Meda, is this all you can say?
Do you actually have any sensible way of debating this issue or do you always tell your opposition to pack up and leave, hoping that you won't have to say something smart?

I am not going anywhere. So what next?
Are you going to continue to give me my marching orders or are you actually going to produce something clever?

I suppose, when you don't have intelligence you begin to tell people to go away. Maybe it is you who should go away as you are quite clearly making a fool of yourself.

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Meda, in case you are wondering if I am referring to your literally genious, yes I am.

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Who ever looks at life with a narrow mind will never understand what we, who are supporters of a kosovo within serbia are trying to say. Im 23 i have no uni degree and school of the lowest form, i speak 3 languages and have been to over 50 countries in the world, and in this world even the supporter of kosovos independence has in the back of his mind the thoughts of what he or she is doing is wrong, its morally wrong and in principal even more wrong. Those men and women who live day to day lives and are informed by a 5min story once a month on the kosovo issue and live on lands which have there interests for a kosovo republic will always be blinded to the truth. Because they are not aloud to see it.. I have and continue to look for it, but at the same time those men and women who see the truth and understand that the operation named "Republic of Kosova" will never work out how they hoped and how they as humans set up in there minds.

What we will see is a change in politics, but remember we are humans, and as its possible for a human to break down so do projects, companys, Big Banks, societies, governments Countries.. Not to mention any examples.!! What i am getting at is the simple fact humans run all these , if i may call it, institutions of different kinds, and if these are coming to a fall and breaking down and those ideas are not working as planned, interests change and people change there way.

One thing my young mind has seen, is that the truth may take time to come to ground but it eventually does, and like in the past it always becomes the one and only way forward, otherwise we would be living in a false world with false hopes and no future.

But we do not, we live in a beautiful world with hope and a future possible for everyone, every HUMAN on this earth.!!

Kosovo within serbia is the truth, Serbia without Kosovo is not. This was written for the straight minded people, for the ones who understand its not kosovo and its people which is important to the 56countries who recognised it for th fact to make the kosovans happy but for there own interests, but me i do care for the land i was born on and i will do my part to keep it were it belongs by speaking the truth...!!

Iam not racist, but what many of you have in YOUR own heads can teach you nothing better, i understand you, were as , You may never understand me.

Hi everyone.The very real problem which is preventing Spain not to recognise Kosovo is the spanish foreing minister.Hi has economic interest in Serbia datting since he was ambassador in Belgrade and nothing else.Talking about serbs in kosovo,and why are they called sllavs?.They came to this territories from russia some 700 years ego.Albanians are leaving in these land for thousand years.You decide who is right.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Kosovo

15th century

The ethnic composition of Kosovo's population during this period included Serbs, Albanians, and Vlachs along with a token number of Greeks, Armenians, Saxons, and Bulgarians, according to Serbian monastic charters or chrysobulls (Hristovulja). A majority of the given names in the charters are overwhelmingly Serbian (Of 24,795 names, 23,774 were ethnic Serb names, 470 of Roman origin, 65 of Albanian origin and 61 of Greek origin). This claim is supported by the Turkish cadastral tax-census (defter) of 1455 which took into account religion and language and found an overwhelming Serb majority.

1455: Turkish cadastral tax census (defter)[13] of the Brankovic dynasty lands (covering 80% of present-day Kosovo) recorded 480 villages, 13,693 adult males, 12,985 dwellings, 14,087 household heads (480 widows and 13,607 adult males). Totally there were around 75,000 inhabitants in 590 villages comprising modern-day Kosovo. By ethnicity:

* 13,000 Serb dwellings present in all 480 villages and towns
* 75 Vlach dwellings in 34 villages
* 46 Albanian dwellings in 23 villages
* 17 Bulgarian dwellings in 10 villages
* 5 Greek dwellings in Lauša, Vučitrn
* 1 Jewish dwelling in Vučitrn
* 1 Croat dwelling


You can lie but the truth is albanians ethnically cleansed serbs from Kosovo over the past few centuries.And that's why you will never be independent.

Adam, you are embarrasing yourself with your stupidity here.
After WW2 Serbs and Alanians were around 50-50. It was Tito who prohibited Serbs from returning to Kosovo after the war while at the same time turned a blind eye to all the illegal Albanians from Albania jumping across the border.

