I believe that the most accurate book of all times can bring some light to this dispute... PLEASE READ THE BIBLE, THE BOOK OF DANIEL CHAPTER 8.

In chapter 8 verses 20-22 we read: 'The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.'

Looking at history - the large horn represents Alexander the Great (king of Grecia) - who sweeps through the area conquering people - overcoming Persia - around 333 BC - some 100 plus years after Daniel had this vision. Alexander conquers Persia and heads to Egypt. Josephus - the Jewish historian - records that when Alexander approached Jerusalem - threatening to take the city - the high priests took copies of the Book of Daniel - this very prophecy - took copies of it out and showed it to Alexander. When Alexander saw that it had been predicted that he was to conquer Persia and rule the world he spared Jerusalem... etc etc etc

PLEASE READ THE BIBLE IT WILL SAVE YOU A LOT OF STRIVE..

With Love and Respect.

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Did the poison of the scorpion that stung you in Greece go to your head. Seriously now, we've read you're trickery and know how you attempt to anger readers so as to engage them in a debate where only you win. Do get a life before your children put you in a senior's home where you will no longer have access to the internet

Indulge us David...how old are you?

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Unfazed is actually right about the British and French fleets making Greek independence possible in 1821 (they together ambushed in the Pelloponese the Turkish fleet, which otherwise would have brought reinforcements to the Ottoman troop fighting the Greek rebels.)

If that hadn't happened, there could well not have been an independent Greek nation today (it would probably have been divided between Bulgaria and Italy.) So Greece has reason to be more grateful to Britain and France than it has to Ancient Greece.

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We the Macedonians did not have to fight in the breakup of Yugoslavia, because unlike the Greeks, we used diplomacy and wit!Your right about our parents not wanting to fight any more, after witnessing the ethnic cleansing and brutality of the Greeks in Aegean Macedonia in so called civil war! As for your dream of your army being stronger than Turkey's, dream on master of the insults!!

"Macedonia (wisely) did not fight Serbia" :
How could Greece fight against his orthodox brother country Serbia? I don't get you there...

Also Turkey isn't a democracy, but a military dictature, that's why it has no vocation with its current political situation to enter the EU. Turkey has to do hundred of reforms, but very risky...

If the military regime desintegrates, so their state as well. Kurdistan will be created, Armenia will get his stolen part of the turkish territory back. Bulgaria will get back Tsarigrad (Istanbul / Constantinopolis)

So don't think that Turkey is so strong. Think one day if the USA stop to support Turkey for some reasons, and choose instead Bulgaria as mediterranean and oriental basis.

That's the end of Turkey, molya.

Mikroskopjans have any clue about fighting, battle and heroism. They even didn't fight in the Yugoslavia's war, and asked quickly their independance, because they are a bunch of cowards, which were too much afraid of violence after all the bloodshed their parents had seen in the Greek Civil War of 1916-49.

That's why you Greeks want to be called Macedonians because their strength and bravery. As for you beating Turkey, what a laugh, you should pray Uncle Sam never backs Turkey! As for the fight for Greek independance, you did not read your history to well, as if it was not for the British and French fleet there wasn't going to be a Greek nation today!!

How can Greece fight against its orthodox brother country FYROM ?

The same logic applies

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"Macedonia (wisely) did not fight Serbia" :
How could Greece fight against his orthodox brother country Serbia? I don't get you there...

Also Turkey isn't a democracy, but a military dictature, that's why it has no vocation with its current political situation to enter the EU. Turkey has to do hundred of reforms, but very risky...

If the military regime desintegrates, so their state as well. Kurdistan will be created, Armenia will get his stolen part of the turkish territory back.

So don't think that Turkey is so strong. Think one day if the USA stop to support Turkey for some reasons, and choose instead Greece as mediterranean and oriental basis.

That's the end of Turkey, kardash.

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Mikroskopjans have any clue about fighting, battle and heroism. They even didn't fight in the Yugoslavia's war, and asked quickly their independance, because they are a bunch of cowards, which were too much afraid of violence... Baby cries, OMG, etc.

1 Turk can beat 100 Greeks, you said? Well, but explain how Greece became independant in the 19th century after 400 years? 1 Greek beated 1000 Turks during that time! And think now the Kurds are still under the turc-ottoman regime and are not free. That means the value of the greek miracle and glory at its best!

In FYROM, no heroism, but lot of heroine...

Also Cyprus is not Greece's main problem anymore. Cypriots are independant and it's better like this. It's like there are not only one, but 2 "Greece", and Cyprus is very, very rich contrary to FYROM, the poorest "pseudo-state" in Europe. They will not enter EU before 2045 together with Turkey (if they even enter, something I doubt for obvious reasons...).

