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Kosovo ‘will have more allies’ than Serbia at ICJ – report
A Kosovo worker walks on construction bars to build bridges in a new road that will link capital Pristina with its international airport, September 16 2009.
Kosovo will have more countries on its side than Serbia when the International Court of Justice begins hearings in the case on the question of Kosovo’s self-declared independence, media in Pristina said on September 18 2009.
The court case is the result of a 2008 United Nations General Assembly resolution initiated by Serbia, which rejects Kosovo’s February 2008 unilateral declaration of independence as illegal.
September 17 saw the passing of the deadline for applications by countries to take part in public argument in the International Court of Justice, which will begin on December 1 2009.
All United Nations countries are eligible to participate in publicly presenting their arguments in court.
The first part of the court process has already passed, with the receipt of submissions to the court by countries.
Submissions already filed and the list of countries that have applied to take part in the public debate in the International Court of Justice thus far have been confidential, but the court is expected to reveal these at a later stage of its proceedings, possibly at the time of the public debate.
As may well be expected, both Serbia and Kosovo – the latter not a UN member – will be participating in the International Court of Justice public debate process, with Kosovo media reports saying that it will be represented by its foreign minister, Skender Hyseni, supported by an international legal team.
Serbian news agency Tanjug said on September 18 that Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic had said that all five permanent members of the UN Security Council would take part in the public hearing at the International Court of Justice.
Of the five permanent members of the UNSC, the United States, United Kingdom and France recognise Kosovo as independent; Russia and China reject its claim of independence.
Meanwhile, leaders of Serbia and of Kosovo continue to prepare for discussion of Kosovo in the forthcoming UN General Assembly session.
Kosovo president Sejdiu and foreign minister Hyseni will be in New York from September 22 to 29, lobbying for support in the General Assembly debate.
On September 17, Pristina-based Koha Ditore said that UN missions representing the Quint countries – the US, UK, Germany, France and Italy – along with Albania had helped set up meetings in New York for Sejdiu and Hyseni.
In the General Assembly debate, Serbian president Boris Tadic and foreign minister Tadic will be continuing their campaign against any further countries recognising Kosovo.
The court case is the result of a 2008 United Nations General Assembly resolution initiated by Serbia, which rejects Kosovo’s February 2008 unilateral declaration of independence as illegal.
September 17 saw the passing of the deadline for applications by countries to take part in public argument in the International Court of Justice, which will begin on December 1 2009.
All United Nations countries are eligible to participate in publicly presenting their arguments in court.
The first part of the court process has already passed, with the receipt of submissions to the court by countries.
Submissions already filed and the list of countries that have applied to take part in the public debate in the International Court of Justice thus far have been confidential, but the court is expected to reveal these at a later stage of its proceedings, possibly at the time of the public debate.
As may well be expected, both Serbia and Kosovo – the latter not a UN member – will be participating in the International Court of Justice public debate process, with Kosovo media reports saying that it will be represented by its foreign minister, Skender Hyseni, supported by an international legal team.
Serbian news agency Tanjug said on September 18 that Serbian foreign minister Vuk Jeremic had said that all five permanent members of the UN Security Council would take part in the public hearing at the International Court of Justice.
Of the five permanent members of the UNSC, the United States, United Kingdom and France recognise Kosovo as independent; Russia and China reject its claim of independence.
Meanwhile, leaders of Serbia and of Kosovo continue to prepare for discussion of Kosovo in the forthcoming UN General Assembly session.
Kosovo president Sejdiu and foreign minister Hyseni will be in New York from September 22 to 29, lobbying for support in the General Assembly debate.
On September 17, Pristina-based Koha Ditore said that UN missions representing the Quint countries – the US, UK, Germany, France and Italy – along with Albania had helped set up meetings in New York for Sejdiu and Hyseni.
In the General Assembly debate, Serbian president Boris Tadic and foreign minister Tadic will be continuing their campaign against any further countries recognising Kosovo.
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I am saying that there are thousands of Serbs missing or killed around Vukovar. Some so viciously killed as has not been seen since the last time Ustashi roamed the lands. There are countless documentations of the gruesome culling of Serbs that took place. Just as almost 4000 Serbs civilians were massacred by Naser Oric and his band of cutthroats surrounding Srebrenica. There are many open questions regarding Srebrenica and Vukovar. But these days it's not popular for Serbs to be victims.
Some victims of Srebrenica that were counted as dead, appeared and voted in the Bosnian elections [...]
