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Name dispute mediator to visit Athens and Skopje – reports

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Name dispute mediator to visit Athens and Skopje – reports

SEEKING SUPPORT: French president Nicolas Sarkozy, left, received Macedonian prime minister Nikola Gruevski at the Elysee Palace on May 15. Gruevski travelled to Brussels and Paris to lobby for support on Schengen visa exemption and in its name dispute with Greece.

Matthew Nimetz, the mediator appointed by the United Nations to resolve the long-standing dispute between Athens and Skopje over the use of the name Macedonia, is to visit the two capitals in June 2009 to assess the countries’ readiness to seek a solution, according to Greek media reports.
 
However, a Greek foreign ministry spokesperson said that Athens had no information about when Nimetz would resume his initiatives to end the deadlock over the use of the name. Nimetz has not confirmed plans for a trip, which reportedly would take place after Greece votes in European Parliament elections.
 
Greek daily To Vima said on May 20 2009 that Nimetz would visit the two capital cities next month. The report came as Macedonian foreign minister Antonio Milososki concluded meetings in New York with legal advisers about the forthcoming action in the International Court of Justice against Athens, which Skopje alleges has violated a bilateral accord on relations.
 
In 2008, because of the name dispute, Greece blocked the issuing of an invitation to Macedonia to join Nato. Similarly, Athens has said it will stand in the way of Macedonia getting any closer to EU membership pending resolution of the dispute.
 
Macedonia’s court action alleges that Athens violated the accord by blocking Skopje’s Nato aspirations. After Macedonia has filed written statements in support of its court action, Greece will have six months to respond.
 
Newly-elected Macedonian president Gjorge Ivanov, who has the backing of the ruling party led by prime minister Nikola Gruevski, has said that a key priority of his presidential term will be rebuilding relations with Greece and resolving the name dispute.
 
However, Greece and other observers have laid the blame for the lack of progress at the door of Gruevski for being uncompromising in the dispute. Skopje levels similar accusations at Athens.
 
Gruevski said on May 20 that Macedonia and Greece were under growing pressures "from all external factors" to resolve the name issue as quickly as possible and enable Macedonia to join Nato.

He said that a further proposal from Nimetz was awaited. However, reports from Macedonia in recent days said that Macedonian leaders would not accept a compromise that included a "geographical element" in the name, confirming that there seems little hope of a solution along the lines of one proposed last year, to call the country "Northern Macedonia" at international level.
 
In Brussels and Paris on May 15, including at a meeting with French president Nicolas Sarkozy, Gruevski sought support for pressure from other European Union states on Greece to resolve the name dispute.

Greek foreign ministry spokesman George Koumoutsakos, asked by journalists on May 20 whether a forthcoming visit by US deputy secretary of state Jim Steinberg to Athens and Skopje meant that there would be a US initiative to end the deadlock, said that he had "no indications" of a specific American initiative.

Koumoutsakos said that Athens hoped that when talks on the name dispute resumed, there would be a different atmosphere and more constructive stance, focusing on the essence of the dispute.

In 2008, the Greek side was irked by Gruevski attempting to introduce other issues into the name dispute resolution process, including claims about a Macedonian minority in Greece, an assertion that Athens rejects.

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Anonymous predator Mon, Jul 06 2009 12:53 CET
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Sorry for the mistake. I wanted t say FYROM will lose it's name for Republika of Vardar. We have no choice than to accept it.
Macedonia belongs exclusively to the greek heritage. I finally accepted it. Sorry for any troubles.

Anonymous Aristotle Tue, Jun 30 2009 09:51 CET
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Will the real "Prediction" please stand up ? There appear to be more than one of you.....

Anonymous prediction Sun, Jun 28 2009 23:50 CET
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Sorry for the mistake. I wanted t say FYROM will lose it's name for Republika of Vardar. We have no choice than to accept it.
Macedonia belongs exclusively to the greek heritage. I finally accepted it. Sorry for any troubles.

Anonymous prediction Sun, Jun 28 2009 15:24 CET
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You are right FYROM will lose it's name and will be called Macedonia!!

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Anonymous Greek Veto on FYROM Sat, Jun 27 2009 17:15 CET
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Sorry - I disagree. Sarkozy changes mind all the time, and not just on wives.

Anonymous Sarkozy le Grec Thu, Jun 25 2009 22:45 CET
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The sondages are saying Sarkozy will be re-elected, haha!

