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Greek election result could have impact on name dispute – reports

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Greek election result could have impact on name dispute – reports

PROTEST: A Macedonian protests in front of parliament in Skopje in March 2009 after the legislature cancelled a debate on changing the country's name.


Greek election result could have impact on name dispute – reports

WELCOME: Montenegro's president Filip Vujanovic, left, welcomes Macedonia's president Gjorge Ivanov before a summit of heads of state from South Eastern Europe on June 4 on the topic of promoting heritage diversity as part of tourism.


Greek election result could have impact on name dispute – reports

George Papandreou, leader of Greek socialist party Pasok.


The reverses suffered by Greek prime minister Costas Karamanlis’s New Democracy party in the country’s European Parliament elections have raised the possibility of early national elections, which in turn could delay negotiations on a solution to the dispute between Athens and Skopje on the use of the name Macedonia, Vreme newspaper said in Skopje.

In the June 7 2009 European Parliament elections, New Democracy lost ground to socialist party Pasok, led by George Papandreou.
Vreme said that if a caretaker government was installed, the name dispute negotiations could be delayed.

On June 9, Greek daily Kathimerini said that Matthew Nimetz, the United Nations mediator in the name dispute, was expected to announce this week when he will next meet with the negotiators for the two sides, sources said yesterday.

Nimetz is expected to contact ambassadors Adamantios Vassilakis and Zoran Jolevski in a bid to get the negotiation process, which has stalled since last year, back on track.

According to a report by Macedonian International News Agency (MINA), Macedonian president Gjorge Ivanov said on June 8 that his country wanted to reach a "reasonable compromise" in the name talks.

"A solution that will not disrupt the Macedonian identity or topple the people's pride," Ivanov said, repeating his earlier statement that any proposed compromise would be put to a referendum.

"The compromise must also be accepted by the population," Ivanov said.

Karamanlis, asked about the name dispute in a June 3 2009 interview with Greece’s ANA-MPA's Net-TV, said: "Our position is clear on this, clear and steadfast. Besides, everyone knows this now, and that is how we reached the two, in my opinion correct, decisions in Bucharest (the Nato summit at which Athens blocked an invitation being sent to Skopje to join the alliance) and later at the European Union.

"A mutually acceptable name, a composite name with a geographical determinant that will make clear the distinction from Greek Macedonia and will be in effect universally, for all uses. We desire good relations with that country. We want to support its choices for (membership in) Europe and the Alliance, but that is the prerequisite, and it is an inviolable condition," Karamanlis said.

At a Pasok campaign rally on June 1 ahead of the European Parliament election,         Papandreou ruled out a "double formula" for settling the Macedonia name dispute.
 

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Преглед на профил robertmkaus Wed, Nov 30 2011 13:23 CET

@Aussie Bob: Anglo-Celtic Australian are citizens of Australia with British and/or Irish ancestral origins. In 1999, the Anglo-Celtic ethnic strength in the Australian population was calculated as 69.88%. This represents a proportional decline from 1947 when Anglo-Celtic ethnic strength was 90% and 1988 when it was 74.55%. The study also projected that in 2025 the Anglo-Celtic proportion will fall to 62.5%. A 1996 study of the ethnic origins of the Australian people shows:
12,438,600 people had English origins.
5,454,200 people had Irish origins.
5,393,800 people had Scottish origins.
768,100 people had Cornish [...]

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727,800 people had Welsh origins.
46,600 people had Manx origins.
1,500 people had Breton origins.
Which group do you belong to, Bob from Australia? I live in Australia, and my group has a growing number of people who can more and more feel free to declare themselves as Macedonians of Macedonian origin (not Bulgarian or Greek or Serbian). If you didn't know, Macedonian is an official language spoken by the fifth or fourth biggest minority group, after the Chinese, the Indians, the Arabs, and the Greeks (which is questionable, as half or more of those who were counted as Greeks are actually Greeks who speak the so-called "Slavo-Macedonian language" actually it is Macedonian language spoken in Macedonia. There are three provinces in Greece called Macedonia (not one), namely: 1. West Macedonia (9,451 km², population 301,522, capital Kozani), 2. Central Macedonia (18,811 km², population 1,871,952, capital Thessaloniki), and 3. East Macedonia (5,579 km², population 249,029, capital Kavala) and that is the reason why Greece wants to give a specific geographical name to the Republic of Macedonia, according to their mind-set, Northern Macedonia (Skopje), because they have 3 Macedonians, so they want to have a 4th one. Once we accept their proposal and enter the European Union, soon they will request that Northern Macedonia should become part of Greece and therefore Macedonia will be a complete picture.
If you accept that Ireland should be renamed Southern Ireland because there is Northern Ireland that is part of UK, and that Southern Ireland should join the UK because anyway you are one Anglo-Celtic race, then also I will not mind that Macedonia should be united under Greece.

