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Kosovo again bars Serbian minister from entry

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Kosovo again bars Serbian minister from entry

An EULEX police officer stands in front of the police station in the Serb-dominated town of Gracanica, December 9 2008.

Serbia’s minister for Kosovo Goran Bogdanovic and presidential adviser Mladan Djordjevic were banned from entering Kosovo on May 27 2009, Serbian and Kosovo media said.
 
Serbian news reports quoted Kosovo officials as saying that the two were "unwelcome in Kosovo" and the visit was banned through the European Union mission EULEX.
 
Serbia’s B92 quoted Gnjilane municipal chairman Predrag Stojkovic as saying that he "does not understand the reasons for the ban", because Bogdanovic’s family lives in Kosovo.
 
Kosovo newspaper Koha Ditore quoted Kosovo police spokesperson Arber Beka as saying that police at all border crossings got the decision from the Kosovo government to
deny entry to Bogdanovic and Djordjevic.
 
Beka told Koha Ditore that Bogdanovic and Djordevic had not appeared at any border crossings. Serbia said that the two had not attempted to enter Kosovo after they learnt of the ban.
 
In February 2009, a dispute erupted over the rights or otherwise of Serbian officials to enter Kosovo after Pristina barred Bogdanovic from entry.
 
Kosovo daily Express said on February 23 2009 that Serbia's state secretary at the Kosovo ministry, Oliver Ivanovic, said that Serbian officials would not ask permission to enter Kosovo because, in terms of United Nations Security Council resolution 1244, it remained part of Serbia.
 
According to Express, Ivanovic said: "To the extent there are international representatives here, we do not need permission to enter. They cannot stop us from entering and neither would anyone respect a possible ban of theirs".
 
Ivanovic said that Serbian officials who travelled to Kosovo spoke to UNMIK officials, not to get permission, but request an escort because they did not feel safe while visiting Serb enclaves and the Serb community in Kosovo in general.
 
Express said that officials of the United Nations mission in Kosovo said that they could not offer any further escorts to any delegation that visits the country, including to Serbia, because the mission does not have any police available.
 
Any request for an escort made to UNMIK was passed on to Kosovo's interior ministry and the European Union rule of law mission EULEX.
 
In February, Bogdanovic said: "For all visits and stay in Kosovo and Metohija the Serbian government representatives speak to UNMIK or EULEX, as the only legitimate international missions in the province, which is currently a UN protectorate, according to UN Security Council Resolution 1244." 

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Anonymous bosanac Tue, Jul 07 2009 07:17 CET

greetings from bosnia! long live the free republic of kosovo! may you last a 1000 years.

my message to serbs is to never ever give up on your sacred homeland, "kosovo and metohija" and continue to fight for it in vain for at leats my lifetime. :)

please devote all your resources for this important but endless battle. and isolate yourselves from the west who has treated you so unfairly for the last 15 years.

i live in bosnia and i can feel you will soon take a [...]

Read the full comment part of bosnia as well and make into a greater serbia. keep it up. after 15 years you are almost there.... the foundations of bosnia are shaking beneath my feet, bosnia is tearing apart as write this...

to be honest, very soon i see all serbs in one country. form belgarde to kraljevo from nis to novi pazar.

AnonymousPeggyWed, Jun 03 2009 07:56 CET

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Anonymous Peggy Wed, Jun 03 2009 03:20 CET

Dr. Corneluis, it's hard to abandon bad blood when it's constnatly in your face.
The wars in Balkans are so frequent that every generation renews the violence which makes it impossible for all the bad blood to stop.

Communism has kept a lid on this, but we all know that you cannot legistlate against hate. It must breed out through generations.
The west knows this very well and they have taken advantage of this bad blood between the people there.

Maybe the only thing that will save the [...]

Read the full comment Balkans is partition. Everyone for themselves and see where that takes them. Perhaps Kosovo needs to be partitioned and Bosnia as well. Neither Croats nor Serbs wish to live in a country ruled by Muslims. The west will have to admit this or we will have the next generation paying the price for this one not being able to sort it out.

Maybe I am wrong but I cannot see this ending well any other way.

Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Tue, Jun 02 2009 20:01 CET

Paggy - yes, entirely agreed. The only thing I would add to your otherwise excellent analysis is that the old traditions of blood feuds and ancestral memories do seem to live on in the Balkans more than they should - the Albanian / Shqiperian "Kanun of Lek" being one very pertinent example.

Suppressed by the Communists (well, they got one thing right, at least), it's now back in force again. As regards womens' rights, it makes the Taliban look positively liberal by comparison.