But FYROM will explode and disappear after Greece's next VETO, yes I agree with you!!!

Anonymous prediction Thu, Jun 25 2009 15:07 CET
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Sarkozy will lose the next election!!

Anonymous Sarkozy le Grec Wed, Jun 24 2009 18:38 CET
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His mother is Greek indeed, his father Hungarian. He clearly shows support to Greece and the name issue when he visited Athens a year ago.Also he is strongly against Turkey's accession to EU.

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Anonymous dr Cornelius van Helsing Sun, May 31 2009 19:56 CET
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to Scipio - you have my genuine synpathy. Somebody is messing us both around.

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what's gg? do you like wearing g-strings?

Anonymous Scipio africanus Sun, May 31 2009 17:57 CET
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to the web master
why did you cut off my post addressed to gg. they werew far more descent that the last
thanks

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It's no worse that what is found on my mom's labia majora ! (Comes from too much licking....)

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Sun, May 31 2009 17:20 CET
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It's no worse that what is found on GG's labia majora ! (Comes from too much licking....)

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Is Cornelius the same as the corn-like structures found on faeces?

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Fri, May 29 2009 19:47 CET
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to Scipio : OK, fair point. Let's see what xoxo/ she says (hopefully in English !)

Anonymous Scipio Africanus Fri, May 29 2009 19:27 CET
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Dr Cornelius
I want xoxo to answer my previous post.
no hard feelings

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Fri, May 29 2009 17:54 CET
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Is the "Upper East Side" the same as London's East End ? Otherwise I'm a bit lost. Like I am when visiting Cambridge. when in fact Krakow is my alma mater.

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Anonymous The Ovchar od Lerin Fri, May 29 2009 16:54 CET
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oh way to go Gossip Girl (GG), you blew my cover! Now David knows who I am

Why have you put a cyberspace target on me? Well after 2 years of fun it looks like Game Over

Anonymous GG Fri, May 29 2009 16:34 CET
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Consider that last bit of info my gift to you D.

Anonymous GG Fri, May 29 2009 16:32 CET
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How amusing old man, my Aussie flight attender told me to call you "a palmy poufter", and trust me, you don't want a translation.

cheers

PS - what is Skopje? is that one of your other alter egos? And no I'm not greek but just a damsel who went to a really good private school. And oh by the way, if you haven't figure it out already, some of your fellow writers on this site are one and the same person, it didn't take me long to figure it out. Oh but then I guess you're too old to catch the obvious

xoxo

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Anonymous Aries Thu, May 28 2009 20:06 CET
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TO GG
Thanks for the compliment
I understand that we have
a eight oars competion between
Oxford and Cambridge.
By the way you of course you meant Alter ego and not ultra ego in your address to Cornelius.

Anonymous Aries Thu, May 28 2009 19:32 CET

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Thu, May 28 2009 17:31 CET
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to Horsey (GG) - geddit ?

The quality of your input would be immeasurably improved if you learned how to spell properly.

(Or, as the renowned US academic Tom Lehrer put it, "Don't write naughty words on walls if you can't spell.) On the other hand, you're probably an Oxford man, in which case all falls into place and there is no need to apologise.

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Thu, May 28 2009 15:20 CET
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to Jai - a decoy at Volos, so that's all right then. (But why were military police arresting tourists who took photos, and why were the few military planes outside their hangars apparently US F-16s in Greek livery ?)

Can't say I'm entirely convinced. I've been round enough Warsaw Pact bases in the past to know the difference between a decoy and the real thing.....

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Anonymous Jai Thu, May 28 2009 15:10 CET
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The airfield in Volos is a decoy you idiot

I'm glad you rest your case

Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Thu, May 28 2009 14:50 CET
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Just visit Volos "top-security" Greek military airfield (next to Europe's most primitive civilian airport !) and then form your own judgements. I think I rest my case.

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Anonymous KL Thu, May 28 2009 11:22 CET
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So it is David eh? Thanks Ahmed and Turkey. Very true, the last person who tried to take pictures of the navy base in Piraeus(which is one of the world's biggest) was court marshaled. Very few people get a chance to see the base and yet some people think they are experts on the military of countries to the south. In any case, we are way off topic, and having angered a Turk I would also advise David/cornelius to return to the topic at hand!

