tolls for thee"

Well said !

Serbia, beware....

Anonymous Aries Wed, Oct 07 2009 19:58 CET

Russia showung her support to Serbia concluded a long term loan with the latter 1.5 billion euro. For whom the bell tolls?

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Anonymous Agron Forlani Wed, Oct 07 2009 14:23 CET

Suport from comunist ...from the countrys they have corruption they kill own people etc etc
amin to that.
Huge difrence between democratic state and comunist state .
We have suport from EU USA from the most power state in world .
in next 5 years you going to have heart infract PEGGY becouse of kosova.

Anonymous Peggy Wed, Oct 07 2009 12:54 CET

Russia's and China's support is always welcome.
Don't underestimate the influence these countries have in the world. Their influence and power is growing all the time.

Good partners to have.

I'm sure I will hear all about how undemocratic Russia and China are but at the end of the day it is not going to matter. Power and influence seem to matter because the US has seen fit to violate international law and back K-Albanians in this unlawful venture because they could. Now ten years on, Russia and China have [...]

Read the full comment become stronger and more capable of standing up to US. All this and international law on their side.

Let's see what the next ten years will bring.


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