Anonymous Nicholas - MK, UK Thu, Oct 01 2009 01:07 CET

I believe that the most accurate book of all times can bring some light to this dispute... PLEASE READ THE BIBLE, THE BOOK OF DANIEL CHAPTER 8.

In chapter 8 verses 20-22 we read: 'The ram which you saw having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.' [...]

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Looking at history - the large horn represents Alexander the Great (king of Grecia) - who sweeps through the area conquering people - overcoming Persia - around 333 BC - some 100 plus years after Daniel had this vision. Alexander conquers Persia and heads to Egypt. Josephus - the Jewish historian - records that when Alexander approached Jerusalem - threatening to take the city - the high priests took copies of the Book of Daniel - this very prophecy - took copies of it out and showed it to Alexander. When Alexander saw that it had been predicted that he was to conquer Persia and rule the world he spared Jerusalem... etc etc etc

PLEASE READ THE BIBLE IT WILL SAVE YOU A LOT OF STRIVE..

With Love and Respect.

Anonymous David Sun, Jul 19 2009 20:54 CET

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Anonymous Aristotle = David Sat, Jul 11 2009 12:58 CET

Did the poison of the scorpion that stung you in Greece go to your head. Seriously now, we've read you're trickery and know how you attempt to anger readers so as to engage them in a debate where only you win. Do get a life before your children put you in a senior's home where you will no longer have access to the internet

Indulge us David...how old are you?

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Anonymous Aristotle Sun, Jun 28 2009 17:30 CET

Unfazed is actually right about the British and French fleets making Greek independence possible in 1821 (they together ambushed in the Pelloponese the Turkish fleet, which otherwise would have brought reinforcements to the Ottoman troop fighting the Greek rebels.)

If that hadn't happened, there could well not have been an independent Greek nation today (it would probably have been divided between Bulgaria and Italy.) So Greece has reason to be more grateful to Britain and France than it has to Ancient Greece.

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Anonymous unfazed Sun, Jun 28 2009 14:48 CET

We the Macedonians did not have to fight in the breakup of Yugoslavia, because unlike the Greeks, we used diplomacy and wit!Your right about our parents not wanting to fight any more, after witnessing the ethnic cleansing and brutality of the Greeks in Aegean Macedonia in so called civil war! As for your dream of your army being stronger than Turkey's, dream on master of the insults!!

Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Sat, Jun 27 2009 22:03 CET

"Macedonia (wisely) did not fight Serbia" :
How could Greece fight against his orthodox brother country Serbia? I don't get you there...

Also Turkey isn't a democracy, but a military dictature, that's why it has no vocation with its current political situation to enter the EU. Turkey has to do hundred of reforms, but very risky...

If the military regime desintegrates, so their state as well. Kurdistan will be created, Armenia will get his stolen part of the turkish territory back. Bulgaria will get back Tsarigrad (Istanbul / Constantinopolis)
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So don't think that Turkey is so strong. Think one day if the USA stop to support Turkey for some reasons, and choose instead Bulgaria as mediterranean and oriental basis.

That's the end of Turkey, molya.


Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Sat, Jun 27 2009 21:45 CET

Mikroskopjans have any clue about fighting, battle and heroism. They even didn't fight in the Yugoslavia's war, and asked quickly their independance, because they are a bunch of cowards, which were too much afraid of violence after all the bloodshed their parents had seen in the Greek Civil War of 1916-49.

Anonymous unfazed Sat, Jun 27 2009 18:36 CET

That's why you Greeks want to be called Macedonians because their strength and bravery. As for you beating Turkey, what a laugh, you should pray Uncle Sam never backs Turkey! As for the fight for Greek independance, you did not read your history to well, as if it was not for the British and French fleet there wasn't going to be a Greek nation today!!

Anonymous Aristotle Sat, Jun 27 2009 13:32 CET

How can Greece fight against its orthodox brother country FYROM ?

The same logic applies

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Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Fri, Jun 26 2009 01:49 CET

"Macedonia (wisely) did not fight Serbia" :
How could Greece fight against his orthodox brother country Serbia? I don't get you there...

Also Turkey isn't a democracy, but a military dictature, that's why it has no vocation with its current political situation to enter the EU. Turkey has to do hundred of reforms, but very risky...