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Wed, May 27 2009 21:57 CET
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True about 1913 and the Turkish Fleet - but they beat the Allies at the Dardanelles in 1916, though much of this was due (I understand) to resolute work by the Turkish artillery batteries on-shore. Anyway, the Allied troops carried a healthy respect for "Johnny Turk" ever after.

Anonymous Aries Wed, May 27 2009 21:17 CET

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Wed, May 27 2009 19:47 CET
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Aries - you may well be right, though the Turks do not have a reputation for cowardice in the battlefield (or on the high seas either.) The slight problem would have been if the Turks had won the engagement (not impossible, given how badly the British fleet fared in the Falklands a decade later !)

Newspaper headlines such as "Turkish fleet sinks the Royal Navy" could have brought down a UK government every bit as well as the current MP expenses scandal. Mind you, it would have nipped in the bud the embarrassing "UK investment in Northern Cyprus" story that is still going the rounds....

Anonymous ARIES Wed, May 27 2009 19:35 CET
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The turks would have backed up and no naval incident would have ocuured.

Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Wed, May 27 2009 19:21 CET
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Aries - yes, you are right about the Syrian border (I had forgotten) and also about Dr Kissinger too. He apparently stopped the British from intercepting the Turkish invasion fleet too. (Had that interception taken place, it would have been the first Anglo-Turkish naval engagement since Gallipoli in 1916 !)

Anonymous Aries Wed, May 27 2009 14:48 CET
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Turkey has only a pending difference with Syria the
Alexandreta issue.

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Tue, May 26 2009 21:35 CET
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to Aries re Turkey. A good question. To which there are two answers (as always !) Western Turkey would play sensible, and try to broker peace. Eastern Turkey would see an opportunity to avenge old scores from 1913, and try to re-establish some of its old Balkan hegemony. Trouble is, that occasionally (as in 1974 over Kibris/Cyprus) the Eastern side wins in Ankara, and action results.

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Tue, May 26 2009 18:43 CET
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Well, I suppose as they (Macedonia) aren't members of NATO this invasion is legally feasible, but it would wreck Greece's credibility within NATO for the next twenty years or more. And Turkey just needs "any excuse" to be belligerent on the River Evros front or in Cyprus. Can I counsel caution ?

(by the way, Aries, thanks for the translation. I had got as far as working out that "Ovcharka" is a sheep-dog in Russian, but no farther ! There are sayings in certain European languages that over-familiarity with sheep is a sure guide to sexual deviancy in rural areas, so je vais me taire ! )

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TO GREEK MACEDONIAN

One good reason and they are done.
this may sound bellicose but its
the only way to clean up with this pyogeneous infection.

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Tue, May 26 2009 10:57 CET
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to Ovchar od Lerin (shouldn't it be "od Lerina" ?) I think "Britain" is how it is actually spelled, not "Briton". And I think you have mis-spelled your password too. It should be:
"YEDEN DEN YEST SEGODNIA" ("One day is now/today") OK - Segodnia is pronounced 'Segodnia', but that's a detail.

S uvazheniem

Doktor Kornelius Vassilovich Helsinga

Anonymous The Ovchar od Lerin Tue, May 26 2009 10:01 CET
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I am a Macedonian...from the occupied territories...

We work, walk and live among you "greeks" but keep our identity to ourselves...for now..then in 2013 we will rise up and liberate Aegean Macedonia and not even your precious master the UK will be able to help you.

EDEN DEN (One Day)E SEGA (is now)

We know it...the world knows it...and most importantly, you know it...

Only a Gerkoman would sell his soul to the highest bidder, Judas!

History is written, reality is something else...

The Ovchar is watching his flock and preparing for war in 20130...so flock off Gerk.

Peter

Anonymous Brainwashing University, Skopje College Mon, May 25 2009 22:43 CET

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Anonymous Dr Cornelius van Helsing Mon, May 25 2009 21:32 CET
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The Treaty of Bucharest was signed "in perpetuity", like most Treaties are, and does NOT re-open in 2013. (Ask the Hungarians - they have tried more treaty-reopening avenues than most, as they dearly want to reopen the 1919 Treaty of Trianon which reduced their borders rather heavily. But they can't) So there.

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Anonymous to reality Mon, May 25 2009 15:42 CET
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dream my friend dream!

Anonymous Reality Mon, May 25 2009 14:38 CET
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The Treaty of Bucharest expires in 2013...end of negotiations.

Solun will be ours

Gameover for greece

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