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Kosovo is an integrated par of Serbia, albanians have persecuted non albanians in Kosovo for over a century. KLA terrorists attacked all non albanians pillaging, killing, raping, kidnapping non albanian men, women and children. Ambushing yugoslavian policemen and soldiers with an agenda to drive non albanians not only from Kosovo, but Montenegro, Macedonia and Greece. In the last 10 years while under KLA terrorist regime more people have been killed, raped and kidnapped than the deade before. UN and EU reports clearly state that Kosovo is now more of a mafia state and a [...]

Read the full comment haven for the drug trade, human trafficking, islamic extremists. DON'T make yourselves out to be the victims when you are FAR from it. Kosovo has no right in the UN as it is a part of Serbia a GUARANTEED by the UN's resolution 1222. It will always be apart of Serbia and the idea that Kosovo will uite with albania will never be internationally accepted, but will only spark war.

KOSOVO IS SERBIA

Kosovari, you are so rightous aren't you? You sound so clever but you forgot that many Serbs went through horrors as well and worse.

How about a little sympathy for Serbian victims?
I know you have none. Are you saying that Serbs did not go through the same horrors or if they did they don't matter because somehow they all deserved it?

Put a sock in it. I am sick and tired of Albanians condemning the Serbs for everything including bad weather. Everyone went through the same horrible war and [...]

Read the full comment everyone is a victim as well. I don't have to go through the war to know that in war everyone suffers so just take your hatred and go away.

Serbs can say the same things as you just did. What do you say to that? How dare you minimize what the others went through but insist that only the Albanians should be treated as victims and felt sorry for.

I was answering to someone else and stated that you cannot dismiss someone's argument simply because they were not there. I gave an example, but if you interpret that as an attack on your brothers, then let it be.

Just remember, there were victims on all sides. I cannot expect you to take that into account now can I.

I really thinkg everyone here needs to get a life and give these descutions a break.

Peggy wrote:
"I know many Albanians always state that if you haven't been to Kosovo you cannot possibly comment on it."

Peggy, all i have to say to you, and you probebly will not fully understand is that when you have experianced war, when you have had your family murdered in front of you, when you had your child rape in fron of you, when you, your family, your friends, and everyone you know [...]

Read the full comment have been treated inhumanely by the serbian military. how do you forget? how do you move on as if that was nothin but a bad nighmare and pretend everything is OK between serbs and Kosovars? I don't care who you are, this is not something you forget. As the famous saying goes, "time heals people but does not make them forget". So to get back to the topic at hand is that Kosovo's independece will NEVER GO BACK, that's a FACT.

take care, and please try to stay on topic.

Epaminondas, I don't see what difference it makes if I have been to Serbia or not.
My information does not come from Serbia but from many different sources so being there or not is irrelevant.

I know many Albanians always state that if you haven't been to Kosovo you cannot possibly comment on it. I hope you are not trying to imply the same thing about whether I can comment on Serbia or not.

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Read the full comment I really don't see what has this got to do with anything we comment on here.

Well, Peggy, the short answer to your repeated query about ANZAC day is that you and another Australian correspondent were saying radically different things.

Only after much correspondence did it emerge that you and he were in fact talking about two different States of Australia (Victoria and Queensland) where ANZAC practice was different.

This was a satisfactory explanation, but it took a long time to emerge. (You must remember that those of us in the Northern Hemisphere do not have the intimate knowledge of Australia's State structure that you do.)
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It would have been helpful if you had made it clear at the outset that you were talling about the State of Victoria and not about Australia as a whole.

I hope this makes things sufficiently clear now. Meanwhile, you have never answered my repeated question about whether you have actually been to Serbia yourself. If you expect others to answer your own questions immediately, you might at least return them the same favour !

Epaminondas, sure just because someone disagrees with me doesn't mean that the dislike me but you have gone out of your way to twist my words and look for any way possible to suggest that I have lied.

This is not just disagreeng with me but a clear indication of your desire to either make me look stupid or a liar.
What exactly do you disagree with me on that I have not proven I was right? We had a very lengthy discussion on Anzac day march which you tried your best to dismiss [...]