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You can't beat us. You have no Macedonian blood. Only Greek have and are Macedonian. 1 Greek beats easily 100 Mikroskopjans, haha!

To United Albania and Spartaa, I'll take one real Macedonian over 5 Greeks or 10 Albanians any day!!

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Get this in your face, FYROM! This comes from King Leonidas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeYVIWz99I

SPAAAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAA
PAAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAAAA

Also get prepared by this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2UJm6Tbww&feature=related

Soon or later, that will happen and United Albania will rise again!

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Your star wars reference is very childish if you want my opinion. That proves to all of us you are a joker and not a serious interlocutor.

But from what I watched from this movie, at the end, Greek Jedis kill the Darth Vardar. Happy end!

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Not really... You still misunderstand with "La Croix Rouge" and "Médecins sans frontière". Enough lies, dear Spela. Thank you.

Also get prepared by this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2UJm6Tbww&feature=related

Soon or later, that will happen and United Albania will rise again!

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You misunderstand NATO with "La Croix Rouge" now...

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There is nothing childish or unrealistic in this video. Did you count in how many parts Yougoslavia exploded? I know the truth isn't easy to digest.

The NATO rules firmly forbid this, but that's not something which can avoid the inevitable. Some countries like France by the past went out NATO, and they re-enter the alliance recently.
Also the fact this is not an invasion here. That's an assimilation of an already albanian part of a "country", FYROM, which will implode soon or later. Albania is about to unify this part of territory and Kosovo without violence and war, and so with Bulgaria with the East part of FYROM. Not a big deal.

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Here you can find a short sneak preview of the future of FYROM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2UJm6Tbww&feature=related

The absorption by Albania.

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It is.. and this state should stop advertising themselves as some heir to ancient macedonians who are greek.

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Dr Duck
I think you should reconsider
you stance about thinking negatively of hellenic edeavour
critial thinking is one thing
but being bitter is another
i coclude that you are nothig else but "un aigri" tres desolais de le constater i amm really sorry for you. no matter your education and career it is a trait of character
sorry.

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To DC Weez.

Shame on you for writing these racist comments against Greece.Yes of course we are proud about our glorious past. YOU WOULD BE PROUD ALSO if your nation (i don;t know which one it is)gave to the western world, Democracy, Medicine, Philosophy, Theatre, Atom Theory, Mathematics, Technology, Astronomy,Geometry and thousands of others that do not fit and cannot understood by your small brain. Hellas is the cradle of western civilisation which its achievements were given to the whole world. Racism and darkness is not a characteristic of Greek people. We have learned to live in the light with other people and respect their cultures and we have managed to build great things in the modern times. Papanikolaou with the 'Pap'test that is still saving million of women all over the world from cancer IS NOT STUCK IN THE PAST. Melina Merkouri, Maria Callas,Odysseas Elytis, Giorgos Seferis, Manos Xatzidakis, Mikis Theodorakis, and many other Greeks that are living or have lived in modern times IS NOT STUCK IN THE PAST. Fighting and winning against fascist Italy in the 40's and delaying the march of nazi Germans in the battle of Crete IS NOT STUCK IN THE PAST.
We are very proud to be Greeks and we wish our politicians to find a viable solution for Fyrom. The only thing that we cannot accept is the distortion of history created by totalitarian regimes in the recent past. The people of FYROM have to understand that Greece is a modern state belonging to the EU and NATO. It will never invade Skopjia, because simply its the only nation in the area that wishes to help and support this state as soon as some politicians of FYROM stop at last driving their people to self destruction with their crazy nationalistic ideas.
Concerning Macedonia and Megas Alexanros I will not comment anything.History has been written and the excavations from Manolis Adronicos in Vergina have proven the historical truth. The rest is communist bullshit

To Dr Duck

You should change your name to Ostrich you bury your head in the sand and start to believe the crap that your so called government sells you. You will never be Macedonian .no matter what you call yourselves. your own president admitted to the world that you people have nothing to do with Ancient Macedonia, or Alexander the great who promoted Hellenism thru out the world. My guess is that having a Bulgarian background is not as sexy as the Greek Macedonian. sorry it sucks to be you.zito I Ellas zito I Makedonia.
Eleftheria I THANATOS said my Ancestors .long live Greek Macedonia the most beautiful land in the world.

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Because there is no such thing as a Macedonian language, even in ancient Macedonia. What the people of FYROM speak today is a clear dialect of the Bulgarian language. Ancient Macedonian coins and artifacts all display Greek letters. What is so hard to understand! Alexander spread the Greek culture, not the Slavic culture.