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Anonymous Peggy Mon, Jun 01 2009 16:38 CET

Dr.Corneluous, I fear that this issue will go on for far too long as well.

I wish peace and stability in the Balkans because people have suffered far too much. For what? So some greedy American can make a quick buck?

The wars are fought by people who have been played and manipulated. The American moto is if you can get someone else to fight for your gain so much the better. Let them fight each other instead of us having to fight them. It certainly has worked in the Balkans. Pity. [...]

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Mon, Jun 01 2009 16:33 CET

Well, given that the original quote that started this thread was not actually from me (I would never have used the word "Solun", for example), I have no real responsibility for starting it.

But you, Peggy, have "defended your corner" well against a determined opponent, and most of what you say is very well-founded. My genuine congratulations.

I make no other comment, other than the fear that the Albanian issue will rumble on for generations.

Anonymous pugilist Mon, Jun 01 2009 04:37 CET

forget about democracy and freedoms since everybody can't compromise let's fight it out and winner take all

Anonymous Peggy Mon, Jun 01 2009 03:29 CET

Every time I read Albanian comments, I see that FYROM is being threatened by the Albanians to tow the line or else.
Many times I have read comments like, in time we will become the majority simply by outbreeding you so do as we want or else.

You say that you don't threaten your neighbours but comments like these are constnat. Also comments like part of Macedonia is actually Albanian land take away as are parts of Montenegro.

Kosovo is not Albanian. When was it Albanian? Please show me a [...]

Read the full comment map which shows that Kosovo belonged to Albanian at any time. How far back in history do you want to go?

Again, please tell me if you feel that America should be ruled by the Indians because they are the indigenious people (and there is proof of that) as Australia should be ruled by the Aborigines. At least there is proof of their existance prior to white man. Where is your proof of destroyed Illyrian churches before Serbs settled in that region?
Where is your proof that you are connected to Illyrians in any way. You don't have it just like the FYROMs don't have proof of ancient Macednoan ancestry.

Anonymous Kosovar_Alb. Sun, May 31 2009 20:47 CET

peggy,Fyrom is in trouble politically and geographically,the main danger come from it's politicians ,not from it's neighbours.Their politicians claim something that they have nothing to do with,the History of real Macedonia is Greece and Illyrian/Albanian.....!As for serbian Churches in Kosovo,yes they are serbian Churches today,many of them were build in the ruins of Illyrian/Albanian Catholic Churches...!They are yours and will remain your Churches no doubt about it.My point is,serbia belong to serbian people and Kosovo belong to Kosovo people no matter who live in there.Our intention is to live free and in peace with all our neighbours incl.serbia,there are many [...]

Read the full comment things to do in Kosovo like integration of minorities and economy etc.i'm sure that will happen step by step,as for serbian churches,every one can visit them from serbia,no one will stop you from doing that.One thing is very clear,Kosovo will never be under Belgrade/Serbian administration.

Anonymous Peggy Sun, May 31 2009 09:14 CET

KosovoAlb, I suppose by your logic FYROMs should leave Macedonia and go back to Bulgaria etc. Then Macedonia would be right for you to take.

It seem to me you claim some mythical Illyrian ancestry without any proof.

I said that the churches and monasteries of Kosovo belong to Serbs not Illyrians. Where do you get your information from?

Anonymous Kosovar_Alb. Sun, May 31 2009 06:47 CET

@ peggy,I have to admit,you are 100% right when you say Fyrom-ers have nothing to do with real macedonian history,they just live in the country! This is the same with serbia proper,slavic language and nationality,live in the Illyrian/albanian territory,you are absolutely right.I like the fact that you are coming close to reality,i call it a step in the right direction,a success.So,now is about time to realize and recognise Kosovo Independence,peggy!Let's look toward future,,leave the History to the Historians.Peace

Anonymous Kosovar _Alb. Sun, May 31 2009 06:25 CET

@ peggy,1,I speak the language which is one of the oldest in Europe-if not the oldest!2,the archaeological findings in Kosovo speaks for it self,our ancestors are Illyrians,they are probably the oldest tribe in the Balkan(according to Archaeological finding there is proof that Illyrians lived there for more than, at least 4800 years or 2800 BC...!) 3,The monastery in Deqan(Deqan is also my home town)is build with the ruins of an Illyrian/Albanian Catholic Church,300 meters north of monastery walls lay the foundation of the Illyrian Church,you can see it very clear today,in other words, Byzantine Orthodox Church destroyed Albanian Catholic Churches [...]