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We haven't really had any "heated" debate about anything esle.
Do tell me where I was wrong which warrants people getting hostile about.

if kosovo is serbia, than all people who live there, who clearly say are not serbs but Albanians must be refuges.through out history there is no record of mass immigration from Albania into kosovo therefore it must be that these people are in their own lands and are Albanians .like saying they are Albanians they could easily say they are serbs BUT THEY DONT.
But do know for sure that serbs are slavs and came to Balkans.i have never heard of ALBANIANS COMING TO BALKANS FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.so clearly serbs are the immigrants and should be talked into [...]

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Peggy - contrary to what you seem to think, I did NOT say that you deserved rude responses because you occasionally post in a slightly heated way, in response to provocation.

Read what I said carefully, and you will see this.

In UK English, "isn't always that polite" doesn't mean "rude", it just means "occasionally heated".
(Heaven knows what it means in American or Australian !)

Meanwhile, I am about as pro-Albanian as I am pro-Nazi or pro-Pol Pot ! Just because somebody disagrees with you [...]

Read the full comment does not mean that they dislike you, or that they are emotionally wedded to the cause they advocate.

Try to be a little less "binary" in your approach: life isn't all black or white, but often exists in shades of grey !

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" to USA - I don't entirely disagree with you about the Serbs, but could you perhaps express yourself a bit more politely ? Peggy for one does not - understandably - like being called rude names, even though what she posts isn't always that polite."


Epaminondas, are you actually comparing my posts to the ones in which people are vulgar and tell me to go and do certain things? People like Agron.
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Read the full comment I deserve those responses because I am not always polite?
Sir, if you read carefully, you will see that I have responded impolitely only after I have been attacked in some way but NEVER in a vulgar fashion, therefore I do not appreciate you saying that I deserve those sort of respones.

Actually I have been told to go and "pusi mi ...." after I have said that I hope the victim of the bashings who died later rests in peace and that we do not need such people around. Now there is nothing impolite about that.
Those vulgar statements have been deleted, but I think you might've seen them anyway, and yet you are now saying that somehow I deserve what I got.

I know you dislike me very much and I have never responded to you in an unacceptable way but abstain from using me as an example of my impoliteness when there are plenty of really good examples for you to choose from. Could the problem be that they are Albanians who give you plenty of these examples and since you are so pro Albanian you cannot bring yourself to show them up for what they are?

to USA - I don't entirely disagree with you about the Serbs, but could you perhaps express yourself a bit more politely ? Peggy for one does not - understandably - like being called rude names, even though what she posts isn't always that polite.

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Balkanac wrote; "Even Wikipedia did not recognise you fully."

First, "wikipedia" is not an academic source.

Second, you know how the saying goes "Rome was not build in one day". so give it sometime and more states will recognitions Kosovo ;)

the whole idea behind Serbia taking Kosovo to the ICJ is to justify their recognition of Kosovo to the Serbian people, we all know what that the ICJ will support Kosovo's independence and that's the reality.

Some of the Serbs here say "look [...]

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take care...

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Peggy - sorry: just noticed.

You can't really complain about my mis-spelling "krava" as "korova", if you then post about << hitting a herve>>, as you do below.

Hitting a herve is quite an interesting concept, and goes back to Anglo-Saxon England, when a <<herve>> was a kind of serf, inferior to a <<carl>>, but superior to an <<serf>>. The Lord of the Manor (sometimes a Baron, sometimes a mere Earl) had the right to smite, or hit, any or all of them as he felt motivated to do at the time. [...]

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This was called subsequently << The Cradle of English Democracy >>, and led to Magna Carta in 1216, whereby the Barons/Earls could dismiss the King. Somehow the herves, serfs and carls rather missed out on all this, but that didn't matter as they didn't have any votes or arms, and didn't get them for the next 600 years.

Peggy - one tiny suggestion. If you're going to quote from someone else' posting inside your own, it can be helpful if you use quotation marks to "enclose" the quote, otherwise it can be rather hard to tell where the quote starts and ends and your text begins.