Read the full comment the following year. And the amount of bodies exhumed from the grave have as evidence only been in the hundreds. Whereas the western media have always play with the numbers.
And this monument in Bosnia inscribed with ARABIC script, what does it mean. Republican Policy Committee report entitled "Clinton-approved Iranian arms transfers help turn Bosnia into militant Islamic base" which clearly states that it was jihad fighters, most of them from Arabic countries, that America was arming.
George - are you seriously trying to tell me that the mass graves around Vukovar and Srebrenice are SERBIAN ones ? I have personally seen them both - the Muslim memorial at Srebrenice and the Catholic one at Vukovar do not suggest to me that these mass graves are Serbian Orthodox, unless Serbs are content to be buried under Muslim or Croatian Catholic memorials. Doesn't sound to me to be very likely somehow....
I am afraid your statement fails the Historical Probability Test....it probably also fails the Historical Veracity test, but I haven't personally carried out [...]
Read the full comment an exhumation, so I can't apply that test yet.
However, your statement clearly passes the "Wishful Thinking in Defiance of All The Evidence test...
George II
Sorry you find it difficult to read and understand, I will try to explain it for you. I was referring to the non existant mass graves in Kosovo, which the western governments and their corporate/media propaganda outlets claimed to have existed. Indeed a good example about a lot of the propaganda and lies promoted during the civil war in Yugoslavia. Oh and yes...I do remember all those thousands of innocent Serbian men, women and children tortured, raped and murdered by croat/muslim forces re-continuing their old nazi agenda of genocide around Vukovar and Srebrenica. [...]
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George - are you by any chance referring to the mass graves in Vukovar and Srebrenice ?
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serbia is land of evil and war criminals.
"Ten years ago we were arming and equipping the worst elements of the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan - drug traffickers, arms smugglers, anti-American terrorists…Now we're doing the same thing with the KLA, which is tied in with every known middle and far eastern drug cartel. Interpol, Europol, and nearly every European intelligence and counter-narcotics agency has files open on drug syndicates that lead right to the KLA, and right to Albanian gangs in this country."
former DEA agent and author Michael Levine
Quoted in the New American Magazine, May 24, 1999
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Read the full comment Serb forces were engaging kla terrorists who were launching attacks on serbs and non albanians civilians. albanian population enjoyed as a minority more benefits than any soveriegn nation would grant. The goal though was a greater albania including from other balkan regions. US pushed a NATO intervention merely for it's own self interests, the energy pipeline, military base, and it's geo-political influence.
Republic of Serbia as a member state of the UN, it's sovereignty and territorial integrity has been guaranteed by the Constitutional Charter and reaffirmed by the UNSC Resolution 1244. International law does not recognise a right to unilaterally create a new state based on the principle of self-determination outside the colonial context and apartheid.
IF you say Resolution 1244 doesn't apply because FRY doesn't exist anymore then that's the same as saying Serbia doesn't have honour all the preambles within R1244.
Serbia’s oppression of Kosovo’s people in 1998 lead to NATO’s intervention that lead to The Resolution 1244 and The UN administrating Kosovo based on the founded laws of 1244. One particular law founded in the Resolution 1244 states that UN and NATO will give Kosovo substantial autonomy within the FRY (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) until Kosovo is able to sustain economic, social and political stability in the region. It continues to say that when the UN’s standards are met, Kosovo can then hold talks with FRY for further autonomy or possible Independence. However, Montenegro declaring independence from Serbia in June [...]
Read the full comment 3, 2006 was in fact the last symbol and the complete breakup of the FRY. Due to the breakup of the FRY, the reference to the FRY in Charter 1244 is not synonymous to a reference Serbia alone. In other words Serbia cannot represent the Federation of Yugoslavia becuase it simply does not exist. Kosovo of course like any other would, took advantage of this situation and declaired independence. The current Serbian government well knows that the court will be Kosovos side and then the Serbian government can turn to Serbia's citizens and say "Look we did everything we can and we have lost the fight"...and go on blaming Milosovic to maintain their support for the next election.
Sorry, I was right about USSR /CIS but not entirely right about Serbia. Corrected text follows:
<<<International convention since the end of the Cold War has come to distinguish two distinct circumstances where such privileges are sought by such a successor state, in only the first of which may such successor states assume the name or privileged international position of their predecessor. The first set of circumstances arose at the dissolution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) in 1991. One of this federation's constituent republics, the Russian Federation was declared the USSR's successor state [...]
