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Serbia and Kosovo set for UN battle

Author: Clive Leviev-Sawyer Date: Mon, Aug 31 2009 70 Comments, 5662 Views
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The diplomatic war of attrition between Serbia and Kosovo returns to the United Nations stage on September 15 at a General Assembly meeting.
 
Belgrade, which is adamantly opposed to the unilateral declaration of independence issued in Pristina in February 2008, scored a point at a General Assembly meeting later that year when it won backing for a resolution referring the question of Kosovo’s independence to the World Court for a non-binding opinion.
 
Radio Srbija said that Jeremic faced a very difficult task at the 2009 General Assembly session, preventing Pristina and its allies launching an offensive aimed at drastically increasing the number of countries recognising Kosovo as independent.
 
The General Assembly debate is taking place as the beginning of formal argument in the World Court approaches, currently scheduled for December 1. This makes the General Assembly debate crucial because it is widely expected that it will be difficult to persuade countries to change their positions after the World Court process gets underway.
 
All five permanent members of the UN Security Council are expected to take part in the General Assembly debate.
 
As part of the lobbying process, Jeremic has met ambassadors to the UN of Russia, Azerbaijan, South Africa, Indonesia, Nigeria and Vietnam.
 
In Pristina, daily Express said that Kosovo was making its own preparations for the General Assembly debate, where it will be on the sidelines as a country not recognised by the UN.
 
Kosovo’s chief representatives at the UN event will be its president, Fatmir Sejdiu and foreign minister Skender Hyseni. They will be working on the margins of the meeting to try to secure new recognitions.
 
"Jeremic cannot prevent Kosovo’s diplomacy. Belgrade’s offensive at the UN General Assembly is also futile. Together with the president we will be going to New York, where we are going to have nearly 40 meetings. New recognitions are expected to come," Express quoted Hyseni as saying.
 
Currently, 62 of 192 UN countries and 22 out of 27 EU countries have recognised Kosovo as independent.
 
Influential countries that were in the first wave of recognition include the United States, France, United Kingdom, Germany, Italy, Belgium, Switzerland, Turkey, Ireland, Sweden and the Netherlands.

South Eastern European countries that recognise Kosovo include Croatia, Bulgaria, Montenegro and Macedonia.
 
 

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    • Anonymous
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      #70 11, 15, Mon, Sep 21 2009

      Oh come on Peggy, you're up your own clacker now. The "organ-harvesting" story, unpleasant as it is, is attributed as much as to Serbs as to Albanians, and is probably apocryphal in both cases. And comparisons with Lucifer (unless you mean the Belgian brand of matches) will probably attract the ire of the Moderators, as such comparisons are abusive.

      Don't come the Raw Prawn, Peg, and try to bash the barbie a bit less hard.

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    • Anonymous
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      #67 09, 26, Sun, Sep 20 2009

      Poor Romania, she has no real idea what kind of criminals she is sponsoring.
      http://www.birn.eu.com/en/1/190/14540/?tpid=7

      Balkan Insight's source in the prosecutor's office says they have strong evidence that Vlastimir Djordjevic, the former head of public security, now thought to be hiding from the Hague tribunal in Russia, played a key role in the transfer of the bodies.

      "Djordjevic personally gave the order for the bodies in Suva Reka to be taken from pits in Prizren to Batajnica," said the source.

      "He himself found [...]

      Read the full comment the lorries and other vehicles for the job. He also removed the traces of crimes from the other places in Kosovo,"


      Genocidal, liers, and deniers.
      Pathetic scum!

      "BODIES FOUND - BUT NOT THE EXECUTIONERS

      The mass graves in Batajnica and two other locations in Serbia were uncovered in spring 2001, and around 1,100 bodies of Albanians were exhumed over the following 30 months.

      The largest number of bodies, 980, were found in Batajnica, and this find was followed by another at special police unit headquarters in Petrovo Selo, eastern Serbia, where 77 bodies were dug up. Forty-eight more were recovered from a lake at Perusac, close to Bosnia.

      In May 2001, Serbia's interior ministry said the order to remove the bodies of Albanians killed in police actions and to rebury them at secret locations in Serbia came from the office of the then president Slobodan Milosevic in March 1999.

      Besides Milosevic, said the ministry, the police minister at the time, Vlajko Stojiljkovic, attended the meeting, along with the chief of public security, General Vlastimir "Rodja" Djordjevic, the then head of the Serbian secret police, Radomir Markovic, and others.

      The Hague tribunal has already charged several individuals with war crimes committed in Kosovo: namely Milosevic, Djordjevic, the former head of the general staff of the Yugoslav army, Nebojsa Pavkovic, and army and police generals Vladimir Lazarevic and Sreten Lukic."


      Serbian police rankings are filled with scum, and they report to other scum.

      Serbia is violent as Somalia, but in eastern europe, Her population of 8 million is made up of 3 million who are ashamed to be called serbs, 2 million neo-nazzi scum deniers, and the rest Serbs who just want to move on, but the majority of parasites wont leave them alone.

    • Anonymous
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      #66 14, 03, Sat, Sep 19 2009

      Sorry, I forgot to post the link concerned. Here it is :

      http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml

    • Anonymous
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      #65 14, 02, Sat, Sep 19 2009

      Without supporting the Serbian side (which I don't), I should pass on the link below from a Serbian source, which details precisely what the Muslim partisans (and their SS brigade) fairly thoroughly.