If the military regime desintegrates, so their state as well. Kurdistan will be created, Armenia will get his stolen part of the turkish territory back.

So don't think that Turkey [...]

Read the full comment is so strong. Think one day if the USA stop to support Turkey for some reasons, and choose instead Greece as mediterranean and oriental basis.

That's the end of Turkey, kardash.

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Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Thu, Jun 25 2009 22:41 CET

Mikroskopjans have any clue about fighting, battle and heroism. They even didn't fight in the Yugoslavia's war, and asked quickly their independance, because they are a bunch of cowards, which were too much afraid of violence... Baby cries, OMG, etc.

Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Thu, Jun 25 2009 22:37 CET

1 Turk can beat 100 Greeks, you said? Well, but explain how Greece became independant in the 19th century after 400 years? 1 Greek beated 1000 Turks during that time! And think now the Kurds are still under the turc-ottoman regime and are not free. That means the value of the greek miracle and glory at its best!

In FYROM, no heroism, but lot of heroine...

Also Cyprus is not Greece's main problem anymore. Cypriots are independant and it's better like this. It's like there are not only one, but 2 "Greece", [...]

Read the full comment and Cyprus is very, very rich contrary to FYROM, the poorest "pseudo-state" in Europe. They will not enter EU before 2045 together with Turkey (if they even enter, something I doubt for obvious reasons...).

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Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Thu, Jun 25 2009 19:27 CET

You can't beat us. You have no Macedonian blood. Only Greek have and are Macedonian. 1 Greek beats easily 100 Mikroskopjans, haha!

Anonymous unfazed Thu, Jun 25 2009 18:26 CET

To United Albania and Spartaa, I'll take one real Macedonian over 5 Greeks or 10 Albanians any day!!

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Anonymous Spartaa!!!!! Thu, Jun 25 2009 01:01 CET

Get this in your face, FYROM! This comes from King Leonidas:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZeYVIWz99I

SPAAAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAA
PAAAAAAAAAARTAAAAAAAAAA

Anonymous United Albania Wed, Jun 24 2009 21:45 CET

Also get prepared by this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2UJm6Tbww&feature=related

Soon or later, that will happen and United Albania will rise again!

AnonymousSpela Wed, Jun 24 2009 16:35 CET

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Anonymous Undisputed Greek Macedonia Tue, Jun 23 2009 18:29 CET

Your star wars reference is very childish if you want my opinion. That proves to all of us you are a joker and not a serious interlocutor.

But from what I watched from this movie, at the end, Greek Jedis kill the Darth Vardar. Happy end!

AnonymousSpelaTue, Jun 23 2009 17:47 CET

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Anonymous United Albania Tue, Jun 23 2009 12:49 CET

Not really... You still misunderstand with "La Croix Rouge" and "Médecins sans frontière". Enough lies, dear Spela. Thank you.

Also get prepared by this :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2UJm6Tbww&feature=related

Soon or later, that will happen and United Albania will rise again!

AnonymousSpelaTue, Jun 23 2009 10:42 CET

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Anonymous United Albania Mon, Jun 22 2009 17:48 CET

You misunderstand NATO with "La Croix Rouge" now...

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Anonymous United Albania Mon, Jun 22 2009 01:55 CET

There is nothing childish or unrealistic in this video. Did you count in how many parts Yougoslavia exploded? I know the truth isn't easy to digest.

The NATO rules firmly forbid this, but that's not something which can avoid the inevitable. Some countries like France by the past went out NATO, and they re-enter the alliance recently.
Also the fact this is not an invasion here. That's an assimilation of an already albanian part of a "country", FYROM, which will implode soon or later. Albania is about to unify this part of territory and [...]

Read the full comment Kosovo without violence and war, and so with Bulgaria with the East part of FYROM. Not a big deal.

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Anonymous United Albania Thu, Jun 18 2009 12:47 CET

Here you can find a short sneak preview of the future of FYROM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO2UJm6Tbww&feature=related

The absorption by Albania.

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Anonymous Macedonia is Greek Tue, Jun 16 2009 12:58 CET

It is.. and this state should stop advertising themselves as some heir to ancient macedonians who are greek.

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Anonymous Aries Fri, Jun 12 2009 22:50 CET

Dr Duck
I think you should reconsider
you stance about thinking negatively of hellenic edeavour
critial thinking is one thing
but being bitter is another
i coclude that you are nothig else but "un aigri" tres desolais de le constater i amm really sorry for you. no matter your education and career it is a trait of character
sorry.

AnonymousDr DuckFri, Jun 12 2009 18:49 CET

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Anonymous Politis Fri, Jun 12 2009 11:23 CET

To DC Weez.