Read the full comment on the grounds that it contained just under 60 % of the population of the USSR and a larger majority of its territory. In consequence, it acquired the USSR's seat as a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council. (See Russia and the United Nations.)
This resolution was in sharp contrast to the manner in which the United Nations dealt with the claim of the federation of Serbia and Montenegro to be recognised as the continuation of the state of Yugoslavia (albeit as the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia as opposed to the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia). These two republics shared in common less than half of the population and territory of the former federation and the UN refused to allow the new federation to sit in the General Assembly of the United Nations under the name of 'Yugoslavia'. Thus followed over a decade where the state was referred to uneasily as the Former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (FFRY) >>
Sorry folks, but Adam is being a bit "in denial" in the veracity department.
The "Successor State" issue was thoroughly ventilated and decided in 1991/92 with the break-up of the Soviet Union into the Confederation of Independent States (CIS - the US terms them NIS for some obscure reason), or Sodruzhestvo Niezavisimikh Gosudartv in Russian. After long international negotiations behind the scenes, Russia (or the Russian Federation, strictly speaking) emerged as the Successor State. Without a war, it has to be said.
The same model was followed with the break-up of Federal [...]
Read the full comment Yugoslavia (or Federativna Republika Jugoslavija), whereby Serbia/Montenegro retained the Jugoslav name and the Successor State international rights. It only lost the name when Montenegro seceded much later on, but still retained / retains Successor State international rights.
Sorry to be a bit prescriptive, but I know of what I speak, as I was in the British Foreign Office at the time.
england
Wed, Sep 30 2009 23:47 CET
re these the same serbs that killed milions of bosnians and croats. in the 20th century worst then what the germans did to the jews. serbs dot like any one apart from themselfs they will kill all their neighbours if they could savages as far as i am concerned
You do like to exhaggerate don't you.
Serbs did worse than Nazis? How about you present some credible evidence to this because if you don't I'm sure [...]
Read the full comment Adam will pull you up on it and say that it's only your says so. Maybe not. He like the lies you guys write. He only doesn't like the truth.
I'm sure you have confused Serbs with Croats. You see, it was the Croats who killed around 700,000 Serbs, Roma and Jews in one camp alone. Imagine what they did throughout the whole century.
Again, please check your facts and please do present some sort of evidence to back up your claim.
Everyone has heard of Jasenovac so my claim is backed up already.
It is an undisputed international law and fact that kosovo is an integrated territory of Serbia as guarranteed by the UN's resolution 1244. Therefore as Kosovo being a part of Serbia, albanians are a minority. For over a century it is a recognisable fact that albanians have conducted a campaign of ethnic cleansing and genocide. albanian language is the only non indo-euro language in europe and clearly demonstrates that they have only existed in the balkans for the last few centuries. Evidence supports that they were a nomad tribe from the caucasus mountains brought to the balkans by the ottoman [...]
Read the full comment empire.
This current ILLEGAL OCCUPATION by western forces have shown that the U.S.A who are the main architects of this hidden agenda disregard and mock any rule of international law. Under this OCCUPATION Kosovo is now a haven for islamic terrorists, drug smugglers and human traffickers. albanian kla crime syndicates while smuggling heroin from U.S nato OCCUPIED Afghanistan to Europe, are also giving islamic extremists a clear and safe passage in to Europe. KLA elements throught out Eastern Europe are kidnapping women and girls as young as eight bringing them to Kosovo to service nato troops, un workers, and selling them to pimps all over Europe.
The EU and any country which supports this banana republic loses credibilty, and oozes a portrait of extreme corruption and degradation of integrity amongst their officials. The U.S.A stands on the edge of total economic collapse and will unleash a domino effect to many of her allies due to it's policy of U.S supreme hegemony over the world and it's geopolitical self serving influence. No doubt the world will soon dramatically change and the western nations might have to answer for many of it's wrong doings.
Kosovo will always be a part of Serbia, the crimes that have been conducted in Kosovo in particular in the last decade will have to be answered for. Under a puppet albanian kla terrorist leadership has only turned Kosovo to a hell of murder, rape, kidnapping, drug dealing, arms smuggling and islamic extremism. With the treatment of Kosovos non albo-ethnics it clearly demonstrates albanian genetic links to their nazi fascist past with a mentality of continuing their policy of ethnic cleansing.
re these the same serbs that killed milions of bosnians and croats. in the 20th century worst then what the germans did to the jews. serbs dot like any one apart from themselfs they will kill all their neighbours if they could savages as far as i am concerned
@peggy
my, what a riveting and enlightening response.
poor hatefull creature. im afraid your usual "argument" that essentially boils down to a "because i say so" ... while amusing, does nothing but provide confirmation.