      I do not necessarily agree with all - or indeed any - of this, but academic practice is to share information, even if it is contentious.

    • Anonymous
      Scipio Rating:
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      #64 14, 12, Fri, Sep 18 2009


      Troika
      (Albania could not have colaborated as it was occupied.
      the ww2 tribunal forced germany and italy to pay compensation to albania. fact!

      for nazzi colabortion as a serb you should know more.
      Berlin Belgrade: judenfrei, fact!
      Tirana: more jews than before the war. fact!)
      Should have ringed a bell to me.!
      The PARTIA FASHISTE E SHQIPERISIE – PFSH movement which held nominal power in Albania from 1939, when the country was occupied by Italy, until 1943,. Afterward, Albania fell under [...]

      Read the full comment German occupation, and the PFSH was replaced by the ALBANIAN NAZI PARTY The PFSH branch of the National Fascist Party (PNF) Black Shirts ,During the Italian occupation the PFSH did realize the vision of Greater Albania, expanding the borders of Albania into modern-day Greek Epirus (Chameria crap) and Serbian Kosovo (ethnic Albanian crap) Muslims were allowed to join. Certainly not Jews
      If I am not mistaken Enver Hoxha refused to join the PFSH.
      Bad luck for Maliq Bej Bushati a nationalist, who tried to reorganize the PFSH as the Guard of Great Albania and working from Italy, striking fascist symbols from the flag .two fasces, one on each side of the Albanian eagle) and asserting Albanian autonomy by the usual way fascists do (mussolini was a goog teacher). However, the country's occupation by Nazi Germany changed the political situation in the country
      The German SD leader Ernst Kaltenbrunner The Sicherheitsdienst (SD, Security Service) was the intelligence service of the SS ) reorganized the Guard of Great Albania into the Albanian Nazi Party, which had formal control of Albania. German control over Albania was looser than in other territories; the Albanian Nazi government did not expand systematic persecution of Jews to deportation or killings. Albanian volunteers did, however, forming an SS division, the 21st Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Skanderbeg (1st Albanian).
      The Third Reich surrendered , Albania descended into civil war; The Albanian Nazi Party fought against Communism both in Albania and in Kosovo,
      As for the Croatian and Bosnian part
      The 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was a division part of the Waffen-SS during World War II. The majority of the recruited were Bosniaks (90%) and Croats (10%). Handschar (Bosnian/Croatian: Handžar) was the local word for the TURKISH SCIMITAR A HISTORICAL SYMBOL OF THE BOSNIAKS(MUSLIMNS BY NATIONALITY) The division was used to onduct operations against Yugoslav Partisans in the Independent State of Croatia from February to September 1944 the division adorned it’s symbol “the Handschar “.
      CONSIDER THIS POST AS AN APPENDIX TO THE PREVIOUS POSTINGS





    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #63 03, 14, Fri, Sep 18 2009

      "I think there are a lot of comments why are they all inapropiate comments "

      Why are you so vague with your expressions?

      If you do not agree with something please point to factual evidence from apropriate sources to convey your feelings and back up your claim. this is the free world and not some russian enclave.
      You wont be put on trial for speaking the truth.

      What do you mean by inapropriate?

      In my opinion you have not said anything, wich [...]

      Read the full comment adds to the topic, making it innapropriate, plus the many many insults from serbs, wich aperantly are suposed to be a subtitute for facts and truth.

    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #62 03, 05, Fri, Sep 18 2009

      "Of the influentual countries that recognised a independant Kosovo , just how many of these countries were invoved in the 78 day bombing of Serbia ?"

      Spain, Greece, also were involved in the bombing, So?

      You must remember that we are talking about the greatest genocides since ww2's hitler.

      "If Kosovo independance is not accepted as legal . These influentual countries carried out a illegal bombing of a United Nations member country"

      So the nazzi atack on the Czeck's was ok and no one [...]

      Read the full comment should of helped Praha???


      "This could be considered a war crime . and I think most of world believes this was a war crime carried out by some powerfull countries that think their ---- dont stink ."

      On the contrary
      Then yugoslavia was only a hair away from being kicked out from the UN resolution 777,becouse of war crimes genocide rape looting, extremism and burning civilians.
      http://daccessdds.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N92/451/57/IMG/N9245157.pdf?OpenElement

      It was only becouse of russia they survived, even the russians did not run and enforce genocide on their parting former republics.

      "could" is the keyword that lets down a lot of Serbs :)
      -----------------

      "Troika is it a ”he” or a “she”?"

      I am breakfast if you were lunch :)
      what would it change?


      "Any how I do not give a dime whatever the hell the outcome is."

      You sound like you have nothing to loose, almost like a suicide writer..


      "You cannot say your ass from your elbows most mildly put with all respects due
      The Cauldron called “the Balkans” and the root of all Evil in it lies in the Fourth Crusade I t was in circa 1199 when the Pope Innocent III decided , for the first time to sustain a Crusade for Papal Concern with Venice. The idea of the Crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christianity from the eleventh , Urban II summoned the first at Clermont ,to the fifteenth century; The IV Crusade completely sacked Constantinople and that helped the Ottoman-Turks to lay foot in the Balkans and later up to Vienna . Hence the Muslims in the Balkans.
      The rest is silent and results into hatred ,bloodshed the Croats and Slovenes closer to the Hapsburgs Catholics the Serbs Orthodox , the Bosnia-Herzegovina enclave remains of the Turk rule Muslim"

      So you got something against muslims now?