Some people prefer to use European-style quotation marks << >> rather than English-style ones " ", as this can be clearer on-screen (especially on this particular site !)

Agron, sei un testa di cazzo

Agron,halt endlich mal die Schnauze

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There's a certain amount of personal rudeness towards Peggy creeping in here. She is quite entitled to state her views, however right or wrong they might be, and they merit a reasoned and courteous reply.

Well, nany agree with me.
You're right about some here being vulgar ony to me.
Could it be because I am telling them the truth, therefore hitting a herve?

You know the saying "don't shoot [...]

Read the full comment the messenger". Since clearly I have never been vulgar here to anyone that has to be the only reason these Albanians are spewing so much venom at me. Why else would be start with what Agron is saying?

One thing is for sure. People without arguments and sense resort to such vulgarities. You can tell a lot about someone by the way they speak to others. I guess, with so many children to bring up their parents just don't have the time to teach them all right from wrong (providing they know themselves).

Oh come on, Agron, this is known to be an English-language site. So please repeat what you have just said in English (ou bien en francais, en cas de necessite).

Povtorite, pozhaluste, v jaziku angliiskim (just in case you understand Russian better )

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This is the last what I am goining to say: Kosovo is not independent. The do depend in a lot ways of different countries!

Is Kosovo a part of Serbia? Yes in some way, it is? But Belgrade has nothing to say in Pristina. So I can not conclude that Kosovo is still a part of Serbia.

But even Pristina has nothing to say in some regions of Kosovo. Look at the situation in Kosovska Mitrovica...Belgrade is still ruling there!

What will give the future us? I do [...]

Read the full comment not know. Look at the history and you van see that Balkan was a crossway. Different nations, different religions, different backgrounds!

Do we have to hate each other? Or do we have to respect each other?

Respect is the best way. So I am appologising for some of my stupid reactions. But the most of your reactions are also wrong. Some time, not long ago, we did live together in peace.

Can we live as neightbours whith a lot of respect towards eachother? I do not ask forgivennis, but I do ask some more respect!!!

Come on Albanian people! Do awake! Kosovo is in your eyes independent? OK, let it be. But in what way you are joining the different worldgroups? With some groups you are recognised (Moniteryfound and NATO), but in the others you are still a part of Serbia. Even Wikipedia did not recognise you fully.

SO the facts are: you still are not and indepenent country, because you do depend on different countries.

Will you ever participate UN? NO! Russia and China will use theire veto. So say goodbuy to FIFA, UEFA, FIBA etc. [...]

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Will you ever participate the EU? NO! Spain, Greece and Romania will use there veto.

So. Are you reale independent???

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You Albanian realy think that KosovO is an independent nation? In what way you are independent? Are you participating in the UN? Are your football teams participate UEFA? Are you goining for the qualification for the EURO 2012? Do you have an own passport which you can you in all countries in the world? Or do you still use the Serbian passport for travelling? Haha...

And you are independent? You are realy joking me.

Look at the facts. About 60 countries did recognize your independancy, but 139 did NOT recognize you. And [...]

Read the full comment they will not recognize you, never. The recognising was based on the American preasur on different countries. But the policy of Clinton and Buch jr is history. Today we have to deal with Obama...and I can promis you that there are coming better days in the relionship between USA and Serbia.

Did you ever read about George Voinovich? He is one of the major senators of Obama...he is a Serb (Djordje Vojinovic). Read some things about him on the internet and you will understand by letter.

So...you wanted to be independent? Sorry but we, Serbs, do not agree with that. A shame for you we have the support of the most countries in the world (the most mulsim countries did even not recognize your indepenency), with Russia, Spain, Greece, Bosnia, Romania and China we have more then a half world population who is supporting us. Not you, but us.

This are the facts.

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to clarify previous comment, kosovo independence = U.S. orchestrated fiasco

I agree with antonio... albanians are the only people in the world in de facto posession of two separate states. i thought the age of imperialism and colonialism was long gone. this just reflects the US policy of bull****... some time ago they were best buddies with sadam husein when they goaded him to attack iran, couple of years ago they publicly hanged him..middle ages style... lol no end to bull

If I understood well, Kosovars are actually Albanians. How come they got Kosovo for themselves if they have they own country? Are we witnessing the very creation of another "Greater ______ (fill the blank) Balkan nationalistic state"? They should never get the place in UN.

