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Smoking ban causes controversy - but is it justified?

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Smoking ban causes controversy - but is it justified?

The amendments to the Health Act, passed on first reading, set to impose a full ban on smoking in public places in Bulgaria, have led to a war of words between the tourist industry, businesses and those in favour of the ban.

Tourist organisations, hotels and other industry-related enterprises are up in arms, arguing that in the midst of a crippling economic crisis, a complete ban would make matters worse. They say that a sensitive, phased approach should be implemented instead. "A gradual process rather than a complete ban is a lot more sensitive," said Blagoi Ragin,  president of the Bulgarian Hotel and Restaurant Association (BHRA), as quoted by Bulgarian news agency BTA on April 16.

"Prohibition would squeeze the turnover of bars and restaurants by 30 per cent, and many of the smaller establishments will face collapse," Radin warned, as quoted by Dnevnik daily. "Bulgaria should combat smoking but should apply an integrated, comprehensive and reasonable approach instead of going to extremes," he said.

Substantially more adamant on the matter were individual hoteliers and restaurateurs interviewed by the Bulgarian daily Standart, who said they feared going bankrupt if a smoking ban was imposed.

"Let's give way to incentives rather than fines in the war against cigarettes," the BHRA proposed. Most BHRA officials are especially concerned  that businesses will register devastating financial losses.

"Turnovers will slide down by 30-40 per cent; smaller restaurants would be better off closing down straight away," they said. "It would be far better if employers start paying bonuses to non-smoking workers," Ragin was quoted as saying by Standart.

BHRA has suggested that employers give employees incentives to quit smoking by offering bigger salaries and longer paid leave to non-smokers. Among the proposals are the imposition of special corners for smokers in restaurants or an alleviation of taxation on smoke-free restaurants.

On November 16 2004, a Public Health white paper proposed a smoking ban in almost all public places in England. Smoking restrictions would be phased in, with a ban on smoking in NHS and government buildings by 2006, in enclosed public places by 2007, and pubs, bars and restaurants (except pubs not serving food) by the end of 2008.

In spite of bitter opposition by establishments and members of parliament, the government announced that it would continue with its plans. All workplaces, including restaurants and pubs selling food, were ordered to have a ban in place by summer 2007. 

Ultimately, the smoking ban in England was enforced, making it illegal to smoke in all enclosed public places and enclosed work places in England, from July 1 2007. Similar bans had already been introduced by the rest of the United Kingdom — Scotland on March 26 2006, Wales on April 2 2007 and Northern Ireland on April 30 2007.

In different reports by July 2008 it was revealed that pubs and restaurants had not registered a financial loss exceeding 10 per cent.

In fact, some pubs and bars had registered an increase of business because many non-smokers, previously reluctant to frequent poorly ventilated, smoky establishments, were visiting more often following the ban.

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Anonymous Kuhn Thu, Aug 13 2009 22:48 CET
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Just look at the heading photo again for G*D'S Sake. BAN THEM!!

Enough said.

Anonymous Tom Fri, Apr 24 2009 16:15 CET
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All good points but life and health is much more important than business.

Banning smoking will save so much death in BG - second highest rate of smoking in the world. It's plain sad. And yes, many bg folk will be overjoyed at the ban, they don't all smoke. (BTW, Cigarettes are too cheap)

The next policy (sorry) should be to put average speed cameras wherever possible, and fine the many idiot drivers who happily kill themselves and others by driving too fast.

Do all this, and we'll see fewer of the tragic deaths symbolised by those posters.

Anonymous Rip Toff Enuff Fri, Apr 24 2009 09:43 CET
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I don't smoke and never have due having asthma as a child. I am now nearing retirement and still workout in the gym,and run most days. I have recently raised £10,000 for different charities including cancer investigation. That is my choice, My oppinion for what its worth is stress is the biggest killer and cancer is a by product of the stress. Although thousands of licenced premises have closed in the UK since the smoking ban I think a lot of it is due to the credit crunch. Maybe the ban will work in the Cities and big towns here but never in the villages

Anonymous mbkirova Fri, Apr 24 2009 07:54 CET
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this is Bulgaria, not England or Sweden. A majority of people still smoke and this ban would kill business. Fortunately, being Bulgaria, it will probably not be enforced, like so many other so-called laws here. Anarchy is a good thing.