Read the full comment in order to convert us to Orthodox faith but they failed,just as serbia failed to assimilate Albanians in Kosovo,MN,Fyrom etc.We accepted or converted to Islam not because we loved it(at the time XIII Cent.)but we saw it as a savior of our Illyrian/Albanian identity,because the Byzantine Church and slavic orthodox tried to shut down our Catholic church...!4,We Albanians have protect "your"monastery of Deqan during the Ottoman Empire...!Do you really believe that,if we wanted to destroy the monastery we couldn't do it,in the time of 600 years under ottomans?Hell yeah,if we wanted at that period of time we could make it disappear over night,but we never even thought about it...!Do you know how easy it was to destroy that church if we wanted to do so during the 600 years ottoman rule?I live 2 km from monastirey,it never bothered me or any Albanians,(thought 90% muslim),and never will bother me or any of us,as long as they stay away from politics,a Church or Mosque has nothing to do with politics,they are there help people with spiritual matter not putting borders in place or tell the State what to do ...!PS. I know you are going to ask or think,what about march/2004? I regret that,things like that has happened in Kosovo,i believe it will never happen again.I suported the KLA and still do,they are our Heroes,i'm against any war,but when the war come to my house,i have to protect myself with all means.I recommend you to visit Kosovo and to see it's beauty no wonder serbia is so mad about our Independence,if you are an Diplomat from serbia make sure you ask for visa before you travel to Republic of Kosova/soon to be Republic of Dardania :)

Anonymous Peggy Sat, May 30 2009 17:10 CET

Dr. Cornelius, I am commenting on Kosovo situation and not on the Macedonian situation.

From what I see Macedonia is an ancient land but the present day FYROMs are not linked to the ancient Macedonians. The language is Slavic in FYROM and not anything remotely resembling what Alexander spoke. I would like to see today's Macedonian (from FYROM) try to interpret what is written on some artifacts. No chance. It's similar to America. America has a very long history (before the white man) but the present day American has nothing to do with that. He is [...]

Read the full comment not linked in any way to that history. He is an American but not the American (Indian) who is linked to that history.

Same deal in FYROM. The Macedonians living on that land today have nothing to do with Alexander Macedonians. If they did, they would not need Greeks to interpret what is on the artifacts. Can you see where I am coming from now?
There are no Macedonians on that part of Macedonia who have any connection with the ancient Macedonians any more. Therefore, just like the white American cannot claim American history before he came neither can the Slaving Macedonian claim ancient Macedonian history or it's heroes.

It's just common sense.

Anonymous Peggy Sat, May 30 2009 17:02 CET

KosovoAlb, enough of this go back to Russia crap. Serbs are not Russian.
Like I said, tell the same thing to the Americans. Tell them to go back to where ever they originally come from and see what you get back. Grow up.
My challenge to you was to tell me what proof do you have of any Albanian existence in Kosovo before the Serbs. Even if there was a small number of you scattered around the mountains you have not left a mark. Serbs did not conquer but settle that region all those centuries ago. [...]

Read the full comment This happened all over the world through history. So are you going to now tell the whole world to rewind a thousand years and resettle the population?

Australia had aborigines living on that land for tens of thousands of years before the white man conquered that land and I suppose you would tell the white man to go back now as well. This country was taken by murder of many aborigines where Kosovo was not. Are you trying to tell us that Serbs murdered Albanians in Kosovo to take that land?

Think about what you are saying and see whether it makes any sense to you.

Bottom line, you guys have no proof of owning the land before Serbs settled there. If you do, please show me the proof.

Anonymous benzo Sat, May 30 2009 06:45 CET

come on people all of u stop it ..we know how kosovo will end ..the west does 2 things when they find themselves in losing situations..a)throw a lotta money and people at problem or b)turn around and run -- no one and i mean no one will spend money or people in kosovo today. k albanians will need serbia very soon lets work it out guys !!!!

Anonymous Kosovar_Alb. Sat, May 30 2009 06:36 CET

@ peggy,we will ban you guys until you learn how to be a human being,the Republic of Kosovo has it's institutions where serbian officials can ask for visa and im sure they will get visas!The magic is that you have to learn how to respect others,yes,YOU HAVE TO LEARN THAT,have to is a MUST.

Anonymous Piggy Sat, May 30 2009 06:15 CET

"Kosovo banning Serbian ministers is like squatters banning the rightful owner from entering his own house."

No one is stopping you guys from Russia, get it right!

Anonymous Kosovar_Alb Sat, May 30 2009 01:17 CET

@ peggy,now you are acting very bitchy!If you say the serbian churches are there since XIII(13)century,it's fine with me,but,where have you been befor that time?you are killing your self with your hate for Albanians.I will promisse you that,there will be no chenge in your favour anymore,enough is enough,serbia will never have any power in Kosovo,YES NEVER AGAIN.I see bright days ahead,unlike you.I never saw any fake people like you guys,you don't have anything to hold on,except your big propaganda(i must admit you are good on it)!I recommand you to read History books from many not 1 Western aothors,because your History [...]