Everyone knows this to be true, but you and alike would like to rewrite history now.

How come then, if Serbs were so brutal that we have such a big disproportion of Serbs to Albanians in Kosovo?
If Serbs were so brutal and efficient in ethnic cleansing then they must've cleansed themselves as they are only 5% now.

So until you can answer that question, don't you dare come on here telling us how Kosovo was yours. Did you build all those churches which are centuries old or was it the Serbs?
This is proof positive of Serbs having Kosovo for centuries now. What mark did Albanians leave on Kosovo before the 90s? Well, except for ethnically cleanseing the Serbs and burning down all the churches and monasteries that is?

Go away you propagandis and educate yourself first. Don't presume to educate the rest of us as the rest of us have access to real information. We don't have to take your word for anything.
Now you are just insulting our intelligence.

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@Branimir Maksimovic

Albanians have always been the majority in what is now known as kosova... especially in 1962. It is fine for you to insist otherwise, just know that you contradict all the nonsensical propaganda serbs spout at albanians population in kosovo.

what is now known as kosovo was indeed Militarily Occupied by serbia..and that is all it was, it was not simply another part of serbia as you imply.

You say "before the constitution of 1974 before the albanian MINORITY was given extra rights..."

putting aside your lie in calling albanians a Minority..for it was indeed serbs that have always been a minority. what rights kosovar's had prior to the 1974 constituion was ALSO given by the Yugoslavian Constituion.

this was NOT act of serbians "respecting" a minority... Serbs Were NOT ASKED if this was ok as it was not Up to serbs to decide.

It is only by your racist, revisionist views that you are imply enlightenment on serbs part.
It is a testament to serb racism that equality would be viewed as anything other than something to be expected and demanded by anyone.

kosovo was a militarily occupied terrority... Tito faced continued resistance by kosovars to this military occupation by begining to recognize some (but not all) of kosovars rights within yugoslavia.

again, this was not serbia's decision... the country was NOT serbia it was indeed Yugoslavia. Serbs offered nothing but constant opposition and interference to any sort of equality for kosovars.

these were not "extra rights" these were the beginings of EQUAL RIGHTS for kosovar albanians. It was not anything special and albanians were not given anything "more" than serbs.

It is absolute arrogance on your part to insinuate otherwise.

I understand fully why you would intentionally ignore serbs and milosovic eventual utter abuse and rape of the Yugoslavian constitution that caused yugoslavias breakup and subsequent escape of ALL the former peoples of yugoslavia from serbia's "vision" of the future/past.

but suffice it to say, EVERYTHING serbs attempted to take away from kosovar albanians. today the Republic of Kosovo is handing over to kosovar serbs in a gift wrapped package.

serbian hate and xenophobia has failed, and will continue to fail.

What is sad, is that we are not "informed by different sources"...there is the truth, and there is the blind nationalist mythology you use.

What, as you put it 'serbian interests' are, is to demand the world to accept your Mythological Medieval view on what you think you serbia should be...and apply to the modern world... or else.

What you fail to realize is that your rampant nationalism does not apply to ALL serbs, many serbs in serbia itself do not care a bit about kosovo. And Bit by Bit Kosovar serbs WILL excersie all the rights and representation they are allowed in kosovo.

The Irony is that it will be up to Republic of Kosovo to protect those serbs from rampant nationalist such as yourself. After All they are serbs, they must think and hate as you do... or else.

Im 23 i was born in kosovo, so was my father. He was Born in 1962, before the constitution of 1974 before the albanian MINORITY was given extra rights. My fathers birth certificate is not writen in solely serbian, but infact in 2 languages First albanian then Serbian. Would you call this respecting the minority and giving rights to the minority. I believe so.. Once again before the 1974 constitution which tito then granted even more powers to the albanian minority on serbian lands.

Its sad to think we live in tthe same world yet we are informed by different sources, one which sends the truth and one which is trying to make a new truth...

Kosovo and metohija is the name of the land we are speaking about, kosova is the name albanians use to describe this land.. Yet again there is no such document or proof of were and how kosova came about, but facts history proof that kosovo and metohija is of serbian origin in langauge and culture. Kosovo, Kos (blackbird) Metohija , Greek for( land of churches).

I have writen many many and i will continue to write many articles on this topic for the simple fact that m heart and mind are connected with the truth and as a man of morals and principals i shall live by the truth and die by the truth..