      From the 7th till the 14th centuary European history goes down as the dark ages,

      Slavik invasion propobly has to do a lot with it, unskilled barbarians at the time they were a burden to all, as the only way they could of survived was to take over crops from others more and more, becouse they had no clue how a civilisation worked, how crops grew, (if they did they would of made the carparthian mountains a real teat by today) even the village people of russia were formed way after the 14th centuary.



      "Passed the bucket forward to the WWII situation with Catholic fundamentalism in Croatia mixed up with NERAVISNA DRAVA HRVTASKA Ante Pavelic (Poglanik) crap and so on (all in my previous postd stand wether you like it or not the sooner you swallow up and digest them the better it is for you aand all of us )."
      All i can say is that russia through serbia have coused as much hovoc as it was humanly possible
      NOw that both your feet are forced in one shoe, you complain about everything and every one, like all guilty partys through history who are in denial.

      The rest of your post is with out real substance.


      "You are really a hopeless case and a monument of idiocy you and your kind."

      Oh that new, and very rich in intellect.... NOT!

      as i said personal atacks are for the guilty to show that they lost.
      :)

      thank you for admiting it!

    • Anonymous
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      #61 02, 34, Fri, Sep 18 2009

      I think there are a lot of comments why are they all inapropiate comments

    • Anonymous
      Eric Siverson Rating:
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      #60 01, 29, Fri, Sep 18 2009

      Of the influentual countries that recognised a independant Kosovo , just how many of these countries were invoved in the 78 day bombing of Serbia ? If Kosovo independance is not accepted as legal . These influentual countries carried out a illegal bombing of a United Nations member country . This could be considered a war crime . and I think most of world believes this was a war crime carried out by some powerfull countries that think their ---- dont stink .

    • Anonymous
      Scipio Rating:
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      #59 22, 05, Thu, Sep 17 2009

      Troika is it a ”he” or a “she”?
      Any how I do not give a dime whatever the hell the outcome is.
      First I strongly suggest that you should learn some English before posting or at least check your deplorable Nerd-like American-slang Orthography and Syntax
      The way you expose your views vis-à-vis others denote fascistic tendencies and also an “I know everything , ironical” attitude.
      You cannot say your ass from your elbows most mildly put with all respects due
      The Cauldron called “the Balkans” and the root of all [...]

      Read the full comment Evil in it lies in the Fourth Crusade I t was in circa 1199 when the Pope Innocent III decided , for the first time to sustain a Crusade for Papal Concern with Venice. The idea of the Crusade corresponds to a political conception which was realized in Christianity from the eleventh , Urban II summoned the first at Clermont ,to the fifteenth century; The IV Crusade completely sacked Constantinople and that helped the Ottoman-Turks to lay foot in the Balkans and later up to Vienna . Hence the Muslims in the Balkans.
      The rest is silent and results into hatred ,bloodshed the Croats and Slovenes closer to the Hapsburgs Catholics the Serbs Orthodox , the Bosnia-Herzegovina enclave remains of the Turk rule Muslim
      Passed the bucket forward to the WWII situation with Catholic fundamentalism in Croatia mixed up with NERAVISNA DRAVA HRVTASKA Ante Pavelic (Poglanik) crap and so on (all in my previous postd stand wether you like it or not the sooner you swallow up and digest them the better it is for you aand all of us ).
      You are really a hopeless case and a monument of idiocy you and your kind.

    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #58 02, 01, Thu, Sep 17 2009

      ponti copy paste and all you want mate, RS links are as useless as neo nazis trying to explain what happend in ww2.

      why cant you just put the links?
      oh thats right becouse their authenticity goes down the drain...

      i bet you still havent even read what you wrote.

      :) nice to see your strongly believed bs.

      go to serbianna, that retard website, you can hi 5 the rest of ignorance searchers like yourself.

      This site is [...]

      Read the full comment way more respectable.

    • Anonymous
      Scipio Rating:
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      #57 20, 47, Wed, Sep 16 2009

      Troika take your time and read!!!
      One of the greatest ethnic slaughter took place as Yugoslavia was carved up after the German invasion in April 1941. The creation of a separate Croatia under nominal Italian supervision but controlled by the fascist, Catholic, extremist Ustasha movement was the catalyst for the tragedy...
      Now, historic Croatia was expanded to include Bosnia-Herzegovina and other teritorries, and the Ustasha were left by the Italians to govern a population of nearly 7 million people, of whom about half were Croats, just over 2 million were Serbs, about 750,000 were Muslims, and [...]