Shame on you for writing these racist comments against Greece.Yes of course we are proud about our glorious past. YOU WOULD BE PROUD ALSO if your nation (i don;t know which one it is)gave to the western world, Democracy, Medicine, Philosophy, Theatre, Atom Theory, Mathematics, Technology, Astronomy,Geometry and thousands of others that do not fit and cannot understood by your small brain. Hellas is the cradle of western civilisation which its achievements were given to the whole world. Racism and darkness is not a characteristic of Greek people. We have learned to live [...]

Read the full comment in the light with other people and respect their cultures and we have managed to build great things in the modern times. Papanikolaou with the 'Pap'test that is still saving million of women all over the world from cancer IS NOT STUCK IN THE PAST. Melina Merkouri, Maria Callas,Odysseas Elytis, Giorgos Seferis, Manos Xatzidakis, Mikis Theodorakis, and many other Greeks that are living or have lived in modern times IS NOT STUCK IN THE PAST. Fighting and winning against fascist Italy in the 40's and delaying the march of nazi Germans in the battle of Crete IS NOT STUCK IN THE PAST.
We are very proud to be Greeks and we wish our politicians to find a viable solution for Fyrom. The only thing that we cannot accept is the distortion of history created by totalitarian regimes in the recent past. The people of FYROM have to understand that Greece is a modern state belonging to the EU and NATO. It will never invade Skopjia, because simply its the only nation in the area that wishes to help and support this state as soon as some politicians of FYROM stop at last driving their people to self destruction with their crazy nationalistic ideas.
Concerning Macedonia and Megas Alexanros I will not comment anything.History has been written and the excavations from Manolis Adronicos in Vergina have proven the historical truth. The rest is communist bullshit

Anonymous Macedonia belongs to Greece Fri, Jun 12 2009 01:33 CET

To Dr Duck

You should change your name to Ostrich you bury your head in the sand and start to believe the crap that your so called government sells you. You will never be Macedonian .no matter what you call yourselves. your own president admitted to the world that you people have nothing to do with Ancient Macedonia, or Alexander the great who promoted Hellenism thru out the world. My guess is that having a Bulgarian background is not as sexy as the Greek Macedonian. sorry it sucks to be you.zito I Ellas zito I Makedonia. [...]

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Eleftheria I THANATOS said my Ancestors .long live Greek Macedonia the most beautiful land in the world.

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Anonymous Joseph Thu, Jun 11 2009 22:26 CET

Because there is no such thing as a Macedonian language, even in ancient Macedonia. What the people of FYROM speak today is a clear dialect of the Bulgarian language. Ancient Macedonian coins and artifacts all display Greek letters. What is so hard to understand! Alexander spread the Greek culture, not the Slavic culture.

Joe, New York

Anonymous DCweez Thu, Jun 11 2009 19:52 CET

I think everything in the Balkans is Greek! Hahahah. This is ridiculous. Greeks claim that basically everything around that part of the world is either Greek or has its roots somewhere in Greece, therefore Greek. Macedonia is not the only country in the Balkan neighborhood to have historical issues with Greece, there are more than a couple. Greece's irredentist claims are nothing new. Heck, Greeks ask every single foreigner of their name and then they say, for example: John, they reply: "What's your Greek name?". LOL. everything is Greek, remember!!! There is no other identity. . .

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Read the full comment /> They are stuck in the past and I feel bad for them. Newsflash: Not everything is Greek or will ever be. Finally, if Greece has all of these territorial & identity claims with basically all of its bordering neighbors, has it ever occurred to anyone that they ARE wrong in their quest for a remake of the old Greek civilization or whatever it is that they like to call it? hehe, they should probably return the land they got as a result of the breakup of Albania after that country declared its independence. Oh, and I almost forgot, they are one of the few nations whose national heroes are not Greek: Alexander the Great (Macedonian), Kolokotronis (Albanian) etc. Oh, I also know that they claim that Attaturk was theirs...Oh, and Albania's Skanderbeg.... AHAHAHAHHA. Let's Hellenicize the world, it'd be a better place.

When I see a Greek or anyone I know I do not ask the following: "How were you 2k yrs ago?" Rather, I ask "How are you today?". Let the past go, you are not what you were, you are what you are. Focus on not being the fascist nation and terrible neighbor that you are!!! And lets not get into historical disputes with Turkey.... wheewww, it just sounds fishy, their history that is.

Respect from Washington, DC.