Anonymous Jenny Thu, Apr 23 2009 15:26 CET
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since smoking ban in bars in britain there arean average of 39 closing a week.

AnonymousVirgilkWed, Apr 22 2009 04:25 CET

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Anonymous Hughbert Briss Mon, Apr 20 2009 09:18 CET
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The smoking in Bulgarian restaurants and bars is ridiculous. I have a lung problem caused by this mindless activity. Smokers should be given an area outside or caged off and ventilated. Nicotine addiction brings ZERO benefits and is easy to beat...4000 chemicals in secondary smoke! Get with it and get rid of it!

Anonymous mandyv Mon, Apr 20 2009 03:03 CET
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Good luck Bulgaria - http://www.democracyinstitute.org/pdfs/DI%20Denormalisation%20Study.pdf
snip~page 25
Would we find nothing morally objectionable about such government
activity? The answer is that, whatever our views about AIDS or sexuality, we would
find such actions to be morally objectionable. For a government in a liberal
democracy, the tool for censuring either its citizens or its corporations is not
denormalisation but the criminal law. To
forget this is to forget that the twentiethcentury’s
experiments in denormalisation
ended with the gulag and the concentration camp.
Denormalisation also runs afoul of legitimacy because it represents a vast and
unacceptable instance of social engineering.

Just ask yourselves, if the majority want want the antis want, why are they not investing their OWN money into smoke-free venues? it will not be their money to lose if you bring in the draconian, spiteful bans like we havve in the UK. I would not have a holiday in my own Country or any others that do want "smokers money". Choice is what people want.
The hatred this has caused is NOT healthy for children or Countries, that is what to expect. First inside then outside, the fanatical antis do not know when to stop.

The UK had to endure "million pound adverts" to ensure denormalisation, was effected.
One of the adverts, was set in a morgue, the chemical they spoke of, was "formaldehdye" and smokers.
What they failed to mention, was it is also in J&J and others baby products. The "formalehyde babies" I call them.
http://www.democracyinstitute.org/pdfs/DI%20Denormalisation%20Study.pdf
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We are disappointed that the Campaign for Safe Cosmetics has inaccurately characterized the safety of our products, misrepresented the overwhelming consensus of scientists and government agencies that review the safety of ingredients, and unnecessarily alarmed parents.
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Just so you are ready and forewarned.
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AnonymousMikaelSun, Apr 19 2009 17:05 CET

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Anonymous Mikael. Sun, Apr 19 2009 16:47 CET
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Typo, smoking bans were introduced in Sweden 2005-06 not 2007-06

Anonymous Mikael Sun, Apr 19 2009 16:44 CET
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In Sweden the organisation for Hotels and restaurante in Sweden SHR, was against a ban on smoking 2007-06. One year later 95% of the same industry was happy.

According to a survey of hundreds of canteens made of SHR in March this year, is an overwhelming majority in favor of the smoking ban.

16 percent have noticed clear improvement revenue.

78 percent say that income is the same as before the ban.

6 percent have noticed that the revenue declined.

Since the smoking ban in Sweden's restaurants, bars and pubs have introduced new groups of visitors to the pub.

Full story (in Swedish)
http://www.aftonbladet.se/kropphalsa/slutaroka/article382707.ab

Anonymous sonia Sat, Apr 18 2009 20:45 CET
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Surprising that the tourist industry should be upset by this; most tourists and people coming to Bg. on holiday will be from countries where smoking has long been considered unhealthy and unpleasant.

Anonymous Dobre den Sat, Apr 18 2009 17:35 CET
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LIES, LIES, and misinformation is what you will be subject to in Bulgaria until the anti-tobacco, anti-freedom movement get their way – UNLESS honest citizens stand up against them!!!

When anti-tobacco start their campaign - ANYTHING GOES!! Passive smoking is nothing more than an irritant to a minority – it is NOT harmful! but Anti-tobacco will NEVER admit that because too many have too much to loose.

BUT - Smoking bans DEVASTATE the hospitality business! - Look at comments from other countries where people have LOOKED at the results and not just accepted what some jumped up (non) ‘expert’ has told them. Don’t get me wrong, one or two restaurants may benefit, BUT the majority will suffer badly! THIS HAS HAPPENED AND IS STILL HAPPENING IN THE UK – boarded up pubs, clubs, bingo halls etc everywhere!