      Read the full comment small numbers were Protestants and Jews. The Protestants and Muslims were tolerated and the Jews treated as in Germany. The Minister of Education, Mile Budak, made clear the Ustasha aims: "Our new Croatia will get rid of all Serbs in our midst in order to become one hundred percent Catholic within ten years." He spoke of killing a third of the Serbs, converting a third, and expelling the remainder. The leader of the Ustasha, Ante Pavelic, said, "A good Ustasha is one who can use his knife to cut a child from the womb of its mother."
      Prosecution of the Orthodox Serbs began with the banning of the use of the Cyrilic script and the closure of Orthodox schools and was followed by forcible conversion to Catholicism and indiscreminate slaughter.
      About 300,000 Serbs were "converted," but by the end of the summer of 1941 [after less than six months of Ustashi government] about 350,000 Serbs had been killed and by May 1943 this total had risen to over 500,000. Thousands were kept in prison camps where the conditions were so appaling they horrified even the German officials in the area. At Zemun [suburb of Belgrade, but under Ustasha control] camp about 50,000 out of a total population of about 70,000 died within a few weeks of the camp's being established. Orthodox priests were tortured and killed, normally by having their throats cut, and their bodies were then exhibited in local butcher shops. The actions of the Ustasha were strongly supported by the local Catholic hierarchy. Cardinal Stepinac, the head of the Catholic church in Croatia, rejoiced over this "progress of Christianity." Franciscan priests led the killing of the Serbs and even ran two of the worst prison camps, Jasenovac and Alipashin Most. Pope Pius XII received Ante Pavelic at the Vatican with the honors due a head of state and called him "a much maligned man." The Vatikan retained a close relationship with the Ustasha until the end of the war, and after.
      Haj Muhammed Amin al-Husseini made his contribution to the Axis war effort in his capacity as a Muslim, rather than as an Arab leader, by recruiting and organizing in RECORD TIME, during the spring of 1943, Bosnian Muslim battalions in Croatia comprising some twenty thousand men! These Muslim volunteer units, called Hanjar (Sword), were put in Waffen-SS, fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary. They participated in the massacre of civilians in Bosnia and volunteered to join the hunt for Jews in Croatia(Pro-nazi at the time) . The German Nazis made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms.
      It is still more unfortunate that the situation in the Balkans has apparently not been considered by the Bush Administration to be part of the war on terror, i.e. the global Islamic jihad. Rather it is held apart as a separate diplomatic issue to be resolved by diplomacy. Historically, the Balkans has always been understood to be a "tinder box" of religious and political tensions since at least the 1878 Congress of Berlin. The Balkans is an area of southeastern Europe where Islam had made its greatest advances against Christendom and where both Catholic and Orthodox Christianity came in diect contact and conflict with Islam. It is where Chritian boys were taken away from their parents and made into the Jannissaries,i.e. Islamic warriors for the Ottoman Empire.
      Alija Izetbegovic, the President of Bosnia-Herzegovian called for independence for Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1992 leading to the Bosnia war. In 1970 in his Islamic Declaration he had written this: “The exhaustive definition of the Islamic Order is: the unity of religion and law, education and force, ideals and interests, spiritual society and State. The Muslim does not exist at all as an independent individual…There can be no peace or coexistence between Islamic faith and non-Islamic faith and institutions. The Islamic movement must and can take power as soon as it is morally and numerically strong enough not only to destroy the non-Islamic power but to build up the Islamic one." It is clear that Europe and the United States blithely ignored clear evidence of what was likely to happen in Bosnia.

    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #56 17, 43, Wed, Sep 16 2009

      "Troika, open a real history book and you will have all the proof you need."

      Your short answer with out a substance makes you look, well just like a little boy you are, uneducated to give a reasenable responce.

      99% of literature concerning the subject, plus your current war criminals still on the loose, explain clearly, with hard evidence that Serbs have commited more genocides in the 90's than all of africa combined in that time perioud.

      But you read real history books also sometimes, so you knew [...]

      Read the full comment that, thats why the cat got your toung, no?

    • Anonymous
      Peggy Rating:
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      #55 13, 41, Wed, Sep 16 2009

      Troika, open a real history book and you will have all the proof you need.

    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #54 01, 16, Wed, Sep 16 2009

      could you show some facts or proof scipio?

      you have to look at a timeline were you were a victim again???

      get real move on.
      After ww2 serbia got all the sweets from the west that you became diabetics.

      Vojvodina was atached to serbia, foreign loans were sent to rebuild. and the rest of your story is as full of holes as belgrade after nato.

      albania could not have colaborated as it was occupied.
      for the occupation the ww2 tribunal [...]

      Read the full comment forced germany and italy to pay compensation to albania. fact!

      and were did you get the 30-40k number or "recruits"???

      for nazzi colabortion as a serb you should know more.

      Berlin Belgrade: judenfrei, fact!
      Tirana: more jews than before the war. fact!

      ps: what the hell is this metohija you serbs keep licking about?

    • Anonymous
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      #53 16, 32, Tue, Sep 15 2009

      Some historyfor those who have short memory.
      During World War II, 35,000 to 40,000 Kosovo Albanians were recruited by Nazi Germany as part of the German occupation forces and security formations in Greater Albania, a state created by Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini that included Kosovo-Metohija, western Macedonia, and territory from Serbia and Montenegro. In Albania, there were 30,000 Albanians who were in the German occupation forces. In 1941, the German occupation forces created a Kosovo Albanian Gendarmerie with headquarters in Kosovska Mitrovica. In 1944, these forces were incorporated into the Skanderbeg Nazi SS Division. In 1942, Balli [...]

      Read the full comment Kombetar organization battalions were established by the German forces, which existed until 1945. In 1943, a Kosovo Regiment was created in Kosovska Mitrovica made up of Kosovo Albanians by German forces. In 1944, these troops were also incorporated into the Skanderbeg SS Division. The German forces also established the Pec and Pristina Territorial Police Regiments from 1944 to 1945. The Albanian Macedonian Militia was created in Macedonia in 1943-1945.