Serbia is NOT a successor to the former sfry. In as Much as poor serb apologists desperately depend on propagating that fallacy in propaganda... It wont help serbia a whit in any court of Law.
i think that is ridiculus that serbia wants to have kosovo again.
You can not controll 2 mil people.
If Kosovo becomes part of serbia,
will their people benefit from this,
of course not .
So it is non sence for someone saying that kosovo is serbia.
Kosovo belongs to the people who live there.
Adam, you are dead set an idiot.
Not only are you wrong but talking like a stupid kid here is really making you look ridiculous.
I am not a hateful person. It's just that I don't want to suffer fools.
Now go away and speak to someone else like you do. You might come across someone who will actually understand you.
@peggy
Yes peggy, The republic of Serbia IS NOT the successor state of the Former Yugoslavia.
By former Yugoslavia, i do not speak of milosovics Jokeslavia.
The Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia was an original Member of the United Nations in 1945...
it is still mindboggling that you people are still so self deluded that you dont understand that Serbia is NOT a successor state of it.
first you hid your new state behind the name Yugoslavia...UNRECOGNIZED as the former [...]
Read the full comment yugoslavia's successor state, then renamed to serbia and montengro, and then after montenegro split you finally finally became the proud state of the republic of serbia today... in 2006
It is reality. there is no source to reference other than the UN says so.
@peggy
hi peggy! it's ok peggy, i know you are an angry hatefull person and cant help yourself. I know what i say angers you... or more to the point, your inablility to posit and argument makes you angry... but you still cannot help but reply. I am already familiar with your "arguments" to whatever it is i said, that consist of nothing but "because you say so's"
Ive said it before, your evasiveness is always amusing, and i usually let your own mindless rants stand as confirmation.
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Read the full comment normally, any response you point my way is so evasive that one cant tell what comment you are actually trying to respond to. but you have broken from the norm this time and piqued my curiosity by saying "I don't need to apologise for anything."
I have never expected anything other than the usual hate and bile from serb apologists... and have never asked you or anyone else to apologise for anything, so i am Quite curious as to what ive said that struck enough of a nerve for you to say that?
"Todays Republic of Serbia is in turn a Successor state of the so-called republic of "Serbia and Montenegro" ... who were Not successors to yugoslavia."
Do you actually believe this? Seriously, do you?
Where did you get your information from? Your yellow press?
Today's Serbia is a successor to Yugoslavia and if you don't like it, you don't just get to change it.
I pity you Albanians. You will write anything to make yourselves feel better. Take your medication. It will be good for you.
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@mike
"....to answer your question, Serbia was ackgnowledged as a state by the Ottomans following success of the Serbian revolution (1804-1833)...."
again, i was asking no question ... and no, you are jumping backwards in history in a feeble attempt at ignoring the reality that Today's republic of Serbia is NOT a continuation of any state... Let Alone yugoslavia.
You are drawing an IMAGINARY line between the mere existance of serb ethnicity historically with Political Statehood and Change.
Serbia was NEVER the equivelent of [...]
Read the full comment Yugoslavia. They are not interchangeable. Serbia was no more the equivalent of 'Yugoslav' than bosnia,croatia,slovenia etc.. ah but that's the thing, One must gather from what you are implying, is that you believe it was all Serb. tch tch. thats what started this mess in the first place.
That arrogant attitude does provide insight into the motivation behind how serb leadership managed to lead the general serb population into destroying what was yugoslavia was.
Serbian Authorities have no case against kosovar independence... or legal justification for denying it. Or explanation of why any kosovar should be held to the constituion of this NEW country written by a madaman and dictor slobodan milosovic AFTER yugoslavias destruction. The only "argument" serbia has in that regard, is to run away from it by saying its an "internal Matter" and instead try to focus on NATO and the international communities actions. As if getting enough people to get ticked off at them, will somehow make serbia "right"
unfortunately, the ICJ will look at Kosovar Independence... not put the international community on trial... so yeah, good luck with that scheme.
its no wonder serbia already stated it will not adhere to any opinion given by the ICJ that doesnt run into their favor.