The anti-tobacco charlatans will tell you that non-smokers will replace smokers and business will be better for it – THIS IS TOTAL LIES

If this was true - WHY IS THERE ANY NEED for smoking bans? - Don’t you think that if this was the case that at least some businesses would already have made their places smoke free? Common sense really. Smokers are more likely to be drinkers too. In UK 39 pubs now close EVERY WEEK – around 100,000 workers made UNEMPLOYED – Non smokers have NOT replaced smokers!

The truth is that smoking bans are destructive, not just to business but to society in general. It brings bigots out of the sewers. Smokers will stay at home just like they have in the UK and every other place where rigid smoking bans have been put in place. Not only that, but their non-smoking friends will fade away too, as pub atmosphere is lost. Smokers WILL react to discrimination by boycotting hospitality venues - but don't blame them. What else can they do other than to say "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir, you can treat me like a leper sir"?

NO WAY!! Smokers will not give in to coercion by bigots - this has been shown to be true everywhere smoking bans have been forced on them - it's just that anti-smoking zealots will do their best to hide that fact! (or any other FACTS for that matter!)

Now the ‘smoking campaign’ is rapidly becoming the ‘alcohol campaign’ and the ‘obesity campaign’ Your guess is as good as mine what comes after they have been cowed into submission – so if you think that this will not affect you because you are a non smoker – THINK AGAIN!

Fortunately many countries are shunning or amending smoking bans – for example; Germany, Holland and around half the states in the USA. If you want a good, fair and equitable example – look no further than Spain, They ARE retaining their tourist industry. Alternatively look to Hawaii –where there tourism has been devastated, but they are now seeing sense and are in the process of amending their flawed smoking ban.

Bulgarians –DO NOT TAKE THIS LYING DOWN! Anti smokers ARE a SMALL minority – don’t let them take away your freedom of choice!

Anonymous Jon Sat, Apr 18 2009 14:20 CET
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Bulgaria cannot be compared to UK or USA. To start with, in those places tobacco was highly taxed over preceeding years, thus reducing the overall number of smokers. Secondly, the culture of smoking is quite different, with smokers being in the minority and being more 'defensive' about the habit. Bars, clubs and other places of entertainment have seen a marked decline in clientel, with many closing as a result.
In Bulgaria the greatest threat to health and life is traffic and driving styles. I would make a good guess that traffic related events cause more harm and death as a percentage of the population than smoking.
I suggest raise tax level on tobacco; make estblishments declare and clearly marked as smoking or non smoking; then after a few years reconsider a total ban.

Anonymous Budgysmuggler Sat, Apr 18 2009 06:17 CET
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if i can throw my tuppence 'apney in? when i visit uk (am english) its great not to have your eyes stinging,clothes reaking of smoke. then when back in Bg you really notice how much cleaner the air is.
However i do agree from the personal choice angle - so why not have bars/cafe's designated as smoking/non smoking?? actually because of the climate in Bg, sitting outside shouldnt be any different.
it is a proven fact that smoking kills!
pubs in the uk are closing for various reasons-high rents and bad management will be the greater problem.

Anonymous Carlos Sat, Apr 18 2009 04:30 CET
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Pathetic Janice- bars aren't for kids in the first place. Secondly Passive smoking has often been proven to be a complete hoax!!

Anonymous badboldie Sat, Apr 18 2009 02:23 CET
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Perhaps the non-smokers dont come out because they dont like the smoke! just a guess!
possible like the smokers dont come out now, because they dont like the clean air! i might be wrong of course!


Martin - as you say 90% of the customers in your local bar are smokers.

Think about it!

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Anonymous Lee Fri, Apr 17 2009 23:38 CET
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Fair play Martin - I'm tempted to quit just for the snoggin' :-)

Anonymous Martin Fri, Apr 17 2009 23:03 CET
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Some of the best things about stopping smoking over the last 3 years has been the £15,000 Iv'e saved oh and you get more snogs !

Anonymous Lee Fri, Apr 17 2009 23:00 CET
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Martin - as you say 90% of the customers in your local bar are smokers.

Think about it!

Anonymous Lee Fri, Apr 17 2009 22:57 CET
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Fourth fact: I hate coming home smelling of fast food.