      Most of the Albanian Nazi collaborationist forces were made up of Albanian Muslims from Kosovo-Metohija. The Nazi-created Gendarmerie, the special police, the paramilitary formations, the militias, and the Ushtars, Albanian security forces, were mostly from Kosovo-Metohija. It was only the Albanian Army that was made up of Albanians from Albania.
      After the Italian surrender on September 8, 1943, the construction of a Nazi German Greater Albania began. This effort was led by Hermann Neubacher, and Franz von Scheiger and Martin Shliep of the German Foreign Ministry in Albania. Abwehr II or German Military Intelligence agents were also sent into Albania at this time. Three German divisions in the XXI Corps under General Hubert Lanz occupied Greater Albania. The 297th Infantry Division occupied Pristina and Prizren in Kosovo. The 100th Jaeger Division occupied Elbasan and Struga in western Macedonia. The 118th Jaeger Division advanced from Niksic and occupied the Albanian coastal areas.

    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #52 14, 07, Tue, Sep 15 2009

      "Perhaps if you stopped asking crap questions you might actually get an answer which is resonable. Until then, you seem to have answered your own question."

      Oh serbs, so predictable is not funny anymore.

      Why is it a a crap question? Becouse anybody that didnt accapt kosovo is somehow better automaticly? If it is better nobody is forcing you not to go there.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_diaspora

      well i make it easy for you, as you want to be right more than you want [...]

      Read the full comment to be logical.

      +84% the diaspora of serbs live in countrys that have accapted kosovos independence.
      Wich puts serbia in the same league with the radical islamists who burn kill and threaten the west becouse they dont agree with their decisions.

      You should accapt the policys of the peoples land you live in.
      Just like radicals you live in the west and try to put it down as much as you can.

      You are a shameful, ungreatful bunch that preach hypocracy, while at the same time denying genocide, while still protecting mass murderers.

    • Anonymous
      Peggy Rating:
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      #51 13, 02, Tue, Sep 15 2009

      Troika' question,

      Sorry, i know i wont get a straight aswer, just another crap Serbien answer.

      Perhaps if you stopped asking crap questions you might actually get an answer which is resonable. Until then, you seem to have answered your own question.

    • Anonymous
      troika Rating:
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      #50 06, 06, Tue, Sep 15 2009

      "@ al...check the gdp of the city of rio (not brazil..but only the city of rio)and compare it to the country of albania..then we'll see how funny it is. youre stuck in the 90's thinking the white european world controls the money ....its china india brazil and indonesia today dude!! u wanna jump on the white european ship but just a little late !!!!!!!!!"


      Hay benzo, just a question. Are you living in Brasil, China Indonesia, or India?
      If not why dont you canmaign to take all other Serbs hand in hand [...]

      Read the full comment and move?

      Sorry, i know i wont get a straight aswer, just another crap Serbien answer.

    • Anonymous Peggy Thu, Sep 10 2009

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    • Anonymous
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      #47 23, 22, Wed, Sep 09 2009

      @ al...check the gdp of the city of rio (not brazil..but only the city of rio)and compare it to the country of albania..then we'll see how funny it is. youre stuck in the 90's thinking the white european world controls the money ....its china india brazil and indonesia today dude!! u wanna jump on the white european ship but just a little late !!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous
      Al Rating:
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      #46 16, 43, Wed, Sep 09 2009

      Hahaha they have friends in Brazil, i wonder if they will help you construct some shanty (favelas) in downtown Belgrade like they have in up town Rio. If you want a a decent friend on your side you need America, England, Germany, France, Japan (most industrialized nations of earth)Oups sorry they have recognised Kosovo so they must be against you :(, never mind you have the favela countries, they are good enough for you.

    • Anonymous
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      #45 14, 52, Tue, Sep 08 2009

      The truth, don't bother with this Tony M character. He is sounding more and more demented as he can't dispute facts put to him.

      Better leave him alone. He is close to the edge now.

    • Anonymous
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      #44 06, 11, Tue, Sep 08 2009

      Tony, your replies have no explanation, just your own personal opinion. Even after all the sanctions and years of suffering Serbia is emerging very rapidly. I know you are jealous because Albania hasn't upgraded in.. ever really.
      Yes, the Serbs can, and do make many great products. Construction in Serbia is through the roof and Serbia has very close connections with allies in the balkans, more than I can say for Albania. Greece, Romania, Bulgaria, are all friendly allies.
      Your personal insults just show what a shallow person you are. No, the movie is based on [...]

      Read the full comment reality. I have travelled across Europe and witnessed Albanian crack dealers. Not all Albanians are criminals, but every country has many Albanians who are active criminals.
      Actually Serbia was, and is the most western open balkan country, unlike Albania which really is in a minicave. However bad the economic situation was/is in southern serbia (aka Kosovo), it's apparently much better than Albania.

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    • Anonymous
      benzo Rating:
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      #42 21, 40, Mon, Sep 07 2009

      landlocked !!! the swiss are landlocked - eu locked - nato locked and doing quit well thank u. do u realize how much more it costs to sail goods to england from montenegro then fly it over from serbia ..come on man !! i'd rather have brains then water any day!!!!!!!!!

    • Anonymous
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      #41 19, 04, Mon, Sep 07 2009

      Very good comeback! I've noticed you have nothing to say so you throw in useless crap no one cares about.
      Don't forget that Croatia and Bosnia also have war criminals and that Albanians are currently the world's largest criminals. Have you seen the movie "TAKEN"?