Joe, New York

I think everything in the Balkans is Greek! Hahahah. This is ridiculous. Greeks claim that basically everything around that part of the world is either Greek or has its roots somewhere in Greece, therefore Greek. Macedonia is not the only country in the Balkan neighborhood to have historical issues with Greece, there are more than a couple. Greece's irredentist claims are nothing new. Heck, Greeks ask every single foreigner of their name and then they say, for example: John, they reply: "What's your Greek name?". LOL. everything is Greek, remember!!! There is no other identity. . .

They are stuck in the past and I feel bad for them. Newsflash: Not everything is Greek or will ever be. Finally, if Greece has all of these territorial & identity claims with basically all of its bordering neighbors, has it ever occurred to anyone that they ARE wrong in their quest for a remake of the old Greek civilization or whatever it is that they like to call it? hehe, they should probably return the land they got as a result of the breakup of Albania after that country declared its independence. Oh, and I almost forgot, they are one of the few nations whose national heroes are not Greek: Alexander the Great (Macedonian), Kolokotronis (Albanian) etc. Oh, I also know that they claim that Attaturk was theirs...Oh, and Albania's Skanderbeg.... AHAHAHAHHA. Let's Hellenicize the world, it'd be a better place.

When I see a Greek or anyone I know I do not ask the following: "How were you 2k yrs ago?" Rather, I ask "How are you today?". Let the past go, you are not what you were, you are what you are. Focus on not being the fascist nation and terrible neighbor that you are!!! And lets not get into historical disputes with Turkey.... wheewww, it just sounds fishy, their history that is.

Respect from Washington, DC.

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You got another fact wrong too. Tito was not a Nazi supporter - he was a leader of the fiercely anti-Nazi and anti-German partisans in Slovenia, and this is very well documented. The Slovenes had their own problems in reconciling their warring factions (partisans versus "domobranci", or Home Guard) after World War II - only now being resolved by the equivalent of a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission". I would recommend the same for Greece.

Also, Tito would never have managed to govern all Yugoslavia until his death if he had been a Nazi collaborator.

Finally, bear in mind that Macedonia was the only one of the former Yugoslav republics to break away with no violence or bloodshed at all. Which tells you something...

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Mr Duck - The civil war in Greece was planted by the English & the Americans to weaken Greece who at that stage was recovering from the German/Italian occupation during 1940-1945. Over 100,000 Greeks died in the civil war - Tito the axis of evil in the Balkans as he sided with the Nazi's & killed many Serbs. Mr Duck go & fly away to your Skopjian lake as it's Duck season in Greece - you might get shot at!

I live in Macedonia but believe that the Ancient Macedonians were of a Hellenic race. People of Greece - you can have your Alexander the Great.

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I dont know of any other Macedonians than the Greeks.

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FYROM people - you can thank Marshall Tito for brain washing you all after 1944. He created a false nation of bulgarian speaking slavs & told them that your ancestors came from Ancient Macedonia. Back then I bet all you bulgarian speaking race would not have known who Alexander the Great was? Why didn't Alexander the Great spread the slavic language when he conquered lands? I'm of Anglo/Celtic blood & at school we were taught that the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks like the Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians. What planet are you all living on?

Perhaps it's better to place a statue of Tito in Skopje - so you all can see him & thank him for creating a false nation...

Just because you don't agree with someone, does not mean you can start calling them names.
Doing so does get you banned though!

Please keep this discussion civilized.

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18 years ago in Vienna I met a greek professor of literature and she was arguing with me about the existence of Macedonian language. She said to me: 'Macedonian language is Esperanto!' I was really shocked how ignorant she was, and I said to her* 'Do you really believe this nonsense? My parents and my grandparents were all speaking Macedonian since they were born, so how can you say that Macedonian language is artificial?' She didn't want to accept my argument.

A Hamilton.

Gruevskis's grandfathers's name was Nikolaos Grouios from Ahlada, Florina, Macedonia, Greece. The guy is Greek. He's proud of his Macedonian Greek heritage.

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Does anyone else find it ironic that they subjects of the huge 10 million Euro statue that Gruevski wants to build in Skopje have Greek names: Alexander = defender of men; Bucephalos = ox-shaped head?

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I know I am Macedonian; there is no other Macedonians only Greek Macedonians.

Its a shame there is such misunderstanding on both sides. I think there are two types of Macedonians. Even if FYROM compromises on the name, will the
Macedonian slavs ever accept any other name for their identity and language other than, Macedonian? No.

Do you Slavic frauds really believe you are Macedonian?
I can call myself Atlantian (from the lost place of Atlantis) but that doesn't mean it is true..no matter how often I repeat it and no matter how many other people I pay say it is true.
By the way identity theft is a crime worldwide...so all the Slavic FYROM people are guilty of identity theft. What a sad bunch of knobs the FYROM people are to think they can steal another people's historical and cultural rights.

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