Balkanac is the true face of Srbija. Or maybe he had lots of Sljivovica.

And why do I call your Albanian people shit. It's because of the fact that your ministers are former criminals. Once a criminal, always a criminal? You may answer.

Fact number two is that Albania has the most criminal distributions in Europe. The distribution of drugs, weapons, organs (mostly from killed Serbs)...

Do I have to say more?

ZIVELO PRAVOSLAVLJE!

UBI ZAKOLJI DA SIPTAR NEPOSTOJI!

ZIVELA SRBIJA!

ZIVELO SRPSKO KOSOVO!

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The sooner the Serbs go back to Siberia the better off the whole of the Balkans will be.

The sooner the Serbs go back to Siberia the better off the whole of the Balkans will be.

Peggy, dont flatter youself. People are free to give their opinion. I know that yuo dont like comments agianst yours but hey.

BTW, how do we know that you are not the same person posting comment under differnet names.Pathetic

Castserb, you're right. I see the same comments (under different names dometimes, but still the same people) all over. They are on different sites but when I post a comment they come out screaming how I dare to post on other sites too.
They give themselves permission to write whatever they want, where ever they want but dare we do similar they demand we stop and try to chase us away with pitchforks and torches.

The truth remains. They were NOT invited to General Assembly, but only in other areas of the UN and [...]

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The truth is not tolerated by Albanians because it does not serve them.
So, anyone telling the truth is abused instantly and vulgarity comes out in them. These vulgar comments were removed by the moderator but they were here long enough to be seen by all who post here.

Epaminondas, who claims to be fair and open minded has not commented once about the vulgar insults that were directed at me. I don't need him to defend me but all I am trying to say here is the hypocracy of Albanians and their supporters. Abuse can be so easily tolerated by these Albanian supporters when it is directed at Serbs or Serb supporters and yet they claim that we are the uncivilised ones.

So much hate from Serbian side. Not suprising, taking into consideration the number of people killed by Serbs in Balkans 1990-99. Yet some have guts to speak about comments of others i.e. slovens, croats, bosnians and albanians.

Serbs have to understand that Albanians have become equal partner and are no longer under their boot. Once this is done than we can talk about other things. Meanwhile, Serbia can stop crying since it is becomin nuisance to International Community.

Pathetic, I see these Albanian hate mongers on all the blogs with the same rubbish. At the end what kind of nation survives that has hate as the core of it's existence. Peggy and the rest, I wouldn't even bother commenting on this anymore. There is no value in empowering them to draw you into a debate. That's what they want, namely to be taken seriously. As the US declines so will they dissapear. Nations are more than just demarkation lines imposed by others. Time will do it's thing as usual

Pathetic, I see these Albanian hate mongers on all the blogs with the same rubbish. At the end what kind of nation survives that has hate as the core of it's existence. Peggy and the rest, I wouldn't even bother commenting on this anymore. There is no value in empowering them to draw you into a debate. That's what they want, namely to be taken seriously. As the US declines so will they dissapear. Nations are more than just demarkation lines imposed by others. Time will do it's thing as usual

you al talk like shit.. my grandparrents and they parrents and they parrents are from kosovo..like 400 years.. now i dont have familie over there..the graves are disstured..dont talk kosovo is albanian.. kosovo and metohija is srbska

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Tim said - "Albania is Kosovo’s motherland" – if yes - show me anything build by Albanians that is older than the orthodox churches in Kosovo build by Serbians. If you would visit the place you would understand that Kosovo is motherland of Serbia. I just don’t understand having double standards in the international politics – what about Palestine or Ossetia? Why one is legal other is illegal.

This discussion seems to be going round in circles. Can anybody try to summate ?

Vuk Jeremic has nothing to do with Kosova anymore. and is not his business anymore where the fuk Albanians go. all he needs to know is , not to enter in ALbanian territory without licking at least 10 ALbanian dicks first. Serbia liked the idea of a great Serbia Yugosllavia, they have to live with Albanian desires now.