      What am I denying? You're the worst denier, spreading BS that Kosovo was once Albanian when everyone knows it was always Serbian.

      Holes in apartement buildings and tv stations that killed hundreds of innocent people. Is Nato a hero in your eyes for killing grandmothers [...]

      Read the full comment and babies? Just so you know, Nato actions against Serbia were illegal.

      Except Serbs are not hungry. Albanians are, that's why you guys run over the border like rats, trying to get a few serbian scraps.

      Landlocked? Look what your great country has done with her beaches...nothing. How many tourists visit Albania? Don't forget we do have very important friends... Spain, China, Brazil and Russia.

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      #39 08, 23, Mon, Sep 07 2009

      No Tony, Peggy is right. Nobody is backing you because they like you, you're too stupid too understand now but maybe when you get a little bit older you'll see.
      Your article shows how Serbia cooperated with Nato and the UN and how they have failed to stop the ethnic cleansing being performed by albanians against serbs and macedonians. I thought you were anti-serbia, but your last few posts have shown otherwise. Welcome to right side, maybe you've finally seen your wrong ways.

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      #37 23, 16, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      @ mr bushati ... according to my albanian friends (yes i do have albanian friends) property values in albanian border areas to serbia were partly based on how well u could get free serbian tv and radio programing ..now thats idolization!! but neither here nor there
      there were serbians in kosovo hundreds of years before any white guy stepped foot in canada ..usa or australia ...so until you are prepared to support all albanians give up their belongs to the natives of these places and move back to the balkans your theory doesnt hold water...albanians in usa -canada [...]

      Read the full comment -australia and western europe are to the native people of those lands what the serbs are to you .......... but of course i know thats different ..yeah sure

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      #36 23, 09, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      Tony M, you do rant a lot, but that is all.

      Tony, please take your hatred and shove it. The rubbish you write is pure hatred and you don't have anything to back it up with. What's all this 13 year old crap you present? Do you parents still tell you scary stories or are you the stupid parent who tell his kids these stories.

      Go on, rant all you want but the world has the truth and it is quite evident what sort of people you Albanians are.
      Nobody [...]

      Read the full comment is backing you because of some great love for you but because of their own interest.
      If you belive that someone is buying your crap and therefore backed you up, then I trully feel sorry for you, for you are that stupid for real.

      Yes, I know that there is no love lost between Serbs, Croats and Muslims in that region. There was always tension there but hey Croats and Muslims (including Albanians) have always been on the wrong side. All you have to do is go back as recently as WW2 and you got evidence of your Nazi past.
      The Serbs were right to resist you then and they were right to resist your terror this time around.

      If you want to talk about terror, I am more than happy to discuss UCK.

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      #35 21, 32, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      This pretty much sums up your knowledge of the situation:
      "Milosevic is gone and on trial
      for war crimes"
      Someone like yourself, who claims to know everything about Serbia doesn't even know that Milosevic is dead. I don't see how any one can take what you say seriously. Your numbers and stats are made up, your knowledge of history is humourous and your hypocritical thinking is also very funny.
      Actually Vojvodina has been part of many Kingdoms in the past, least of all Hungary. You should be very thankful of Serbia, if [...]

      Read the full comment not for us your dear Albania would not exist :)

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      #32 13, 55, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      Tony, you betcha I am denying the crap written by western "impartial" journalists. I know that the news was spread around the globe from a couple of sources which are CNN and BBC. Instead of doing their own investigations and verifying what they got from these warehouses of news, western media just copied everything and presented it as their own. Iraq is a perfect example of how the whole thing is manipulated.

      When you win the propagand war you win the war is usually right.
      We've all been subjected to contant rubbish that these [...]

      Read the full comment two news warehoueses were churning out daily.
      We've all seen how the mighty US propaganda machine goes in overdrive when they want to demonize a country and it's people if they cannot remove the government of that country or enslave them.
      South America has suffered this for decades and then it became Yugoslavia's turn.

      If I want to know the truth, I don't go to Wikipedia or CNN. I read books and articles written by people who are independent.
      People like John Pilger, Noam Chomsky, Gregory Clark, Scott Taylor, James Bissett and General Lewis MacKenzie (who was there).
      I know your lot has tried to discredit all these people and I have been told time and time again that they are nut jobs, but I have not been told they are nut jobs by any reputable establishment. I was getting told this by your countrymen, the Albanians.
      Too bad they cannot back up their accusations.
      Perhaps you ought to read something written by these men.

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      #31 08, 15, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      There's no need for me to deny genocide. It's already been determined that Serbia was NOT guilty of genocide in Bosnia. That is a sad video, but there are too many like that from all sides. Serbia being classified as a judenfrei proves that Croatian Ustashi and Nazis did horrible things in Serbia, eliminating large populations of Serbs, Jews and Roma.
      You know as much as I do that Serbs were protecting their homes. It was Serb territory and still is, unfortunatly a lot was stolen because of illegal actions on the Croatian and Albanian side.
      [...]

      Read the full comment Honestly, I'm not too worried of your attempt for an independent Kosovo because as you will see Kosovo is historically Serbian, breaks international law, allows criminals and genocide to take place and Kosovo simply cannot exist as an independent state. Your leaders are idiots who have begun raising large red flags because of their comments.
      Albanians in Kosovo don't know what oppresion is, soon they will see when the USA starts bossing them around. As a part of Serbia they had everything, soon they will have nothing. Because unlike the Serbs, who respected albanians and did everything to help create a multiethnic societym, America doesn't give a shit about the albanian people and will take Kosovo for themselves.