@Epaminondas
No. The Republic of Serbia is most certainly NOT the successor state of Yugoslavia...a founding member of the UN. You are repeating a desperate fallacy.
you are (desperately) forgetting an entire iteration of change. Yugoslavia is Long dead. And serbia does NOT get to inherhit its legacy. Todays Republic of Serbia is in turn a Successor state of the so-called republic of "Serbia and Montenegro" ... who were Not successors to yugoslavia.
that is not up for debate. The United Nations Says so.
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Read the full comment And i was not asking a Question, I was Stating a FACT. What i was responding to was the claims of Todays Serbia having 200 years of "political" history. You are the one who is not providing any sort of argument other than it seems...wishfull thinking.
and sorry Epaminondas, wishfull thinking will not help serbia legally.
serbs should not get any rights from kosova they should be jailed for life just like miloshevic that's what the deserv.
Cvele serbia is downsized to a piece of my shit and your yapping about it Kosova-Albania. We have support from all the countries except from communist countries like russia and china.
albani
Mon, Sep 21 2009 16:58 CET
Serbs gets so many rights in Kosovo that you can not call now Kosovo as an independent state.
Yeah, the right to be bashed and the elderly killed wihtot anyone investigating.
The right to be put behind barbed wire and have NATO escort them to school and church.
The kids have the right to NATO protection to school for fear of Albanian attacks. Imagine that, even the kids have to be protected.
Too many rights [...]
Read the full comment for Serbs in Kosovo. Yea I agree, take these right away as well.
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u know i find it funny how all sides on these comment posts try to change the mind or win an arguement. one ups manship or a more authentic source ...etc..funny really..
u wont change each others opinion..so just have fun with it ... the truth is unquantifiable it only lives in peoples hearts!!
wow..who says los angeles serbs arent deep!! :))
Serbs gets so many rights in Kosovo that you can not call now Kosovo as an independent state.
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Sasha, funny that on a Kosovo-Serb story you bring the problems of Macedonia in. Its good to hear from you again, you didn't come to Bitola last time but hopefully we see you soon you beautiful boy....
We are behind you here in Bitola the Macedonian youth against the Fascist Pigs of the HOMOs Gruevski and his little faggot Antonio... We hope that soon they will fall, and that our diaspora become invisible. Do you remember Biljana from Prilep they have organised a youth group against the diaspora, which they target every summer the rich capitalists come here... [...]
Read the full comment These Canadian/Australian diaspora need to slowly wake up that they are destroying our country....
Sasha, last week this idiot from Australia got drunk and started walking around the square in Bitola singing we are the greatest people on earth and Aleksander is our witness. Moments later a group of our youth pelted him with bags full of pig & dog crap he looked like he fell into a sewer. He tried to run but the fat Fascist fell over his own stubby fat feet. These pigs from the diaspora think they are better than us but we are also organising an anti-diaspora group in Bitola. Every summer from now on these Pigs will feel what its like to be insulted.. until it hits the international headlines and then they are afraid to come here. PIGS!!!!!!!!
Our local newspapers are starting to publish some of our targets but they are keeping it low key....... We wonder why??????????
The Macedonian Youth will bring down the Fascist Pigs sooner or later but until then we want to have a little fun with our diaspora jerks they are easy targets and cry when they get some real Macedonian Shit on there western clothes.AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
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Sorry, correction: it was the Camp David Agreement in 2000 that was suddenly "torpedoed" for no obvious reason by Yasser Arafat, who had previously shaken hands with the Israeli delegate on a peace deal brokered by President Clinton.
Needless to say, this is not acceptable behaviour by a senior Government negotiator, from whichever country.....
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pegboy
"Now with your breeding out of control you can outbreed us"
You want to take over Australia??
Why dont you go back to your land cave? You usless unproductive individual!
All serbs like you who left serbia made it better, when you left with the tito passports, in such rediculous numbers that rats were considered minority, from your pathetic church driven hate machine.
You are in a way in a down spiral.
And radicals like you are taking the [...]
Read the full comment rest of the good serbs with them.
Your pathetic interpretations to law and genocide enforces the vission that wild pigs have come out of the forest.
Now you like to play a game between the field (west) and your wild forest with barbaric creatures (russia china india)
Go there, you one legged, 4 eyed monobrowned barbarian monkey.
Serbs who are in denial, are the only obstacle to Balkan Stability.
Just look at how many serbs are being cought from Argentina, to Russia. Fugitives that are genocide accomlices. Like Saddam looked when he came out of his cave.