Well, Russia and China will block Kosovo's entry into UN. Time to stop this nonsense. International law is much more important then Kosovo!

Albania is Kosovo’s motherland, like it or not Serbians and of course they will invite the Kosova representatives to the UN. Had they not done so, the USA would have, or England, Germany, France, or Italy, or even Croatia.
Whether you like it or not, Kosova Albanians have no intention of ever living under Slavic domination. One full century under Serbian control and all we have to show is persecutions, expulsion’s, imprisonment, beatings, murders, unemployment, literacy…etc.
It was a form of slavery of the 20th century, and finally enough was enough, especially after all the misery [...]

Read the full comment we suffered from years of 1980 to 1999. The world got to see the savage that Serbia truly was, as they once again unleashed their murderous armies and missionaries into Kosovo to ethnically cleanse the 2.2 million Albanians living there. The mass expulsions were of holocaust extravaganza, as the world leaders and the world population could not believe their own eyes, as news was being broadcast of what was happening on Kosovo in 1998-1999.
Let us never forget those images, and the savagery of Serbians responsible for those atrocities just a decade ago.
The 21st century has brought Kosovo new hope, a new country, a new “Republic of Kosovo”, and it shall NEVER be taken away from us again.
I would like to thank all the countries that support The Republic of Kosova.

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Serbia is a Joke!! A laughing stock within the international community. Keep repeating it over and over again Kosovo is serbia lol what a joke. What a shot of laughter! lol that's why you have no authority there. That's why there are foreign troops there. thats why you go around the world to places like Algeria & Kenya Groveling and begging for them not to recognize it! lol what a shining disgrace you people are. You should all stand together the losers of the world Serbia, North Korea, Iran, Sudan & Libya.

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Besi, Serbia will be in the Balkans long after Albanians are gone. Your people are nomads - living off of others' accomplishments, and achievements. What have the Albanians ever done for the good of anybody?I challenge anyone to answer. Will it be the Mother Theresa example, again? Albanians follow others, they do not lead. They never have, and never will. Look at Albania and A_Kosovo, in both cases things were given to them, they achieved nothing on their own. How proud can you be of that, Albanians? Anyway, your people will be gone from the Balkans one day soon, you [...]

Read the full comment will follow some other stronger nation for profit, but you will eventually exterminate yourselves - and no one will care.

Sejdiu is a criminal of international law, and that's that!

Kosovo is Serbia.
Under international law-the end!
These left wing crazy people can just spread hate.

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@Peggy & Darin Rack--- Serbia didnt get bombed for trying to make a "greater serbia" they got bombed for killing thousands of innocent men women and children. that was a very outrageous comment from both of you. keep in mind that many leaders of former yugoslavia are in prison, and only three or four albanians. i am certaintly not denying that us albanians may have took revenge a very few serbs but the hague courts show who the real scum, and murders of the balkans are.

@France (who is likely not french)

What does Albania's support of the republic of Kosovo have to do with a 'greater albania'?

What serbia did with IT'S very real greater serbia scheme was attempt to Dominate what was Yugoslavia... primarily Their FELLOW slavs.

your feeble attempt to try and draw some kind of parallel is idiotic.

@Giovanni

poor serbs?

let's see, croatia, bosnia,Kosovo,slovenia,macedonia,montenegro ALL of whom sought to escape serbia... albanians and fellow slavs alike.

oh how delightful it would have been had serbs built a wall around themselves instead of exporting there delusions of grandeur on all of their neighbors.

that the best friends serbia can find are those that live nowhere near them, Serbia, my sad little apologist is what you can call scum.

nice ..maybe serbia can share UN passes with oliver ivanovic from (soon to be partioned)north kosovo..or dodik from RS Bosnia and russia can allow leaders from ossetia access to the UN or armania give access to the kurds..sure lets turn clear lines into dotted ones .. UN answered what happened but not it will do to stop this from turning into a complete circus...its all relative.. as is beauty in the eye of the beholder so is what's considered independent..and all those above mentioned places feel as independent as kosovars !!!