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Anonymous Troy Poustis Thu, Jun 11 2009 16:07 CET

You got another fact wrong too. Tito was not a Nazi supporter - he was a leader of the fiercely anti-Nazi and anti-German partisans in Slovenia, and this is very well documented. The Slovenes had their own problems in reconciling their warring factions (partisans versus "domobranci", or Home Guard) after World War II - only now being resolved by the equivalent of a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission". I would recommend the same for Greece.

Also, Tito would never have managed to govern all Yugoslavia until his death if he had been a Nazi collaborator.
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Finally, bear in mind that Macedonia was the only one of the former Yugoslav republics to break away with no violence or bloodshed at all. Which tells you something...

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Anonymous Troy Poutses Thu, Jun 11 2009 11:02 CET

Mr Duck - The civil war in Greece was planted by the English & the Americans to weaken Greece who at that stage was recovering from the German/Italian occupation during 1940-1945. Over 100,000 Greeks died in the civil war - Tito the axis of evil in the Balkans as he sided with the Nazi's & killed many Serbs. Mr Duck go & fly away to your Skopjian lake as it's Duck season in Greece - you might get shot at!

Anonymous Tom Kutelvski Thu, Jun 11 2009 10:54 CET

I live in Macedonia but believe that the Ancient Macedonians were of a Hellenic race. People of Greece - you can have your Alexander the Great.

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Thu, Jun 11 2009 04:07 CET

I dont know of any other Macedonians than the Greeks.

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Anonymous Aussie Bob Wed, Jun 10 2009 14:34 CET

FYROM people - you can thank Marshall Tito for brain washing you all after 1944. He created a false nation of bulgarian speaking slavs & told them that your ancestors came from Ancient Macedonia. Back then I bet all you bulgarian speaking race would not have known who Alexander the Great was? Why didn't Alexander the Great spread the slavic language when he conquered lands? I'm of Anglo/Celtic blood & at school we were taught that the Ancient Macedonians were Greeks like the Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians. What planet are you all living on?

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Read the full comment to place a statue of Tito in Skopje - so you all can see him & thank him for creating a false nation...

Преглед на профил TSE Moderator Wed, Jun 10 2009 12:19 CET

Just because you don't agree with someone, does not mean you can start calling them names.
Doing so does get you banned though!

Please keep this discussion civilized.

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Anonymous Robert Josifoski Wed, Jun 10 2009 06:51 CET

18 years ago in Vienna I met a greek professor of literature and she was arguing with me about the existence of Macedonian language. She said to me: 'Macedonian language is Esperanto!' I was really shocked how ignorant she was, and I said to her* 'Do you really believe this nonsense? My parents and my grandparents were all speaking Macedonian since they were born, so how can you say that Macedonian language is artificial?' She didn't want to accept my argument.

Anonymous gialtouridis Tue, Jun 09 2009 23:55 CET

A Hamilton.

Gruevskis's grandfathers's name was Nikolaos Grouios from Ahlada, Florina, Macedonia, Greece. The guy is Greek. He's proud of his Macedonian Greek heritage.

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Anonymous A. Hamilton Tue, Jun 09 2009 22:47 CET

Does anyone else find it ironic that they subjects of the huge 10 million Euro statue that Gruevski wants to build in Skopje have Greek names: Alexander = defender of men; Bucephalos = ox-shaped head?

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Anonymous Alitis Tue, Jun 09 2009 19:08 CET

I know I am Macedonian; there is no other Macedonians only Greek Macedonians.

Anonymous cons Tue, Jun 09 2009 17:46 CET

Its a shame there is such misunderstanding on both sides. I think there are two types of Macedonians. Even if FYROM compromises on the name, will the
Macedonian slavs ever accept any other name for their identity and language other than, Macedonian? No.

Anonymous Englishman Tue, Jun 09 2009 17:24 CET

Do you Slavic frauds really believe you are Macedonian?
I can call myself Atlantian (from the lost place of Atlantis) but that doesn't mean it is true..no matter how often I repeat it and no matter how many other people I pay say it is true.
By the way identity theft is a crime worldwide...so all the Slavic FYROM people are guilty of identity theft. What a sad bunch of knobs the FYROM people are to think they can steal another people's historical and cultural rights.

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Situation in northern Kosovo and EU-facilitated dialogue between Belgrade and Priština discussed at the United Nations.

Reshuffle in Romania

New prime minister-designate faces task of rehabilitating image of ruling party with cabinet of second-stringers.

Greece reaches accord on austerity demands from its lenders

Greece needs the aid package from the European Union, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund in order to avoid defaulting on $19 billion in bond payments due in March.