"Milan Lukic was found guilty of having been among a group that led seven Bosnian Muslim men to a river in June 1992, lined them up along its bank and opened fire with automatic weapons, killing five.
A few days later, he was among another [...]
Read the full comment group who killed seven Muslim factory workers in a similar manner.
The court also found Milan Lukic guilty of setting fire to a house that same month, where he and his cousin had barricaded Muslim women, children and elderly men, shooting at those trying to escape and killing 70 people in all. The cousins had also severely beaten the detainees."
http://www.france24.com/en/20090720-un-court-jails
Whats new in this is that Bosnians who lived in mainland serbia were numbered and executed like the jews in ww2 poland.
Shamful, especially the white washed blood they try to convey here.
Simply brutal.
Serbia is a barbaric state that has expired with her medievil mentality.
No longer should she be accapted in the UN,
Follow UN SC resolution 777,
The world had it right to oust the barbarians during the war.
Now its the time to do it.
Aries - many thanks for the URL to the Palestine Facts site and its item about the Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Muhammed Al Husseini and his evil ways. Interesting to read it.
I don't think it would pass even the Wikipedia test of being an unbiased information source (!), but there is a lot of detail there that I am sure they could not invent. Interesting that his nephew was Yassir Arafat, who took over the Palestinian cause and who diplomats (both Russian and American) said was the most difficult man to work with whom they [...]
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Not a nice family at all. (By the way, one of the photos shows Husseini reviewing the SS guard at Auschwitz. The caption doesn't say so, but I recognise the buildings all too well !)
I totally agree with basing current day situations on old historical events. The English should demand the return of Aquitane, Normandy and Calais to UK rule from those terrible french. Sweden can demand the return of Norway. Denmark gets back Iceland. This policy seems to be in line with the majority of writers here.
to Moderator - sincerely sorry !
Epaminondas, there was really no need to reply the way you did. I will remind everyone in this topic as well - keep it civil or regardless of the rest of your post, it will be deleted.
Regards,
evil biased moderator
Epaminondas.
Il n'y a jamais de fummee sans feu
here is a link .A tete a tete
between Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini and Hitler himself and
some interesting facts about that perion with a lot of links
following.
http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_mandate_grand_muf
Mike - see my posting below yours. The international-law "Successor State" argument is a neater one to use.
Also - everybody - I should post on this Serbian account of WW II doings. I do not necessarily agree with it, but it cannot be ignored. It put the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (not the Mufti of Bosnia) in an awkward position. Link is:
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml
@adam
to answer your question, Serbia was ackgnowledged as a state by the Ottomans following success of the Serbian revolution (1804-1833). It became a suzerain state, like Wallachia and Moldova, which formally secceded from the Porte in 1867, de jure 1878.
Serbia has invested its independence into Yugoslavia to become its backbone in 1918. On international scene, Yugoslavia was a successor of Kingdom of Serbia (although internally it was most certainly not). International contracts that were concluded with Serbia had continued to be in power after Serbia had joined Yugoslavia. Likewise, diplomacy of Yugoslavia [...]
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Serbia was the world's 30th free state at the moment it received its independence in 1878, unlike Kosovo which never existed in history as such.
Serbian authorities are most certainly not affraid to present their case to the UN. After all, they initiated it. From a legal POV, Kosovo, as a mere separatist province does not have the basis to expect a positive outcome. Serbian integrity is guaranteed by the UN's resolution 1244 which considers Kosovo part of its territory. De facto the situation could be different, but de jure justice is on Serbia's side.
Adam, neither you have arguments nor even the average "ratio" to make such biased statements. Such hate speeches should be banned.
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Kristina, that's the spirit I am used to from you guys.
I got the reaction I thought I would. Your true colours are showing now. Wish all you want, but you will not be able to exterminated anyone there, especially the Serbs. Now with your breeding out of control you can outbreed us all but breeding for the sake of creating poverty is not very smart at all.
Just take a look at Africa. Many kids but worse off than their clever 2.5 children families in Europe.
Will it be time to remind some provoking Albos of some facts
now and then?
alBOS OF SOME FACTS
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I'm afraid Adam is wrong about Serbia being "only three years old" - under international law it is the "Successor State" to the previous Jugoslav Federation, and so it is at least 89 years old as Federal Jugoslavija was the successor state to the 1920 Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes, set up in the aftermath of the First World War. Historically it goes back earlier than that, of course (it was a Serb, Gavril Princip, who started the First World War by assassinating the Grand Duke of Austria in 1914 !)
This whole "Successor State" [...]