Anything we say to those against what we are saying may never accept and understand the truth because of the backround and the political and false pressure made by the governments with the national intrests involved..

Serbian interest is simple, to keep kosovo part of what it always was, and if that may eventually lead to more then defending its land on moral and legal terms then it will do whats needed..

Kosovo shall live in our hearts for years and centuries to come, it will never die, it live among 12million serbs and will live among the generations to come. I know because it was spread from far far long ago to me, and i will only continue the tradtion.

Albanians use may be today, but when i speak to many of your people, one states he was a arnaut one an arbanas one an illyrian.. Who and what are you really, and were do you come from.. I KNOW WHO I AM AND I KNOW WHERE I COME FROM, I CAN PROVE THAT MANY YEARS BACK. Long live mankind and the goodness in mankind, and may all evil in people dissapear and may those people with evil dissapear...

Mark you are a liar and WRONG.
Stop spreading your hateful propaganda everywhere.
You sure talk a lot of crap and expect people to take your word for it.
People are not stupid. Most have access to the internet and information which you are afraid has come out.
Why would anyone with a brain take your word for anything when there is a wealth of information out there which contradict Albanian lies. There are many credible people out there which contradict your lies and pathetic ways to steal someone else's territory.

According to you Serbs are horrible liars.
That's according to someone who upholds terrorists and criminals like Thaci, Ceku etc.

I would rather believe people like General Lewis MacKenzie, John Pilger, Gregory Clark, Scott Taylor, James Bissett, Noam Chomsky and many more.

None of these people are Serbs and they are all credible people who would not risk their reputations of lies. That's why they would NEVER back up anything coming from Albanians.

You can have your proven liars like Hillary Clinton who "dodged sniper fire in Bosnia" and has been named walking bird by the American Indians. You know a bird which is so full of s**t that she cannot fly any more.
She and her husband are a disgrace and the world know it. Keep her as your mouth peace.

Now you can attack me any way you want but smart people look for truth themselves. They don't believe crap you say just because you say it here.

Anyone can look up the people I mentioned and read something by them. I am not asking people just to take my word for it, but only to search for the truth and not in the usual propaganda places like CNN or BBC. Look at people outside politics, investigative journalists like John Pilger and Scott Taylor and make their own decisions.

Ah, talking with the albanian is like talking with woodstick.No point at all :)

Peggy also needs reminding , that her Lies are terribly transparent.(serb racist apologists aleays seem sadly oblivious the fact)

Kosovars sought for decades to live in equality within the country... YUGOSLAVIA.

It was Serbs and Serbs alone who usurped kosovos constitutional Federal Representation in the Country... YUGOSLAVIA.

Serbs are Theives.

as serbia had no such authority within yugoslavia to remove kosovo's federal representation wich was the Equal to that of serbia within Yugoslavia. milosovic and serbs took it through violence and political terror...and attempted to USE it to give themselves undeserved, unwarranted, and illegal power within the country. Yugoslavia.

That is precisely what precipitated the breakup of the former yugoslavia...and the violence that followed was the fullfillment of serb political leadership's PROMISE of Turning Yugoslavia into a greater serbia.

no one stood for it, today there are SEVEN countries formed out of what YUGOSLAVIA was.

Not only are serbs thieves, they are failed thieves.

Peggy obviously needs reminding that the country WAS YUGOSLAVIA...and it did not, nor did it ever "equate" to serbia.

The Republic of Serbia Today is barely 8 years old, and has never held kosovo at all.

It was Out of Yugoslavia that serbs raped, pillaged, and murdered their former neighbors..their own fellow slavs included. In an effort to CREATE a defacto serbia.

Neither Albanians nor Croats, nor Bosnians, nor anyone in the former yugoslavia needed to "ask" serbs for permission for anything. It was not up to serbs to "give" anything at all. It was NOT a serbian state.

Rancid racist serb hate and xenophobia are the direct cause of all the violence in the past few decades in the balkans.

and that mentality is alive and well..serbs are unwillingly to integrate themselves into any society.

Vladislov, so unless people do as Albanians want them to do they consider it punishment. No wonder you keep saying how harshly you've been treated by Serbs and nothing to back it up with. Obviously you consider Serbia punishing you for not allowing you to steal their territory.