Read the full comment is written by serb extreme nationalists.Wake up te reality lady,you live very unhappy live with all that hate,learn to live with the truth!

Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Fri, May 29 2009 22:08 CET

Hang on - this site has rather poor ID checks. I (the real Cornelius) did NOT say that Republic of Macedonia had a right to "Solun" (i.e. Thessaloniki) and to Aegean Macedonia, not least as I happen to believe precisely the opposite !

The Kosovo question - all going back to the battle of Kosovo Polje (Blackbird Leys - the name of Oxford's worst housing estate !) in 1364 is complex. I cannot see the squabbling ending quickly even now.

By the way Peggy, when you say it is insane to go [...]

Read the full comment back 2000 years and re-draw all the borders of the world, you are of course quite right. But apply this logic to Macedonia and the Greek case about "ethnicity" and Alexander the Great rather flies out of the window !

My seal of authenticity as the Real Dr Cornelius is the Polish place-name Wrzeszcz. (I don't think any of my plagiarists can get their tongues or their keyboards round Polish !)

Anonymous Peggy Fri, May 29 2009 17:36 CET

kosovar Alb, all you have is a lot of talk without substance. All you have is wishful thinking. What on earth makes you think that Kosovo will be joining UN or EU ever?
Serbs were in Kosovo many centuries before Americans moved to America. So by your definition the Americans should all leave and go back to whatever country they originally came from (if they can even identify it now) and leave all to the Indians.
Get real, there is no proof you were there before the Serbs. What is your proof? Your word? Serbs have [...]

Read the full comment churches and monasteries dating back centuries to prove their ownership of Kosovo. What do you have? Nothing, zilch.
Go on, tell me what you have there to prove your ownership before the Serbs.

Let's all go back two thousand years and redraw all the borders of the world. You are insane.

AnonymousPeterFri, May 29 2009 14:48 CET

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Anonymous Kosovar Alb. Fri, May 29 2009 07:15 CET

@ peggy,Have you ever been to Kosovo,or ever lived there?Kosovo it was not a Republic in the ex-YU,but it is now an Independent Country and that's a fact.What did serbia offer Kosovo"less than Independence,more than Autonomy"!Explain to me please what is it,what does it mean?Lets pretend for a second,Kosovo would be part of serbia,there will be 30% Albanian in serbian Parliament,nothing will pass in Belgrade without Albanian vote,or you think that Kosovar Albanians do not have the right to vote?According to serbia,they would like to have Kosovo but not it's people!Wake up and look to the future,the past is History [...]

Read the full comment things will never be the same again,Kosovo is an Independent Republic.As for recognition you mention,EU as a body,IOC,UN even FIFA,they all will recognize it's Independence,even Russia and serbia.Speaking of illegally moving in to your house.We all know when you came in the Balkan ILLEGALLY from Russia/Asia,so then You moved illegally in to MY HOUSE,right!?It seems to me that FYROM did have the right to secede(in this case i agree 100 % with you).Why did Slovenia,Croatia,Bosnia not have the same right to secede without war?You bit more than you could chew in Kosovo,that's why you chocked on it and Doctor WEST/ NATO provided you with a SPECIAL CPR in 1999.Get over it,it's over all you can do about Kosovo is CRYING,that's ALL.PS.If you want to visit Kosovo you can do at enytime,just make sure you have an Passport on you :)

Anonymous Peggy Fri, May 29 2009 00:20 CET

Kosovo banning Serbian ministers is like squatters banning the rightful owner from entering his own house.

Dr. Cornelius, just because several countries have recognized Kosovo as a country it doesn't make it so. The UN does not recognize it nor does the EU as a body nor the Islmic Council.
Heck, even FIFA doesn't recognize it. So do tell me how can Kosovo ban it's rightful government from entering?
Just because someone moves into my house illegally doesn't mean I have to respect that and let them have it. Think about it. [...]

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Macedonia is a different story. They have legally seceded like the other republics, but Kosovo was NEVER a republic with right to secede.

Anonymous benzo Thu, May 28 2009 21:08 CET

i can stop someone from entring my yard .....it does'nt mean the city my yard is in belongs to me

Anonymous Dr Cornelius Van Helsing Thu, May 28 2009 16:08 CET

Kosova has a right to self determination and Macedonia has a right to its constitutional name and Solun as well as Aegean Macedonia.


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