Read the full comment issue was throughly ventilated and publicised in 1992 with the break up of the Soviet Union, to which the Russian Federation is now the Successor State by international law (and accepted as such by everybody except probably the Albanians, who never accept anything !)
Peggy will know that I do not normally post on the Serbian side of an argument, but on this occasion truth and experience lead me to do so.
As an afterthough, Serbin, Albanians are not necessarily "smarter" than Serbs, but they manage to out-breed everybody else in the Balkans, not just Serbs, but also Macedonians, Greeks,and Bulgarians. Possibly a lack of knowledge about contraception may be the reason why....
Adam, and you are a typical Albanian who provokes for sheer pleasure of it. Nothing you say has any substance but plenty of irritating crap.
Take a look at what you wrote and tell me that any of it is clever.
So many acusations without any substance.
I don't need to apologise for anything. It is your lot who are the cancer of this world and need to apologise to this world for just existing and irritating the crap out of everyone.
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@Al
dont worry about peggy, she is a typical serb apologist who rather desperately tries to believe the contorted worldview she proposes.
Where the US and EU and the West in general are in fact Evil, and Russia and China are the new icons of Freedom and prosperity... along with anyone else who "allies" with serbia... you know, like Iran for instance.
sigh. yes, its a bit of an insult to the intelligence of anyone that reads it, but what can ya do.
Unfortunately, [...]
Read the full comment as serbia inches ever so closer to integrating with Europe and European values both politically and economically... Serbia and it's leadership will have lost its greatest "appeal" to the new "good guys" like russia and china. As serbia stops trying to play both sides of the fence when they are in the reality where taking a pro-european stance will first and foremost be in their Best interests.
But of course that will never happen in serb apoligists world, It is beyond their ability to imagine that Russia and China and India and whoever the new "powers" they imagine will be... will never Not simply love them unconditionally and not use them as political capital because they Poo-poo the west today.
@mike
200 years?
what on earth are you talking about?
The republic of Serbia today as an independent republic is 3 years old. Yes 3 years old as it was admitted into the UN in 2006.
To claim that serbia is a state spanning 200 years is the epitome of ignorance if you are a foreigner, or desperate arrogance if you are Serbian.
The republic of serbia is NOT a continuation of any state..let alone Yugoslavia. It is NEW.
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yes, serbia did hide under the guise of "protecting" Yugoslavia as they caused its destruction, and avoided explaining any of its uncivilized and criminal politcal actions as being an "internal matter of yugoslavia" and did indeed try to pass itself off as a continuation of the old yugoslav state wich they failed to steal. but the UN...including serbias "allies" didnt buy it, and serbia was promptly invited to apply for new un membership MINUS kosovo. yes, this new serb state republic never controlled kosovo at all... 200 years indeeed.
it's easy to understand why serbs would "like" to pretend that serbia is an old state, a continuation of yugoslavia... all the propaganda they spew about depends on it.
while that desperation may work in regards to propaganda... but it wont help legally.
what Today's Serbia would like to do... is in fact pretend the last 200 years didnt happen at all...
and START and End their argument questioning nato's actions.
all the while Ignoring all the pesky little details before and after. Something ... unfortunately for serbia, the kosovar postion WILL explore it in detail.
and sadly, the old standby enjoyed by milosovic of it's an "internal matter of yugoslavia" wont fly. After all, Yugoslavia no longer Exists and Serbia is a new state that is a mere 3 years old.
Al, you are so generous in pointing out how I am full of crap but it is you who deserves that honour.
Yes, there are many strong nations supporting Serbia. Russia, China, India are the most obvious choices of course but don't discount the rest of the world either.
Now out of all your 62 nations supportin Kosovo independence (eg, Kosovo exploitation), do you seriously think that Nauru, MIcronesia or some Pacific islands not heard of previously add to the might of Kosovo backers?
My good man, Russia, China, India [...]
Read the full comment (especially China and India) are the next economic powers of the world. The US has borrowed so much from China they run the risk of relying soley on China or who they can rob around the world to sustain their economy. Their health care and their welfare in trouble or do you honestly think that they are swimming in money?
Look around, the US empire is losing it's grip. New powers are emerging.