Preseva, you're a moron. Serbs have integrated into society they live in very nicely, for Kosovo was is and will be Serbian. It's your lot who didn't want to integrate into the society so they made so much unrest and started killing policemen in order to separate from the country they live in.
You dare to say that Serbs don't want to integrate when it is your lot who never integrated and always had their own schools and universities paid by Serbian state.

I can't stand liars like you.
Serbs don't have to integrate because they are already in their country, SERBIA.

well the president of Serbia said that the rights of Serbs in Kosovo were being under threat. Are you kidding me. No one can blame the Serbs if they don't want to integrate with the society they are living in. Let me ask this question and can anyone please answer it. What about the Albanians in Presheva. Serbs treat them worst than animals. They have no civil rights what so ever.

Just shows how dumb the Spanish can be. Why should their fears of separatism be used to punish the people of Kosovo

Dardan, you can get off your soapbox now. Everyone has already head all the garbage you state.
Majority of the world don't agree with you and can see how wrong independent Kosovo is and why.

Why do you people always ignore the fact that majority of the world does not believe you and most of the ones who recognized you did it under pressure?
Kosovo Albanians had it all before. Their own universities, their own language etc. but that wasn't enough. Your greed for land grab got the better of most of you, so you were willing to kill even your own to do it.

>>>I live in Spain and I would agree with this:
"If Spain recognized Kosovo it would put itself in a difficult position because of Basque separation ambitions. That's all there is to it."<<<


It's easy to bash the nettle with other's man penis.

Dardan. History as we know it is beutiful because we are able to gather facts and information about all we know and all we see.. Many times unfortunatly, as we see today on the WWW, that information is either banned or controlled... The UN was formed by all sides involved in this story and all sides continue to play the game, we must obey International Law. But there is one law and the government of kosovo disobeyed what they continue to support or wish to support in a false manner, the same happened in prizren in 1876 in 1903 and today.. 192 are recognised by the UN. Serbia is one of those many countries, and 56 of those support this illegal cause, but remember my friend. 136 do not.! That is a vast majority by all ways possible. Population, Economically Etc. By the way BRIC is an upcoming force, which does obey International Law :-) i wish all men peace, by respecting the land they live on and the people they live next to..!!!

I live in Spain and I would agree with this:
"If Spain recognized Kosovo it would put itself in a difficult position because of Basque separation ambitions. That's all there is to it."

The Spanish government is playing a dirty game.

Dear David and Don Corleone,

Why Turkey (Kurdistan), Canada (Quebec), UK (Scotland and Northern Ireland) and other countries have not 'put themselves in difficulty' by recognising the independence of Kosovo? This argument simply does not stand up. In fact by recognising the independence of Kosovo the abovementioned countries proved that there is no connection between Kosovo and their internal politics.

The article says the following: "Moratinos said Spain would continue to apply pressure so that the Netherlands..."

Netherlands is standing up for the arrest of Mladic, the man behind the worst crimes committed in Europe since WW2. Why put pressure on Netherlands? Why not put pressure on Serbia to arrest this person?

Finally, by supporting the Serbian position vis-a-vis Kosovo, Spain is supporting the policies of Milosevic, who was a violent dictator that tried to impose his rule to other nations of southeast Europe. I notice a few parallels with Franco, so I am raising the question: 'Might it be have...'

If Spain recognized Kosovo it would put itself in a difficult position because of Basque separation ambitions. That's all there is to it.

dear sofiaecho,

Can u help me out finding the word "never"...!
The article lacks of professional journalism!

Spain will never recognise Kosovo - big deal - does anyone but the Serbs actually care?

Mr. Dardan, why do you mix different topics?

Spain will never recognize the independence of Kosovo because we have our own issues here with territories who wants to get the independence in an uniteral way, so it would be quite contradictory.

On the other hand, where does it says that Spain is not cooperating with the Hague tribunal?

Our dictatorial past is not a thing of Spain. For your information, the US backed General Franco for a long time, and many other countries in Europe had dictatorial regimes. I wonder from which country you are coming...

Where does your report demonstrate that Zapatero used the word 'never'?

It just shows that your reporting is biased.

Otherwise, shame on Spain for not supporting full cooperation with the Hague tribunal and the apprehension of the biggest war criminal in Europe since WW2. It might have something to do with its bloody dictatorial past.