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      #29 04, 03, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      Wikipedia is the best source on the web Peggy! Everything on there is always 100% True! (sarcasm)
      TonyM, I'm sorry, I could not read a single sentence without getting confused. You're grammer and spelling is almost as bad as your knowledge of history. I'd like to see what that 1/3 of the world would do when they're own country is invaded and when they're own people are chased out of their homes. Then they will remember Kosovo, and say "Wow, we're we wrong to ever support such criminal action."

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      #28 03, 23, Sun, Sep 06 2009

      Hey Tony M, do you ever read anything besides Wiki?
      Perhaps you should try something which has a little more credibility and which is not written by whoever wants to write it.

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      #25 23, 01, Sat, Sep 05 2009

      @Sami
      "Considering that at least half of your population are Slavicized Illyrians"
      I'm pretty sure Benzo is an Albanian admitting that his people idolize Serbia. Dardania was a part of Moesia, which was Serbia, so you just showed another reason why Kosovo is Serbian. Unfortunatly looking at those old maps (circa 0) means nothing, because if we followed those maps then all of north america would belong to the natives and not white immigrants. The issue is not with people being allowed self-determination, it's with the method that the majority in Kosovo was achieved. If Albanians [...]

      Read the full comment don't love Serbia then why didn't they stay in their precious Albania? It must be a bad feeling knowing that you're living on stolen land and one day justice will be served.

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      #24 19, 25, Sat, Sep 05 2009

      Benzo, I just read your comments... had to laugh.

      Considering that at least half of your population are Slavicized Illyrians, you really cannot say to an Albanian (a much older culture) that we idolize Serbian culture.

      Let me clarify for you the phenomenon you are perhaps describing:

      Despite your fanatical intolerant religious orientation and hyper-nationalist tendencies, we Albanians still do see very strong traces of OUR Illyrian culture in much of your music, folk dances, costumes, etc. Thus, even though you are so brainwashed and hateful towards Albania, [...]

      Read the full comment we, the much older sibling, are still able to appreciate our common points of tangency, and your more endearing qualities, of which are there are plenty underneath the more recent state-sponsored cultural deficiencies for which you should be ashamed and more repentant.

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      #23 19, 17, Sat, Sep 05 2009

      No one takes any of this seriously. It just provides a way for Serbia to save a little face as the EU eases them into a more civilized and modern European context. More moderate Serbian politicians also have to deal with extreme nationalists and avoid feeding their fanatical followers by seeming to abandon Kosovo too quickly.

      But the old secret is no longer a secret. Kosovo is Dardania, the ancient Illyrian province (thousands of years old), much more ancient than the Slavic presence in the Balkans, which begins only in the 6th century when so-called "servian" [...]

      Read the full comment tribes were expelled from Russia.

      Can anyone imagine germans after WWII being given a voice to present their grievances against the jewish people? That is essentially what is happening here, it's absurd, but in a new more enlightened European context, everyone has to be permitted their voice.

      So enjoy your voice Serbia, but please learn how to use it in a constructive way: 1) take responsibility for your actions in our region in recent times, and 2) speak in a more respectful tone with your more ancient neighbors, the Native Peoples of Europe, the Albanians.

      Peace.

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      #22 17, 00, Sat, Sep 05 2009

      TonyM, you're post only strengthens the Serbian cause. You're completely lost and have no clue what you're talking about. I suggest you stop talking, atleast that way you might seem smarter. You are right about one thing, the world HAS SEEN who STARTED those wars. No one cares anymore (in the West), but people are starting to see that the Serbs were actually victims, not the aggressors. What? Yes! All in all, Thanks TonyM, you displayed how stupid and illogical albanian thinking is, bravo!

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      #21 13, 16, Sat, Sep 05 2009

      Tony M, Just one thing to say to you. You are an idiot.
      You have actually stated that Serbs are worse than Nazis.

      BTW, Serbs did not start a war in Slovenia, Croatia or Bosnia. There was NO WAR in Slovenia for a start.

      Croatians were arming themselves well before Yugoslavia was starting to break up which proves it was them who started the illegal sucession and throwing their Nazis symbols at Serbs. Serbs only defended their right to be equal.

      It was a Muslim in [...]

      Read the full comment Bosnia who fired the first shot not a Serb. The Serb was the first victim.

      So do educate yourself a little. Serbs were fighting for their homes and the right not to have to live in a Muslim country.

      You being an Albanian will always lie and distort history to further your agenda.
      Guess what. Your lies have expired and the world sees through them now.
      Perhaps that's why 2/3 of the world don't recognise your illegal and immoral Albanian Kosovo.

      Are you right or is 2/3 of the world right?

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      #19 00, 32, Thu, Sep 03 2009

      i dont blame k albanians for what has happened. any honest albanian person from the balkans will tell u they idolize serbians ...our music , TV , sports, movies,and way of life
      its when a couple of large outside influences gave them parts of serbia that things went wrong. they were happy being a complaining / secretly idolizing serbia../k albanian people of serbian kosovo

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      #18 13, 37, Wed, Sep 02 2009

      Uromov, you are one of those people that makes up an argument. You say shame on you to 'the truth' because he wants more muslim deaths... I don't believe he ever said that, stop putting words into his mouth.
      I apologise, i didn't see you wrote 'Illyrian period or 800AD', my mistake. Actually I am quite well read, but none of the books I've read (all western authors) state any such link. Who are you reading, some biased 1960s Enver Hoxha rant about trying to link Albanians with greatness. Do any well respected historians (N. Hammond) think this? [...]