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serbia cann only bark aboute kosovos independenc nothink alse the best think serbia cann du send in the army bat this time will be 7 million albanians fully armed waiting for them and a nato membar so to talk sreight serbia has rialeizet thetis lots weker then albanians serbia shuld stop be so pathetic talk is cheap many buys houses
this is the balkans we are talking about ..movement of borders and peoples is the norm and the ones with power get a few years of "land grab" and then it changes again. albanians now have a bit of third party power ..so its not true power..their "land grab" period will last far less then others in the past. eventually rule of law will show its self (we see bits in the EULUX) situation. kosovo will remain serbian ...macedonia and montenegro will be split to albania and RS in bosnia will remain in bosnia ..at least thats will be the [...]
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FLUID --- one question, you speak of how Serbs have "cleansed" albanians for hte past 120 years. Than how is it possible that Kosovo, which was majority Serbian at one time in a matter of the same 120 years became overwhelmingly majority Albanian? That is the weirdest ethnic cleansing ever!!! it actually increased the numbers of the alleged victims! Doesnt make sense at all! Albanians even had full autonomy but rioted even in the early 80's wanting more. Albanians have a country, its called Albania
serbia is doing a good job prolonging further recognitions of kosovo. unlike kosovo, it is a full fledged state with a diplomatic history spanning 200 years, since the emancipation from the ottomans.
kosovo is in a legal limbo which it cannot abandon due to the opposition within the Security council, but also the EU and world in general. Serbian authorities may be powerless, but Kosovo authorities are incapable.
Am I missing something? Serbians actively dislike anything Albanian or ethic Albanian based. They appear to have made this a national policy for generations. Therefore why does Serbia want Kossovo so much. I would have thought they would be more than happy to wash their hands of the very region and population they dislike.
Well Kosova is moving forward and it has extablished all institutions regarding to Indenependence state, the Embassys are in most of the important countries throughout the world ! the court decision won't have any impact cause Newborn is raising fast !
Kosova's Independece is a matter of future and Serbia belongs to the past.
To: all commentators
The court will give an OPINION that will be a win win situation for both sides.
Kosovo/a will be independent under supervision and Serbia will not recognize the OPINION bc its non binding so its own constitution still stands.
We all know it was changed without debate in parliament to include Kosovo/a. Its like when things don't go their way just change the constitution to stall for time.
Tadic was right in one sense. It will take 20 years before Serbia [...]
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Serbia violated every possible (international) human right in Kosovo. Its actions triggered use of military force by a NATO to stop widespread, systematic human-rights abuses within its sovereign territory.
Now Serbia is crying foul and pointing to the same laws it fragrantly violated in the 1990's?
This is also known as hypocrisy. The rest of the world remembers, even though a nation-wide amnesia has engulfed Serbia after its regime change.
Unfortunately, there is not turning back.
Even if somehow magically Serbia re-gains control of [...]
Read the full comment Kosovo, what then? Will there be ethnic cleansing of Albanians like there was in Nis, Pirot, Palanka, Leskovac and Vranje in 1878 when those territories were awarded to Serbia? Will there be another Vaso Cubrilovic or Ivo Andric to orchestrate these plans like they did in the beginning of 1900’s?
Is it going to appoint another Alexandar Rankovic to re-cleanse Kosovo like in the 1960’s? Will it go back to when every third employee in Kosovo was a Montenegrin, every fourth was a Serb and every seventeenth was an Albanian?
Will there be another Milosevic like in the 1990s when only "honest Albanians" - i.e. Serb obedient Albanians - were able to keep their public and national company jobs and 150,000 others were dismissed?
Didn't think so…
Goran, things can change and they will soon enough.
Now this Kosovo has more supporters than Serbia is really ridiculous. 62 countries out of 192 is clearly no more support but since they are trying to say that more support in this court case I say that quantity does not equal quality.
How are they useless Cvele? There are no Serb police or military in Kosovo! If it was sovreign Serbian territory shouldnt Serbia be allowed to control it? Also the protocol signed between Eulex and Serbia clearly recognizes the state border between the Republic of Serbia and the Republic of Kosovo. What I don't understand is how you and other Serbs are in utter denial of the facts on the ground. I've been to Kosovo and everyone there speaks Albanian. The police is Albanian. The army is Albanian. I didn't hear or see any Serbian anywhere for the whole 2 months [...]
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MORE SUPPORT SAYS THE TALBAN DAILY! Dont be ridiculous. Not only dont you have NO actual support since everyone knows how this breaches international laws... you dont even have EU support. Which means since not all EU countries recognize Kosovo as independent, then Kosovo can only enter the EU as part of Serbia. Nothing less. TY res 1244. Must burn albans up inside that their allies always turn out to be useless.