Oh Peggy you have to go e learn some history my dear.Please don't write comments about something that you haven't got knowledge at all. How on earth can you comment on the non existence of albanian people in Kosova.

Like it or not Kosova is not Serbia.Kosova was and is going to remain Albanian land forever.

Dont forget that Serbia was kicked out from UN once becouse of commited crimes.

Epaminondas, now that you made your statement are you trying to say that this is what should happen in this case?

Unification of Germany is not the same as this. Kosovo was never Albanian land no matter how much they tell us it was.

There is no proof of that. There is plenty of proof of Serbian existance on it but where is the Albanian proof?
Besides, according to the article, team Kosovo had passes to certain parts of the building NOT the GA and certainly not given permission to [...]

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If they were present at GA then they were gate crashers.

For the children here who refer to me as Piglet. GROW UP if you want to be taken seriously.

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You serbs can go back to russia.All your propoganda,nationalism got you guys knowhere.You serbs massacered bosnians croats albanians and god knows whatelse and you guys complain about land, religion and ethnicities. The WHOLE WORLD knows how brainwashed and what kind of butchers you serbs are. Everyone is sick and tired of serbia you guys are the laughing stock of europe.How dare you guys even open your mouths you should be shamed you guys lost like what 6 states in a few years LOL. Get a life losers.

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sigh...

"Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic said that "this step violates the rights of the UN"

have to love deluded serbian logic.

Honestly, have any of you seen that humorous video of the Kid throwing a mindless temper tantrum because his mommy cancelled his World of Warcraft account?

there you have it.

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I feel sorry for you Peggy. You have no sense of reality and no imagination. And if you read the article, it does not say anywhere that Kosovars were gate crashers or any other nonsense like you claim. Ban-Ki-Moon clearly states that UN members could invite guests and those guests could be anyone. So why even protest the presence of Kosovo leaders if they didn't break any rules by being at the UN? Serbia is a cry wolf, I wish a day that Serbia would pack up and leave the balkans. Then we would have long lasting peace.

UN is not a theatre or a concert hall where one can invite friends, but is supposed to be of the highest international stance. It is obvious that Albania (by inviting fellow Albanians from Kosovo) did not respect the rule. At the same time, it is a serious warning to the international community that Albania is on the way to making a Greater Albania. To remind, Serbia was bombed by the NATO countries because of a so-called 'Greater Serbia'.

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serbs cying wolf...what's new?
p.s. where's mladic?

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Whats ironic to me is you here K-Albanians constantly say they will never live in Serbia again due to what they have been through. Ok, what about Serbs in Croatian Krajina, or Croats, Serbs OR Muslims in Bosnia. The fact is that in Kosovo, there was the LEAST amount of people killed and the war was the shortest. Yet, the Albanians complain about what they lived through but compared to Bosnia it was a walk in the park. My opinion is that the international communitity should EITHER allow Serbia to take back what is rightfully theirs or partition it so [...]

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The bottom line is that even if the ICJ recognizes Kosovos right to independence, Serbia will still oppose it. They will still use rhetoric. The bottom line is that Kosovo will never be a part of Serbia. 90% of Kosovo will NEVER accept that. not after what they have been threw. If Serbia continues to oppose independence, and by some stoke of luck succeeds, Kosovo will only unite with Albania(a NATO member) and that will be final, all UN nations have already recognized Albania. Serbia is not thinking about the future. They don't know what they are doing. They are [...]

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"The United Nations did not give permission to the Kosovo representatives to enter the room of the General Assembly," Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon’s spokesperson Brandon Varma said.

Does this make Kosovo delegation gate crashers then?

Don't these people have any sense of pride? Reduced to handouts from their Albanians brothers from Albania. Handouts like permits to wait in halls and try to grab a president or two on his way somewhere else for a quick chat.
According to Kosovo media, their people had talks with over 80 heads of state. [...]

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Seeing how they had to wait in a hallway how on earth did they get to talk to so many of them? I guess they got some cornered in toilets as well.