As a smoker for 25 years, I thoroughly disagree with smoking around people who are eating and often chose to use smoke free establishments for the comfort of both my non-smoking guests and myself. However, many traditional pubs in the UK relied on their wet trade - drinkers - and not food. The drinkers want to smoke. Even the landlords want to smoke but have to go outside.

The ban is simply undemocratic and unfortunately anti-smokers who are singing it's praises are quite simply undermining our free market economy and our sense of democracy.

Instead of thinking about yourself and/or your prejudices... try looking at the bigger picture.

If you believe in freedom of choice... then I hope you sympathise with my important point.

Anonymous Martin Fri, Apr 17 2009 22:53 CET
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Maybe the loss of trade particularly in Rural Areas is due to stringent drink drive laws, rather than the smoking ban in the UK.
As someone who lost both parents prematurely due to smoking related diseases, I think I speak from experience. Smoking is bad for you and as a resident in Bulgaria one only has to look at the average age on every poster on most trees and doors in the villages, and see that families are losing there menfolk prematurely I wonder why ?
My own experience in my own village bar is typical, they have a 'no smoking' table in a smoke filled bar where 90% of the customers are smokers WHAT A LAUGH !. So the choice I and others make is not to attend except when the weather is warm enough to sit outside.
So come on Bulgaira I have a right to breathe clean air. And any higher prices or bans are for your own protection SMOKING IS A KILLER ! Ex 40 a day man
It would be nice to dress up to go out not wear old clothes that go straight into the wash ! YUK

Smokers all over muttering tut ex smoker they are the worst of all !

Anonymous Dreamers Fri, Apr 17 2009 22:18 CET
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Jon is absoloutely right, the ban has affected Pubs in the U.K. big time & they are still closing down at an alarming rate, perhaps they should have left it to the owners to decide whether they have smoking or not, then customers could choose for themselves if they use a smoking or non smoking bar / pub.

Anonymous Badboldie Fri, Apr 17 2009 21:17 CET
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It's fantastic in the UK, never had so much fun! don’t hear that irritating click and then that big cloud of smoke whizzing past your nose. Enjoy the ban Bulgaria! Live life!
I have noticed in the UK, that now smokers are out in the cold, they smoke that fag in 2 mins. Whereas when there was no discomfort to them selves they would take 20mins. Strange!

Anonymous Mat Fri, Apr 17 2009 20:25 CET
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Third fact:

I hate coming home stinking like an ashtray.

If restaurateurs had implemented the non-smoking areas of their premises like they were supposed to - instead of just asking whether you'd like an ash tray when you sat there - maybe this wouldn't be necessary. Bit to late to moan about it now.

Anonymous Lee again! Fri, Apr 17 2009 19:41 CET
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Bulgaria should take the lead in allowing business's to choose. Bulgaria should also relax its stance on illegal drugs together with the rest of Eastern Europe and the third world producers. Why on earth would anyone look to the UK or the USA for guidance. These two countries are a complete mess on every social level. As a Polish friend said - 'if life in Britain is progress, we don't want it'. Do your own thing Bulgaria - forget the West - we're finished.

Anonymous Lee Fri, Apr 17 2009 19:34 CET
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Two facts:

1. There is absolutley no evidence linking passive smoking to health problems.
2. Englands pubs are empty.

Anonymous sofiasofia Fri, Apr 17 2009 18:40 CET
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The doomsday predictions are the same moronic drivel the spouted in New York when the banned smoking, first in restaurants, then bars. Before that, it was California that did the same thing. In all cases, it did not turn out to be true. And even if it does hurt business, is the cost really greater than the health costs of forcing hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of non-smokers to breath the fetid air in Bulgarian restaurants and bars.

And about the proposal for "smoking corners" -- ie 90% of the space, BOTTOM LINE: HAVING SMOKING IN NON-SMOKING SECTIONS IS LIKE HAVE "PEEING" AND "NON-PEEING" SECTIONS IN A PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL...

Anonymous Jon Fri, Apr 17 2009 16:43 CET
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I'm afraid you are wrong about the loss of business. On average, 39 pubs are shutting each week in England. The anti-smoking groups such as ASH claim this is due to the recession, yet the same thing happened in Ireland following its smoking ban in 2003, during an economic boom. Don't look to ASH UK for your information.

Anonymous Janice Fri, Apr 17 2009 15:59 CET
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I'm looking forward to the ban - maybe i'll bring the kids out more often!

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