      Read the full comment No!
      @ nanenshkive, all you can say is jokes about serbs, I'm sure serbs have many jokes about Albanians, yet prefer to discuss maturely. All you have is jokes, because you can't argue a point.

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      #17 12, 41, Wed, Sep 02 2009

      H, for starters, you can see that documentary they tried to ban in Europe called "Stolen Kosovo".

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      #16 03, 25, Wed, Sep 02 2009

      Bato i do not recall saying that the Illyrian period was circa 800AD. I stated check the Illyrian period and circa 800AD. Moreover, there is proof i could recommend some fantastic books and literature on it - just because you are not well read does not mean facts are not so. Adding on, this directed to "the truth", I recommend you revise your definition of genocide then add your commentary. Moreover, would you say that there is too many kosovars alive; would you say that the 10,000 that were murdered systematically was not enough? Or the 100,000 displaced in the [...]

      Read the full comment 1999 war? While in Srebrenica would you say more people could have been killed to reduce the numbers of Muslims in the world? Shame on you! And what of Jasenovac? Terrible admittedly, but I sure you will agree that the Illyrian era goes further back than the 1940,s. the truth please do some detailed research instead of looking for maps on Google.

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      #15 03, 20, Wed, Sep 02 2009

      Peggy, please provide a source that confirms what you call "illegal immigration" in to Kosovo after ww2. No rants please, just a source.

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      #14 02, 30, Wed, Sep 02 2009

      Back to Albania where you can play with your stones shiptars!

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      #13 19, 50, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      What is a difference between a liberal Serb and a nationalist one. The first asks before shooting you. The second shots, no questions asked.

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      #12 19, 15, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      What a brainwashed bunch you all are!!! Slavs what a joke!

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      #11 18, 29, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      BULGARIA WAS FORCED AS WELL. EU AND US INFLUENCE IS A POLITICAL NIGHTMARE.

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      #10 07, 35, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      Albania have no history or culture just like the FYROMonkeys so they are trying to invent one by claiming Serbian territory and stealing Greek history.
      Albanians are Turkish rejects.
      Kosovo is Serbian.

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      #9 06, 15, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      Kosovo is Serbia's birthplace and our holy land. You albanians live in a mafia and famine infested country so you decide to leech off of the resources and land of another country like a parasite. All you albanians can do is deal drugs and have babies which is why you outnumbered us in the first place. Kosovo will never be albania and that is a promise i can assure will stand.

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      #8 05, 59, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      @Uromov
      Serbs committing genocide? During a war, people, unfortunatly many civilians die. That doesn't mean a certain country commited genocide. If Serbs did commit genocide why do muslims and albanians still exist in large numbers. Stats don't lie, and the stats show how the serb population was forced out of Kosovo while Albanians invaded it. And you have no historical knowledge at all. Have you forgotten of Jasenovac? Justive always prevails and soon this Kosovo solution will be resolved and Kosovo will remain Serbian. Serbs are too nice. Instead of being like the Croats who forced 250 000 [...]

      Read the full comment + Serbs out of Croatia we let you Albanians stay, because unlike the western belief we don't mind other cultures and people. Its when you backstab us that we lose our respect for you.

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      #7 03, 49, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      By the way, Illyrian period at 800AD...I Don't Think So

    • Anonymous
      Bato Rating:
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      #6 03, 48, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      @ urumov;
      You talk of the so called descent of Albanians from Illyrians... where is the proof? Noone has proven that link, the Albanians are just trying to have some link to the land. NO PROOF!!!

    • Anonymous
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      #5 03, 09, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      I'm tired of Albanians thinking that Kosovo was EVER Albanian.
      I'm not going to give any history lessons or explain how everythign happened. I'll let these maps speak for themselves. http://www.euratlas.com/time2.htm
      As you'll see, Albania hasn't existed until recently. Albania is an AUSTRIAN creation to weaken Serbia. As you see, Kosovo was always Serbian.

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      #3 02, 19, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      Show some teeth as in commit genocide like it did before or mass expulsion and displacement of peoples? Which were you referring to? Also Peggy, please do some research in the Illyrian period or circa 800AD and you will see who the modern day territory of Kosovo belongs to – knowing what has occurred since WW2 does not suffice for you to have an opinion.

    • Anonymous
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      #2 00, 47, Tue, Sep 01 2009

      unless serbia is willing to show some teeth , stand by its diplomatic threats and stop legitimizing prisina with its shameless courting of the EU , nothing will change and recognitions will keep coming. tadic is doing several things well keeping kosovo even slightly serbian is not one of them..

    • Anonymous
      Peggy Rating:
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      #1 23, 53, Mon, Aug 31 2009

      Impressive!!
      How many of those 62 countries (some are nothing more than tiny Pacific islnds) recognized Kosovo under pressure?

      I think US has come as far as it can by now. Perhaps one or two more recognitions to come, but that's it.
      You cannot take someone's territory simply by outbreeding the inhabitants of that area and overpopulating by illegal immigration from the mother country.
      During the decades after WW2 that is exactly what happened.

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